Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

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Nalgas D. Lemur said:
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They've got it all wrong, it's not the size that matters but the quality of the jiggle physics. They need to innovate in that space instead.
They should take notes from this. I don't think it's possible to top it for sheer absurdity in either size or jiggliness. People have done extended analyses of it trying to work out the physics involved and come to all sorts of crazy conclusions.

That looks fucking hilarious where the play button is at the start I don't know if you've noticed.

OT: No Team Ninja giant tits not why I buy your games. Just make Ninja Gaiden difficult again and keep making a solid fighting game with DoA but next time drop the fucking bullshit boss mm'kay?
 

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Wow, a lot of people failed comprehension in this thread. The guy never said that big boobs and jiggle physics make DOA5 a good game, or that Ninja Gaiden 3 was a bad game because it didn't have enough of those specific things. He's saying that listening to the higher ups or focus groups in order to appeal to a larger audience isn't the best way to make a game that appeals to your core fans.

He's basically the anti-Bioware. I couldn't agree with him more.
 

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FieryTrainwreck said:
Wow, a lot of people failed comprehension in this thread. The guy never said that big boobs and jiggle physics make DOA5 a good game, or that Ninja Gaiden 3 was a bad game because it didn't have enough of those specific things. He's saying that listening to the higher ups or focus groups in order to appeal to a larger audience isn't the best way to make a game that appeals to your core fans.

He's basically the anti-Bioware. I couldn't agree with him more.

How many of those core fans who want bigger breasts are reliant on Mummy and Daddy giving them the money to buy the games. The demographic which the whole jiggle physics appeal to, are not the ones with an independent income. No point appealing to the core fans if in the process you annoy the mother who controls the purse strings.
 

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albino boo said:
How many of those core fans who want bigger breasts are reliant on Mummy and Daddy giving them the money to buy the games. The demographic which the whole jiggle physics appeal to, are not the ones with an independent income. No point appealing to the core fans if in the process you annoy the mother who controls the purse strings.
I'm not sure how you can be both a core fan (i.e. someone who has played and enjoyed multiple previous entries) of a 10+ year old gaming series and someone who relies entirely on mom's discretion for your gaming purchases. The timeline makes no sense.
 

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While this whole "We want bigger breasts!" thing is pretty retardet, it's kinda nice to see a developer who tries to satisfy the fans of the series before he tries to get new fans.
Would have done a lot good, if a developer like Bioware would be like this.
 

The Lunatic

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Ya know, there's this thing called Porn.

Couldn't people just go look at that?

I mean, sure, there's porn games, and all that.


But, would a tiny bit of respectability really hurt?

I know it's a very Japanese thing to depict women as walking jiggle physics, but, maybe a bit of effort to not be horrible offensive to women at some stage, might make you seem like a more respectable and professional business?


Nah, fuck it, more tits.
 

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matthew_lane said:
albino boo said:
FieryTrainwreck said:
Wow, a lot of people failed comprehension in this thread. The guy never said that big boobs and jiggle physics make DOA5 a good game, or that Ninja Gaiden 3 was a bad game because it didn't have enough of those specific things. He's saying that listening to the higher ups or focus groups in order to appeal to a larger audience isn't the best way to make a game that appeals to your core fans.

He's basically the anti-Bioware. I couldn't agree with him more.

How many of those core fans who want bigger breasts are reliant on Mummy and Daddy giving them the money to buy the games. The demographic which the whole jiggle physics appeal to, are not the ones with an independent income. No point appealing to the core fans if in the process you annoy the mother who controls the purse strings.
Actually recent studies have shown that the majority of gamers are in there late 20's to early 40s. So they would be the ones with the independent income.

As a 40 year old gamer I can tell you for free, jiggle physics and larger breasts are not selling points to me. I am on my second marriage and I see naked breasts (briefly) every day. The demographic that is interested in jiggle physics is the demographic that is under 20, doesn't have a credit card for access to porn and has limited privacy to engage in sex.
FieryTrainwreck said:
I'm not sure how you can be both a core fan (i.e. someone who has played and enjoyed multiple previous entries) of a 10+ year old gaming series and someone who relies entirely on mom's discretion for your gaming purchases. The timeline makes no sense.
If you were 8 when dead or alive 3 came out you would only be 19 now. You can follow a game series for 11 years and still be under 20.
 

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Tenmar said:
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<.> they're already absurdly large as it is... any bigger and its just silly... also, impossible to get off to...<.<
Actually if you consider the evolution of the DOA series, the breast size has actually not only been reduced but also become more realistic. Do note that that if you look at the PS1 version and turn on the breast jiggle it would be wildly out of control. It's a good fighting game and I'm glad they stand by their fans and enjoy that it is a video game where they have creative control.

If anything if we really wanna talk about the whole sexism issue. The one big argument I keep seeing is that the people who bring up the issue always wants everything to be super realistic. I find this to be quite sad because the downside of going 100% realistic is that it sucks away all the creativity and imagination out of people. Because when you get right to the heart of it all they want is to have the games designed their way and not the way of the designer. We wouldn't have any artistic styles used and everything would have to be even if an art style of exaggeration was used to have characters be "proportionate". I'm sorry but I have to see that every day. I mean the only exaggeration I get to see is the 300lbs woman and man walking down the street and I'd much rather appreciate the jiggle from the DOA girls than the jiggle from obese people.
I guess I'm just not getting out enough then, or talk to any females.

My complaint would only be that I don't know if there's a counterpoint to DOA's juggle fest. Maybe beyond good and evil. Iunno. I just wish to see proportionate characters, or characters that are characters beyond some tropes, even if they are made of different tropes altogether.

Besides, it's more of a fetish for me to see a proportionate lady than one where melons were were nailed to them.
 

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This dude deserves all the praise we can throw at him. You know how long I've been waiting for someone in the industry to finally recognise that the core fans come first long before anything else when creating a game? Because I've forgotten... But I do know it's been a while.

What almost everyone seems to regularly miss, and has done so again this time, is that you don't have to like the product in question. No seriously, hear me out. So you don't like DOA because it has tits. Big whoop. You know who cares about that? You. That's pretty much it. Do the developers care? No. Wanna know why? Because in this case they're paying attention to the most important party, the fanbase. You know, the people who give them the money to stay in business. So long as they make the product those fans want the opinions of people who don't buy the game and have no influence over the game are irrelevant.
So, you might counter this argument with "But it mires public opinion of gamers!" to which I will answer, so does the entire fighting genre. So does the entire RPG genre, so does the entire shooting genre for that matter. In fact, gaming mires the public perception of gamers. Being a gamer will continue to be considered fringe, probably for the rest of time, so just get used to it.
Is it sexist? Possibly, depends on your stance. Personally I find the in-game characters slightly unrealistic, but asides that it's just kinda there, I play the games for the fighting. There will come a point at which boobs are made so large they might actually impact on gameplay and we may be at that point, I don't think we have, but who knows? Regardless it is what the fanbase wants apparently. Now, what does my argument boil down to? Get the fuck over it. There's more important shit to be worrying about and there's more offensive shit to be offended by, just be happy there are people out there willing to listen to their fans before they listen to executives and people complaining at the front gate who had no intention of buying or playing the product in the first place. And as a side note, try not to make blanket assumptions about a fanbase. The game has several attractions, much like most games. In this case breasts are just one of them, strive to bare that in mind.
(Yes I do consider myself a bit of a fan of the franchise, yes I am bitter at being lumped in with assumed the "Dem sexist man-children who like big boobies cause they don't have a girlfriend" demographic)

Rant has now concluded.
 

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And here we are again with the ignorance... every other media ranges in all matters of absurdity and sexuality, but how dare someone bring that to games!

If you want to have an undeveloped medium then you are on the right path.
 

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So, just popping in to say/reiterate: I think the main issue here is not the large breasts, but that, as suggested by "to tone down the sexiness of the game, and of the characters," and "If you have a solid fighting game system there, there's nothing wrong with having beautiful characters as a layer on top of that", large breasts are synonymous with sexy and beautiful. That without them you don't have characters that are as sexy and or beautiful.
That's really not the case.

Also:
Nalgas D. Lemur said:
There are not words.
 

blackrave

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Please specify what "a lot" means?
100k is a lot
but it can be 95% or 10% of all player base
So you can't make assumption based only on a "a lot"
 

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Tippy said:
Most fans playing at home (or in arcades) are NOT concentrating on the sexy females as much as they are concentrating on playing the actual game, i.e. NOT DYING and WINNING.

Which is how I almost ended up playing Bayonetta in front of a group of 8 year olds. When you see someone's clothes fly off in that game, you don't start drooling, you check the health bars at the bottom of the screen to see how much damage that last special move did and if you need to adjust your strategy.

On-Topic: Just stop. If you want people to take your game seriously, stop. Tekken has boxing kangaroos and it's less of a laughing stock than DoA.
 

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l3o2828 said:
How about instead of making bigger breasts we just take more clothes off of Eliot?
I'm sure that wont spark as high of a media rage as this.
Eliot needs bigger boobage the most. He's totally flat!
 

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I wish Dead Or Alive and Team Ninja would go die in a fire.
This and Call Of Duty represent all the bad things about gaming culture.