Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

[JaceArveduin]

People like him are the reason it's hard for me to have nice things >.<" So yeah, fry his ass, roast his remains, and throw it in the garbage. And find out why he did it, cause I'm curious.

Oh, and the only trouble with the law he'd had was a speeding ticket a few years ago* The police chief mentioned it during his speech thingy.

And I'd just like to point out that trying to disarm America would likely be a logistical nightmare.

 

[Trishbot]

Now this is an interesting idea ...

According to CNN, the shooter pretended to be the Joker.

I heard. The police confirmed he claimed to be The Joker.

I predict a lot more finger pointing, blame-throwing, and public backlash against whatever is the easiest scapegoat for campaigning politicians to get behind to emerge very soon.

 

[Shjade]

Damn. I mean what the hell. Also Obama what the hell are you talking about?

Election year. Has to give the appearance that he's in touch with the little people, has a human heart like the rest of us, etc. Pretty standard campaign stuff.

 

[OniaPL]

All this gun control debate going on in this thread is making me sing "America! Fuck Yeah!" in my head, lol.

OT:
Someone went nuts again and shot some people, and it's terrible, we've lost faith in humanity and we are utterly shocked that it happened and so forth,but why did they cancel the showing in France? That just makes no sense.

I also intend to publish my theory soon this was all orchestrated by the marketing department! There's nothing people love more than a car crash or a handful of dead bodies.

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

I know its unavoidable, but a discussion on gun control is irrelevant here. The relevant fact is that guns are legal in America, which begs the question "Why the hell didn't anyone at the theater have one."

There is no way a one guy should be able to kill 12 people, unless hes Batman, or a Navy Seal. And I wouldn't bet on a navy seal vs 12 armed civilians in a strait up fire fight.

 

[Scrythe]

I know its unavoidable, but a discussion on gun control is irrelevant here. The relevant fact is that guns are legal in America, which begs the question "Why the hell didn't anyone at the theater have one."

There is no way a one guy should be able to kill 12 people, unless hes Batman, or a Navy Seal. And I wouldn't bet on a navy seal vs 12 armed civilians in a strait up fire fight.

Unless this part of Colorado was very similar to, say, downtown L.A., I doubt that anyone had the frame of mind to bring a pistol with them "just in case".

I have a friend of mine in Nevada (open carry state) who takes his pistol with him everywhere, and even he keeps it in his car when going to a movie, mostly so he doesn't get hassled from casino security,

 

[eventhorizon525]

I know its unavoidable, but a discussion on gun control is irrelevant here. The relevant fact is that guns are legal in America, which begs the question "Why the hell didn't anyone at the theater have one."

There is no way a one guy should be able to kill 12 people, unless hes Batman, or a Navy Seal. And I wouldn't bet on a navy seal vs 12 armed civilians in a strait up fire fight.

Actually, the psycho had pretty much every advantage possible on the people in the theater. Body armor, gas mask, used tear gas, was armed with more than anyone in the right mind would ever carry, and didn't have to worry about hitting any friendlies, because everyone in there was a target.

Honestly, I doubt someone with a gun would have been able to do too much. He/she would be shooting into a a theater that was panicing, in the dark, while also dealing with gas.

Furthermore, as someone mentioned earlier, if there were multiple sane people with guns in the theater, what are the chances, after they've all jumped up and pulled out their weapons upon realizing the situation, that none of them will be trigger happy and shoot at the other sane people with guns that were trying to help? No one had a real sense of what was going on based on what I've read about the event.

 

[DocBot]

I know its unavoidable, but a discussion on gun control is irrelevant here. The relevant fact is that guns are legal in America, which begs the question "Why the hell didn't anyone at the theater have one."

There is no way a one guy should be able to kill 12 people, unless hes Batman, or a Navy Seal. And I wouldn't bet on a navy seal vs 12 armed civilians in a strait up fire fight.

I kinda agree, the LEGAL open carry in alot of states is silly. And, it follows the same argument as gun control (but on a smaller scale) "If you make guns illegal then only criminals will have them."

If you make having a round in the chamber illegal (or a clip in a gun at all) then only criminals will have a round in the chamber (like this guy). The fact is owning a gun that you take in public gets you alot of odd looks and frisked by cops alot more. To the point a ton of gun owners see point in carrying one, or they find it more of a burden to carry it around than just leave it at home.

Also, this guy had a rifle, a freaking RIFLE! I don't care if dismantle it and put it together in the theater where its dark, it should have been checked. And, if he played it off as a prop the staff should have checked it. Don't have competent enough staff to check for this stuff? Then don't allow props. It seems harsh to say, and I don't like that someone can do this, but if people checked bags and props like they do at very large gatherings (sporting events and fandom conventions come to mind) this would have been stopped.

 

[medv4380]

*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...
...
I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

The only thing strict gun control laws do is disarm LAW FOLLOWING CITIZENS.
IF a crazy person or a scum bag wants a weapon, they-will-find-a-way-to-get-it.

NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T DO CRAP LIKE THIS.
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

CO has some of the most Gun Friendly Laws for Concealed Carry.
If anyone in the audience was armed they did the smart thing and stayed down. The last thing needed was for someone to be shooting blindly in a DARK, CROWDED, THEATER. Talk about being a Nimrod and a Maroon.

 

[antipunt]

Was listening to this on NPR

the interesting thing about this is actually the video game-violence parallel (or lack thereof). People were wondering about how the movie industry was affecting 'actions like these'. for example, since Bane was dressed in a mask and promoted terrorism (like blowing up the stadium in the trailer).

It reminds me of people who complain that video games (like GTA or Call of Duty) 'prepares people' to do similar acts or whatever. And that of course brings up the : "what do you want to do CENSOR EVERYTHING?!" and the 'catharsis argument' (which I'm actually a proponent of).

Anyways, scary stuff. Sadness

 

[1nfinite_Cros5]

What a mess. My sympathies to the poor people who didn't make it.

Also, something surreal for me. Being a regular poster on GameFAQs, a moderator on that site attended the same screening and just barely escaped.

 

[worldruler8]

I know its unavoidable, but a discussion on gun control is irrelevant here. The relevant fact is that guns are legal in America, which begs the question "Why the hell didn't anyone at the theater have one."

There is no way a one guy should be able to kill 12 people, unless hes Batman, or a Navy Seal. And I wouldn't bet on a navy seal vs 12 armed civilians in a strait up fire fight.

I kinda agree, the LEGAL open carry in alot of states is silly. And, it follows the same argument as gun control (but on a smaller scale) "If you make guns illegal then only criminals will have them."

If you make having a round in the chamber illegal (or a clip in a gun at all) then only criminals will have a round in the chamber (like this guy). The fact is owning a gun that you take in public gets you alot of odd looks and frisked by cops alot more. To the point a ton of gun owners see point in carrying one, or they find it more of a burden to carry it around than just leave it at home.

Also, this guy had a rifle, a freaking RIFLE! I don't care if dismantle it and put it together in the theater where its dark, it should have been checked. And, if he played it off as a prop the staff should have checked it. Don't have competent enough staff to check for this stuff? Then don't allow props. It seems harsh to say, and I don't like that someone can do this, but if people checked bags and props like they do at very large gatherings (sporting events and fandom conventions come to mind) this would have been stopped.

Not sure if you missed it, but he didn't go through the front. He kicked the fire exit down. This made it worse, since people made a mad dash to the door, and he gunned them down. The movie theater most likely had a way of making sure concealed weapons are not allowed. I know they changed it so that no one with costumes can enter the theater. As for the gun control, well, you have to realize that banning weapons outright would be political suicide. Besides, he didn't have 1911's or some other small arm, he had military-grade weapons. (which were bought legally, apparently. Which begs the question, how did he get tactical body armor and weapons? where? with what money? He was still in college!). But really, this isn't a case of gun control en masse, but with more gun control for mentally unstable.

 

[Tiamat666]

Meanwhile, I feel quite happy knowing that I live in Europe, a land where not every nuthead can go to the next convenience store and arm himself with deadly weapons. Thank you very much.

No, just the extremely determined nutheads who enjoy a target-rich environment. Or did we forget Norway already?

You don't seem to know about how to purchase guns in the US, so it might be a bad idea to comment as though you do. Until you can cite our gun laws, maybe you don't know enough to complain about them.

All of this to say: Why are you people bitching and moaning about HOW this guy killed people? Why are you turning this tragedy into your personal political soapbox and pissing on their memories before they're even cold and in the ground?

Seriously. If he didn't have guns, he'd just use some homemade explosives. If he didn't have those, he'd start a big fire. Barring that, knives, swords, and axes. None of those? He'll use a goddamned rock.

A sick, crazy asshole murdered people and injured dozens of others. This event does not reveal or comment on anything about America, movie or comic or gaming culture, guns or laws, or any of that. This just shows on how sick some human beings are.

Well, you do have to go that extra mile to produce homemade explosives. And fire and rocks are not nearly as deadly as firearms.
if you look at the [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate"]list of countries by homicide rate[/a] you will find the U.S. at 5.3 per 100k population in good company among third world and developing countries. The civilized world, Germany, Spain, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, also Norway, are all below 1.0 The highest, west european country is the UK at 1.23, still less than one fourth the U.S. figure.
Your liberal gun laws don't seem to be doing a good job at protecting you.
I don't know, draw your own conclusions.

 

[scrambledeggs]

Only in America....

Who said that legalising the purchase of guns didn't cause harm?

This would never happen in Australia, even if a deluded 24 year old did believe he was an evil villain, because he simply couldn't get a hold of a gun without extreme difficulty.

 

[iblis666]

Meanwhile, I feel quite happy knowing that I live in Europe, a land where not every nuthead can go to the next convenience store and arm himself with deadly weapons. Thank you very much.

No, just the extremely determined nutheads who enjoy a target-rich environment. Or did we forget Norway already?

You don't seem to know about how to purchase guns in the US, so it might be a bad idea to comment as though you do. Until you can cite our gun laws, maybe you don't know enough to complain about them.

All of this to say: Why are you people bitching and moaning about HOW this guy killed people? Why are you turning this tragedy into your personal political soapbox and pissing on their memories before they're even cold and in the ground?

Seriously. If he didn't have guns, he'd just use some homemade explosives. If he didn't have those, he'd start a big fire. Barring that, knives, swords, and axes. None of those? He'll use a goddamned rock.

A sick, crazy asshole murdered people and injured dozens of others. This event does not reveal or comment on anything about America, movie or comic or gaming culture, guns or laws, or any of that. This just shows on how sick some human beings are.

Well, you do have to go that extra mile to produce homemade explosives. And fire and rocks are not nearly as deadly as firearms.
if you look at the [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate"]list of countries by homicide rate[/a] you will find the U.S. at 5.3 per 100k population in good company among third world and developing countries. The civilized world, Germany, Spain, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, also Norway, are all below 1.0 The highest, west european country is the UK at 1.23, still less than one fourth the U.S. figure.
Your liberal gun laws don't seem to be doing a good job at protecting you.
I don't know, draw your own conclusions.

based on the fact that he booby trapped his apartment with a bunch of as the police call them "sophisticated explosives" and had gas canisters that he tossed into the crowed, the fact he had guns may have saved more lives than he took since either way he was going to take lives.

I mean just think what damage this freak could have done if he decided to start blowing stuff up instead of shooting people we could have had 71 dead and not 12.

 

[Dastardly]

The civilized world, Germany, Spain, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, also Norway, are all below 1.0 The highest, west european country is the UK at 1.23, still less than one fourth the U.S. figure.

Your liberal gun laws don't seem to be doing a good job at protecting you.
I don't know, draw your own conclusions.

You're assuming that the difference in crime statistics is entirely (or even mostly) dependent on one variable. You're ignoring thousands of other variables that impact things like this, such as:

- Historical/Cultural background (The World Wars, for instance, had a big impact on the availability of guns and legal attitudes toward them)

- Ethnic/Racial Homogeneity versus Heterogeneity (Look at how many different races, ethnicities, religions, cultures, socioeconomic statuses, and political views we have on one city block... and then count all the black/brown people you can find in Norway.)

- Geographical area under single governance. Imagine one federal government trying to rule pretty much all of Europe. Think there'd be some more tension, and maybe some resources spread a little thin?

I mean, hey, I'm not trying to explain away the higher violent crime rate. I'm simply saying there are way, waaaaaay more causes to look at than just blaming one particular tool.

 

[Calbeck]

The guy had riot gear, tear gas, bombs (one of which was in the theater, though it did not detonate), and wired his own frigging apartment to explode. THEN SURRENDERS TO POLICE and TELLS THEM about the bombs.

Oh and also, called himself "Joker".

Yeah. This is a guy who wanted to get national attention. Expect a speech or some crap at his trial, and probably a media event to declare his reasons to the press as soon as he can get access to some schlub with a camera and microphone.


EDIT: Also, anyone who says this could all have been avoided if only we had a total ban on firearms is an idiot.

He also got himself a full kit of SWAT-level gear and explosives powerful enough to supposedly level his apartment building. A total gun ban wouldn't have stopped any of that. Not to mention his clean prior criminal record and lack of mental-illness history, so merely increasing gun regulation wouldn't have stopped him either.

Finally, America has a huge smuggling problem and some of the most porous borders in the world. You can get guns of the type he used from many of the same gangs who deal in crack cocaine, cheaper than you would over-the-counter at a gun shop without all that pesky federal paperwork. Plus at last check, some 20% of firearms recovered in the aftermath of violent crimes were stolen from federal and police arsenals --- meaning you'd have to disarm the cops and military to effect a total ban.

 

[Calbeck]

Only in America....

Who said that legalising the purchase of guns didn't cause harm?

This would never happen in Australia, even if a deluded 24 year old did believe he was an evil villain, because he simply couldn't get a hold of a gun without extreme difficulty.

No, he'd have just wired his apartment with sophisticated explosives and then not be nice enough to tell the cops before blowing out the entire building and everyone inside, likely achieving roughly the same kill count.

But hey, at least guns wouldn't've been involved. So much better!

captcha: charmed life

EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot Breivik. ONLY IN NORWAY AMIRITE

EDITEDIT: Whoops! Forgot Australia's Port Arthur shooting! Thirty-five dead there, as opposed to the twelve killed here. But it couldn't have happened because Australia isn't America... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29