Cyberpunk 2077 Review thread - Umm....

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
Yeah, think of it similar to being on an open wifi, where you can see other people sharing that same data space. They're public information would likely be pinged to any passive scan from your own implant, whereas more personal data would require literally hacking their personal data, likely in an implant. Basically, whatever you can traditionally do with a computer, assume you can also do it to a person in Cyberpunk, because most of them have enough augmentations to be on par with hardware these days.
You can hack people in the game, and make their parts fuck up. Like someone with robot eyes, you can hack them and make them blind for a little while.
 

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
You can hack their arms too and force them to shoot themselves. You cna also hack their grenades and make them explode on their belt. It's kinda fucking brutal.
Can they hack you back? Defensive/Offensive ICE is a huge component of the Decking aspect of the game, so I'm curious if it goes both ways.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
Can they hack you back? Defensive/Offensive ICE is a huge component of the Decking aspect of the game, so I'm curious if it goes both ways.
Yeah they can hack you back, but not in the same way. Instead they just lock you out of some of your combat abilities and you can't hack other's if you are hacked first.
 
  • Like
Reactions: happyninja42

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
Yeah they can hack you back, but not in the same way. Instead they just lock you out of some of your combat abilities and you can't hack other's if you are hacked first.
How is the cyberspace content? I've yet to see anyone talking about that, but it's always been my favorite part of the Shadowrun/Cyberpunk franchise. And in every iteration, it's an entirely different bit of content, with it's own rules and everything. It IS in the game right? Because seriously like NOBODY seems to be even mentioning it at all in any conversation. Not sure if it's just nobody decided to play a Decker, or what.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
How is the cyberspace content? I've yet to see anyone talking about that, but it's always been my favorite part of the Shadowrun/Cyberpunk franchise. And in every iteration, it's an entirely different bit of content, with it's own rules and everything. It IS in the game right? Because seriously like NOBODY seems to be even mentioning it at all in any conversation. Not sure if it's just nobody decided to play a Decker, or what.
I don't know what you mean by cyberspace content. If you mean some sort of internet aspect then there really isn't one.
 

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
I don't know what you mean by cyberspace content. If you mean some sort of internet aspect then there really isn't one.
Generally speaking, the games have a virtual reality "internet" where all people have virtual avatars, and physically move around in visual representations of data. "Hacking" is presented as activating attack programs, to break through defensive software, and...well, hmm, I'm trying to think of a pop culture example that you might know, seeing as you said scifi isn't your jam. Did you ever see Lawnmower man? The virtual reality there. Uh, I dunno, shit, um, basically any time you've maybe seen something imply people literally.....TRON!! Yes, TRON, have you seen TRON? That would be what the game equivalent of cyberspace would look like.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
No nothing like that.

The hacking is done with your scanner which basically turns your vision into Terminator vision in which you highlight a dude and select a hacking option based on your available RAM. Each hack costs a certain amount of your RAM which slowly regens over time. Once you select a hack, the hack happens after a few seconds and you can go about your day once you select the hack option.

The hack will happen even if you leave your vision without waiting for it to finish. Hacks that are happening are little red meters over your target that fill, once filled the effect of the hack occurs.
 

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
No nothing like that.

The hacking is done with your scanner which basically turns your vision into Terminator vision in which you highlight a dude and select a hacking option based on your available RAM. Each hack costs a certain amount of your RAM which slowly regens over time. Once you select a hack, the hack happens after a few seconds and you can go about your day once you select the hack option.

The hack will happen even if you leave your vision without waiting for it to finish. Hacks that are happening are little red meters over your target that fill, once filled the effect of the hack occurs.
Well fuck, that drastically reduces my desire to actually play this game. :/
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
Well fuck, that drastically reduces my desire to actually play this game. :/
Shrug. Dunno what to tell ya.

The game is more about the world and the stories within more than the actual gameplay. So just depends on if you are down for that.
 

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
Shrug. Dunno what to tell ya.

The game is more about the world and the stories within more than the actual gameplay. So just depends on if you are down for that.
*shrugs* I'll probably get it eventually, but, I mean, this entire genre, one of the driving aspects of it that drew me in as a kid, and ignited my imagination, was the virtual cyberspace stuff. I mean, cybernetic dudes running around with guns, shooting each other or chopping each other? Yeah well, I've played that...like a LOT. So yeah, for me it was seeing how they would incorporate that into a game, and represent it visually. Alas, it's just a Deus Ex variant. Which, is fine I guess, I love Deus Ex, but I was hoping for more from CP2077
 

hanselthecaretaker

My flask is half full
Legacy
Apr 5, 2020
4,824
2,216
118
As someone who played Call of Duty MW and Cold War holy shit are those games not optimized.

Cold War crashes constantly, the MW got less stable with literally every update since they added Warzone. Those games are an absolute shitshow on PC.

Also, I'm sorry that you got sucked into getting the PS4 version of Cyberpunk, but people have been saying for months that the delays were caused by poor optimization on the older consoles so you really should have seen that coming. Also, pre-ordering in general is for suckers. If you buy a product before any reviews are out that's kind of a buyer beware deal.

Mind you I'm not defending the game. I've played for a few hours and am getting serious bethesda vibes from some of the bugs. People clipping through walls, weapons disappearing from people's hands, etc, but again, if you preordered without knowing what you were getting into that's your own fault.
Wondering if I could get a refund of my CW copy if it shows I’ve never played it, even though it was installed.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
*shrugs* I'll probably get it eventually, but, I mean, this entire genre, one of the driving aspects of it that drew me in as a kid, and ignited my imagination, was the virtual cyberspace stuff. I mean, cybernetic dudes running around with guns, shooting each other or chopping each other? Yeah well, I've played that...like a LOT. So yeah, for me it was seeing how they would incorporate that into a game, and represent it visually. Alas, it's just a Deus Ex variant. Which, is fine I guess, I love Deus Ex, but I was hoping for more from CP2077
To be fair, I think the world and the story in this game is presented way better than Deus Ex. Cyberpunk is instantly more believable imo, because it's sci-fi elements are played off as totally normal everyday life which means it doesn't feel like you are in a special world where the tech is all shiny and new. This is a cybpernetic world that has been around for decades already so nobody is all that wow'ed by it.

Maybe i am explaining it wrong but it just has a different feel to it.
 

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
To be fair, I think the world and the story in this game is presented way better than Deus Ex. Cyberpunk is instantly more believable imo, because it's sci-fi elements are played off as totally normal everyday life which means it doesn't feel like you are in a special world where the tech is all shiny and new. This is a cybpernetic world that has been around for decades already so nobody is all that wow'ed by it.

Maybe i am explaining it wrong but it just has a different feel to it.
No I understand what you're saying, I'm just comparing it to DE in that it's still all centered on being HERE. I'm not, jacking in like in The Matrix, where my consciousness is transported to a digitally rendered world, while my body is sitting there, and the rest of my street team is covering me while I'm hacking the archive database to get the information we were paid to steal in the first place. It's all just, meatbag to meatbag I guess.

Hacking is apparently just a progress bar with a cooldown, not it's own literal world, with it's own rules and systems.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Apr 3, 2020
6,229
1,663
118
No I understand what you're saying, I'm just comparing it to DE in that it's still all centered on being HERE. I'm not, jacking in like in The Matrix, where my consciousness is transported to a digitally rendered world, while my body is sitting there, and the rest of my street team is covering me while I'm hacking the archive database to get the information we were paid to steal in the first place. It's all just, meatbag to meatbag I guess.

Hacking is apparently just a progress bar with a cooldown, not it's own literal world, with it's own rules and systems.
I think that would have made for a very different game.
 

hanselthecaretaker

My flask is half full
Legacy
Apr 5, 2020
4,824
2,216
118
Criticizing the character creator for not accounting for every possible gender option is about as moronic ad gamers can get. The game is not about gender politics and gender identity. Be glad that you have as many options as you do. You are not owed any of them. In fact, if this little exercise in stupidity has proven anything, is that if you try to cater to these people, they will simply demand even more. It's never enough and it never will be. And the sad part is that if the game didn't allow you to create a trans character at all, no one would have said a fuckin' thing. It wouldn't even register. The option put the game on the map and painted a target on its back. It just goes to show that you shouldn't listen to political activists when you're designing your game.

One could surmise the same thing has happened IRL too though. Can’t just say the hell with it there, even though the IRL dynamics are exponentially more complicated than a game.
 

Dreiko

Elite Member
Legacy
May 1, 2020
1,803
578
118
CT
Country
usa
Gender
male, pronouns: your majesty/my lord/daddy
Question for those who played the game.

In the game's universe, is there a in-game explanation of the HUD? Like you have a chip or everyone has a chip that can display information to some degree about what or who they are looking at?

Everyone has neural link in their brains. It's basically like your body has a computer inside of it, which has different sorts of firmware that can be installed to it, which interacts with your visual perception among other things, and also makes it possible to "hack people" in a sense.

Yeah you get an eye implant in like the first or second mission of the game, which gives you the enhanced vision.
Nah the eyeball implants are just enhancements to the base hud you always see (that thing that describes your health state and so on) I dunno if it differs in other paths but in the corpo path you start out with the arasaka firmware which already lets you have a partial hud, and when you get the eyeballs that hud gets better with letting you see things like recoil and bullet counts and so on, so the hud is actually just a thing neural link does.


Ok.

So, information about who you're looking at is literally beamed into your eyes. From some kind of a registry or something, right?

Which would actually be somewhat Immersion Building

"Hey, listen. I'm not taking orders from hi... *NPC looks at your character* Her. All this information she's broadcasting could be easily made up by a Decker."
The info about who the person is is exchanged kinda like a streetpass in your 3ds, your neural link communicates with theirs. Some people who have high status can, for example, have a block on the display of their criminal record that you need clearance to access, while lowlifes on wanted lists have it visible. I "believe" that this is something you purchase the use of, but most people can't afford it, much like health care.
 
Last edited:

happyninja42

Elite Member
Legacy
May 7, 2020
8,577
2,906
118
I think that would have made for a very different game.
Yes, that's exactly my point, THAT was the game I wanted to have access to, hence why I am now less inclined to want to play CP2077. Seeing as it lacks the very aspect of the franchise that I find most compelling.
 

Dreiko

Elite Member
Legacy
May 1, 2020
1,803
578
118
CT
Country
usa
Gender
male, pronouns: your majesty/my lord/daddy
Generally speaking, the games have a virtual reality "internet" where all people have virtual avatars, and physically move around in visual representations of data. "Hacking" is presented as activating attack programs, to break through defensive software, and...well, hmm, I'm trying to think of a pop culture example that you might know, seeing as you said scifi isn't your jam. Did you ever see Lawnmower man? The virtual reality there. Uh, I dunno, shit, um, basically any time you've maybe seen something imply people literally.....TRON!! Yes, TRON, have you seen TRON? That would be what the game equivalent of cyberspace would look like.

I think what you're describing comes later. Based on some codex I read, this game's internet is a lawless hellhole of demons (viruses) that netrunners control. The normal people can only access corporate-approved intra-net with only a handful of sites. There is tales of the virtual net you speak of, and tales of what happened there in the past. I think later on in the game you may get to see such a thing but super early on you're just struggling to not die from day to day and it's not exactly easy to find a way to get into the actual internet because everything is controlled by the corporations. You first have to up your street cred enough to be accepted by the high up criminals that can actually get you on the internet, which takes a while.


Based on the codex, you need to freeze yourself or enter in some sort of freezing suit to be able to transport your consciousness to the internet, and there is footage of a bathub of ice in a trailer, so there definitely will be some sort of thing like that. Also, the gunplay tutorial takes place in virtual reality, and there's this other thing called braindance which is kinda like a virtual reality record of someone's life you can relive, sensory experience and all, that people use to make movies and porn with and so on, so there's various sorts of cyberspace style experiences.



(see, I told ya I spent most of my playtime just reading EVERYTHING the game throws as you XD)
 
  • Like
Reactions: happyninja42