Could You Date A Transexual?

[karamazovnew]

Short answer? Nope, I couldn't. I've seen a few thais M to F transes that looked gorgeous, but I still couldn't. I'm too much into the idea of babies. I guess my father hormones are starting to kick in.

 

[TheLion]

I'm also still unsure how this proves transsexuality to be a biological function.

Since it occurs in humans, it's a biological function by default.

EDIT:

But it isn't necessarily a genetic condition.

 

[A Curious Fellow]

I'm also still unsure how this proves transsexuality to be a biological function.

Since it occurs in humans, it's a biological function by default.

EDIT:

But it isn't necessarily a genetic condition.

Poor wording on my part. Fixed it.

 

[drisky]

I would encourage you to do further research into genetics, endocrinology, and neurology. What you're trying to say simply doesn't reflect the science of the human body.

"Scientists now know that sex hormones begin to exert their influence during development of the fetus." Sex hormones effecting the brain of a fetus is a proven fact.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

Although its link to transsexuality has not yet been proven, it's the prevailing theory based on autopsies and lack of effect based on social factors makes it seem highly likely to be an in born thing

http://danglingpossibilities.blogspot.com/2009/12/hormone-wash-in-brain.html

That's the science behind it as we know today.

I can give you more as well if you don't think its serious enough also

These are fascinating reads, but with exceptions made for the initial paragraphs, they say little I wasn't already exposed to. Also, if you don't mind me being a stickler about it, I don't see how this contradicts me or makes transsexuality more legitimate. In the first article, the changes to the brains' structure is still being recognized as an effect of the sex of the rest of the body via differences in hormone levels. The second link you provided makes mention of the point at which fetal testosterone levels reach their peak in male utero development. Does that point not overlap with the point at which male development first asserts itself? I'm sure that you're aware that all humans are female during the first period of life before the Y chromosome activates the changes that create males, I'm just not certain if those two periods are one and the same. I'm also still unsure how this proves transsexuality to be a biological function.

Like I said, it doesn't prove it yet but its the prevailing theory. I could get a better one for it.

How does the MtF Transsexual?

Like the normal male embryo, the male to female Transsexual brain starts out female. Then between the 8th and 24th weeks, the ?XY? chromosomes introduce testosterone hormonal changes, but the hormonal washes as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of the default (original) female brain processes remain intact. Thus, the brain?s gender identity remain intact. Thus, the brains gender identity remains female. This means that Transsexual males whose process of brain masculinization was incomplete, Their default female brains still function. The degree of arrested development can vary. The orgininal brain circuitry that was missed in the masculinizing process provides a continuing feminine influence. This explains why many Transsexuals, biological males know, from as early as 3 years old, that they are actually members of the opposite sex.

How does the FtM Transsexual brain develop?

Like the normal female embryo, the female to male Transsexual fetus starts out as a normal female. Then a problem occurs somewhere between the 8th and 24th week. Even though the ?XX? chromosomes have ordered no hormonal washes to take place, testosterone is still introduced. For example: An errant fetal adrenal glad causes testosterone to be produced in great quantities. The fetus is washed with testosterone, against chromosomal orders. The fetal body remains female. However, if the errant wash is strong enough, the female fetus brain is re-wired to think as male. This explains why many Transsexuals, biological males know, from as early as 3 years old, that they are actually members of the opposite sex.

http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm

Opponates of the theory will argue that not enough reaserch has been done. But the ones I'm finding that are fighting it hard are explicitly anti trans sites. They have less validity then wikipedia.

http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/transgender-brain-hormone-wash-not-conclusive-.html

Really it seems to me that scientists know more about gender identify and its causes then they do sexuality, which is general considered to be from birth.

 

[DugMachine]

Reading this thread depresses me. I feel like an ass for not having it in me to date a MtF trans but at the same time I'm mad because fuck you I don't have to be attracted to things because you want me to. I don't find black women attractive, am I racist? No I just don't fucking find them attractive. Nor do I find dudes attractive hence me being straight. I just could not overlook the past of a transgender person. Just like trans people didn't choose the gender they were born with, I can't help the way I think.

Dating aside I could give two shits about your sexual orientation or gender issues as a friend. I have many gay friends and have met transgendered people that are just great people. I will call you by whatever gender you please, hell if you believe you're a fucking potato then i'll call you a potato. But don't expect me to fuck you.

 

[drisky]

Reading this thread depresses me. I feel like an ass for not having it in me to date a MtF trans but at the same time I'm mad because fuck you I don't have to be attracted to things because you want me to. I don't find black women attractive, am I racist? No I just don't fucking find them attractive. Nor do I find dudes attractive hence me being straight. I just could not overlook the past of a transgender person. Just like trans people didn't choose the gender they were born with, I can't help the way I think.

Dating aside I could give two shits about your sexual orientation or gender issues as a friend. I have many gay friends and have met transgendered people that are just great people. I will call you by whatever gender you please, hell if you believe you're a fucking potato then i'll call you a potato. But don't expect me to fuck you.

Then I'll put your mind at ease and tell you shouldn't feel like an ass because of your sexuality. Anyone tells you otherwise are wrong.

 

[an annoyed writer]

I would encourage you to do further research into genetics, endocrinology, and neurology. What you're trying to say simply doesn't reflect the science of the human body.

"Scientists now know that sex hormones begin to exert their influence during development of the fetus." Sex hormones effecting the brain of a fetus is a proven fact.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

Although its link to transsexuality has not yet been proven, it's the prevailing theory based on autopsies and lack of effect based on social factors makes it seem highly likely to be an in born thing

http://danglingpossibilities.blogspot.com/2009/12/hormone-wash-in-brain.html

That's the science behind it as we know today.

I can give you more as well if you don't think its serious enough also

These are fascinating reads, but with exceptions made for the initial paragraphs, they say little I wasn't already exposed to. Also, if you don't mind me being a stickler about it, I don't see how this contradicts me or makes transsexuality more legitimate. In the first article, the changes to the brains' structure is still being recognized as an effect of the sex of the rest of the body via differences in hormone levels. The second link you provided makes mention of the point at which fetal testosterone levels reach their peak in male utero development. Does that point not overlap with the point at which male development first asserts itself? I'm sure that you're aware that all humans are female during the first period of life before the Y chromosome activates the changes that create males, I'm just not certain if those two periods are one and the same. I'm also still unsure how this proves transsexuality to be a biological function.

Like I said, it doesn't prove it yet but its the prevailing theory. I could get a better one for it.

How does the MtF Transsexual?

Like the normal male embryo, the male to female Transsexual brain starts out female. Then between the 8th and 24th weeks, the ?XY? chromosomes introduce testosterone hormonal changes, but the hormonal washes as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of the default (original) female brain processes remain intact. Thus, the brain?s gender identity remain intact. Thus, the brains gender identity remains female. This means that Transsexual males whose process of brain masculinization was incomplete, Their default female brains still function. The degree of arrested development can vary. The orgininal brain circuitry that was missed in the masculinizing process provides a continuing feminine influence. This explains why many Transsexuals, biological males know, from as early as 3 years old, that they are actually members of the opposite sex.

How does the FtM Transsexual brain develop?

Like the normal female embryo, the female to male Transsexual fetus starts out as a normal female. Then a problem occurs somewhere between the 8th and 24th week. Even though the ?XX? chromosomes have ordered no hormonal washes to take place, testosterone is still introduced. For example: An errant fetal adrenal glad causes testosterone to be produced in great quantities. The fetus is washed with testosterone, against chromosomal orders. The fetal body remains female. However, if the errant wash is strong enough, the female fetus brain is re-wired to think as male. This explains why many Transsexuals, biological males know, from as early as 3 years old, that they are actually members of the opposite sex.

http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm

Opponates of the theory will argue that not enough reaserch has been done. But the ones I'm finding that are fighting it hard are explicitly anti trans sites. They have less validity then wikipedia.

http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2012/08/transgender-brain-hormone-wash-not-conclusive-.html

Really it seems to me that scientists know more about gender identify and its causes then they do sexuality, which is general considered to be from birth.

Oh my god thank you! i was looking for those studies to provide to someone that requested them earlier in this thread.

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Fairly interesting.
Can you link me an article or a study regarding this? I'd love to read more on it.

OI! This guy found a couple of the ones that I'd been looking for. Not all of them, but some of them.

Thanks Drisky!

 

[Your Gaffer]

I couldn't at all. I would be too grossed out.

 

[Psykoma]

Reading this thread depresses me. I feel like an ass for not having it in me to date a MtF trans but at the same time I'm mad because fuck you I don't have to be attracted to things because you want me to. I don't find black women attractive, am I racist? No I just don't fucking find them attractive. Nor do I find dudes attractive hence me being straight. I just could not overlook the past of a transgender person. Just like trans people didn't choose the gender they were born with, I can't help the way I think.

Dating aside I could give two shits about your sexual orientation or gender issues as a friend. I have many gay friends and have met transgendered people that are just great people. I will call you by whatever gender you please, hell if you believe you're a fucking potato then i'll call you a potato. But don't expect me to fuck you.

No-one's saying you have to date trans women.

Just in doing so don't say (you didn't, not blaming this on you) that a trans woman isn't a woman.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I dated a hermaphrodite for a while and that was... interesting. in the end we just agreed we were better off as friends but then again we had started as really good friends.

as for someone who changed, I courted one or two. when they told me, I relfected and thought about it and siad id certainly try if they wanted to, but that they should look for love eelse where first because ti would be disrepsectful. int he end, they found someone and it was better for both of us.

but would I? sure why not, if i liked them I would.

 

[The Thinker]

Of course I'd date a transsexual! I'd date pretty much anyone, because my MASSIVELY POWERFUL HETEROSEXUALITY can turn ALMOST-LITERALLY ANYONE into a SMOKING-HOT NATURAL 10 WOMAN! OFFER VOID WHERE PROHIBITED!

(Sorry about the caps-lock. My hetero-powers are run off them.)

[small]I sure hope this doesn't offend anyone. I don't mean to imply that heterosexuality is better than other sexualities, just that I'm better than everyone else and happen to be heterosexual.[/small]

 

[DugMachine]

No-one's saying you have to date trans women.

Just in doing so don't say that a trans woman isn't a woman.

But therein lies the problem. I'm attracted to women, I must accept trans MtF as women so I should have no problem dating them. But I do and that's what has me so upset. Either way i'm screwed.

 

[NardBasket]

I'd be fine with it

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

An open question to those who keep saying they want to have kids: Do you screen ALL your romantic partners for childbearing capacity? My ex has a problem with her uterus. While she's born female and has all the right parts, she can't have kids barring some medical breakthrough. Do you ask people if they're childbearing before you get into a relationship, or is this a trans-only issue?

Yes I do. I really want to raise my own child one day. A child that came from my sperm.
However that is a silly reason to not date a trans individual because one could always use their sperm on another, fertile woman or get one's eggs fertilized by a fertile man. The only issues that would arise would be if one or both parties were uncomfortable with the non-trans partner having sex (or otherwise donating genetic material) with (to) someone else.

I myself would not date a transgendered individual if they would not allow me to say have some other woman inseminated using my sperm. If they were cool with that then I would happily marry/go out with/raise a family with a MtF woman.

And the same situation would apply if my partner was born a woman in both body and mind but had a dysfunctional uterus.

I hope thats coherent. I'm tired and took a lot of medicine that has "drowsiness" as a side effect.

 

[Abomination]

No-one's saying you have to date trans women.

Just in doing so don't say that a trans woman isn't a woman.

But therein lies the problem. I'm attracted to women, I must accept trans MtF as women so I should have no problem dating them. But I do and that's what has me so upset. Either way i'm screwed.

Remember, the only people who get to have opinions or stances about sexual and gender identification are trans-sexual and trans-genders because they are a minority and have been oppressed. If your opinion or stance doesn't mesh with theirs: you are a bigot.

 

[WWmelb]

Would like to add, that while i had a basic understanding of TG (although i still get confused by the MANY different terms for different people, and may inadvertently use the incorrect one with no offense intended) some of the material, and personal insights here have been wonderful to read.

I thank the TG/TS community for being so open with sharing their personal experiences in life.

And to reiterate : Bailey Jay is 100% woman, no matter what, regardless of the genitalia she sports lol.

Anyways, although i was never against the idea of dating a TG/TS, i am grateful for the extra knowledge and insight the people here have imparted.

Hopefully the TG community still interested in this thread, and get my message

 

[rutger5000]

Depends on how he/she dealt with it. Being born with the wrong sex must have been a trauma, and I wouldn't date a depressed person. I probably feel a bit weird about it, but if he/she is happy with who he/she is and if he/she is a fun person to be around. Hey let's give it a shot

Ya i was depressed most of my life, but since beginning transition I am a LOT happier... I am on the right track and finally being who i was supposed to be.

That's great, enjoy being happy it rocks !

 

[jurnag12]

Sure I would, I fail to see why not.

It'd have to be a MtF, though. Seeing as I'm still a straight guy. (And anyone who's gonna go off on a 'but they're still Men!' tangent, bugger off, they ain't.)

 

[game-lover]

I think I could. But they best let me know this beforehand.

Because there will be havoc most fierce if I find this out after we've already been involved and stuff.

For the most part, as long as they look male, then I'm good.

Actually, based on some of the arguments people are giving, this would be especially good for me as I really don't want children. Yay for relatively unprotected sex without a fear of pregnancy!

w00t!!

 

[DudeistBelieve]

From what I understand of that subculture, those ladies wouldn't be very interested in a guy like me.