Could be worse.
Could be Star Wars.
Democrats already proposing austerity before DNC even ends
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Could be Star Wars.
Why's that? Plenty of literature has been written as an exploration of humanity in many aspects, including morality.
Oh right, I had forgotten that Biden did it himself.
I am 99% certain that was written by a young pop culture liberal staffer.
And if we're going to go that route anyway, I want Marianne Williamson in full Sailor Moon costume debating Trump.
People really need to figure out who and what Lincoln Project is.
Sure. But at least let's aim at Homer, Dostoyevsky, Cervantes, Camus, etc.
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Eh... I mean to be honest I think it's a bit pretentious to claim that those works hold more value just because they're considered classics, that's not to say they're bad but to claim that that it holds more value to discuss them than modern fantasy pop-literature does seem like unnecessary elitism, surely all literary works can be used for the purposes of the discussion, and the value of discussing pop media in these kinds of discussions is that more people would understand it than a discussion of classic literature.
Having read all those authors (except Cervantes), and having read a vast amount of science fiction and fantasy, I am confident in saying that there is a substantial gulf in terms of insight into the human condition. The great, classic authors are great, classic authors for a reason: they have very deep insights.
Most genre literature is almost inherently mediocre. Some genre literature is really good - I suspect someone like the crime author PD James provides some of the best portraits of humanity you'll find. However, one of the main problems of SF&F is that the intent of the story is often not about its characters. SF is frequently about science and technology, and fantasy is about the imaginative creation of an alternative reality. In both cases, the examination of character and the nature of humanity can tend to be relegated to a lesser concern.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this, however the fact of the matter is quite simple, this pop-literature has a wider reaching audience, as such more people will be familiar with it and therefore able to both participate and understand the discussion.
A nuanced discussion of a simpler less nuanced work of literature, is better than no discussion at all, and if it helps people understand the topic a bit better I fail to see any issue with it being used over classic literature, of course that doesn't mean that a classic literature discussion cannot happen at the same time, it's just likely to have less participants or participants that are less familiar with what is currently being discussed.
It's part of the reason I love things like the movie RoboCop, while it's criticisms of capitalism, policing, corporate culture, power structures, etc aren't the deepest or more nuanced around, and you can definitely find other media that better communicates it's themes, it's far easier to find someone that has seen RoboCop, thinks it's cool and therefore will be more receptive to hear and participate in a discussion of what it's themes are.
So what I'm saying is that you're more than welcome to start discussing those authors and their literary works and how they relate to the discussion at hand, instead of criticising people for choosing to discuss The Witcher because they've actually read that.
A bunch of war criminals from the Bush administration trying to rehabilitate the image of the Republican party (sans Trump) in the eyes of liberals? Or conquer the Democratic Party for Republicans?
Or a bunch of self-important jerks making an attack campaign for an election they aren't running in for the sake of masturbating their own egos.
Seth Rogen has more in common with William Shakespeare than Martin Scorsese, and the title of his most famous comedy is linguistically closer to WAP than literally anything contemporary readers parse the title as. Yet despite this, the only people really making classical literature references in the context of classical literature, seem to have a lot of overlap with those who get "Do U wNaT tRUMP 2 WiN?".