Democrats already proposing austerity before DNC even ends

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Destiny:

Destiny: ACA was the most we could get under Obama due to Congress.

Nope you could have invoked budget reconciliation and used 50 votes plus the vice president to pass public option or got rid of the filibuster

Destiny: Executive orders are all that you can do

Nope, a president has wide discretion to do foreign policy, and not invade Libya and help Saudis in Yemen massacre the civilians thereby refueling their strike craft.

So already Destiny being Destiny is a liar

Biden mental state, I actually agree with Destiny, Biden’s mental state from my analysis is bad without meds, and good with meds, of course, I am just assuming he uses meds and isn’t just randomly good at some debates but bad at others.

Destiny: Biden wants to get a public option

LOL

Destiny: Biden Admin is the most progressive

FDR

Biden is pro-union

Right the person who served in an administration where union membership continued to decline and didn’t force his bosses’ hand in doing anything about it. He could have left.

Destiny: American don’t care about foreign policy

Around 30% do care according to various FP polls and vote on it

Biden wrote the Patriot Act, That’s true, and I haven’t even mentioned it.
Why are you watching an hour and a half soy boy debate? What do you think you’ll actually fucking prove? It’s like if I asked every liberal to read Stirner, and then one of them actually did it to spite me. I wouldn’t actually care.
 
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Why are you watching an hour and a half soy boy debate? What do you think you’ll actually fucking prove? It’s like if I asked every liberal to read Stirner, and then one of them actually did it to spite me. I wouldn’t actually care.
I was bored and wanted more ammunition from Kim to attack Biden on.

Also, I only watched 1 hour 15 minutes, questions I didn't care for.
 

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Why are you watching an hour and a half soy boy debate? What do you think you’ll actually fucking prove? It’s like if I asked every liberal to read Stirner, and then one of them actually did it to spite me. I wouldn’t actually care.
On what level of spook are we operating on?
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Yeah and most people already fucking vote so maybe advocate for something that’ll actually make a difference rather than perpetuating this circle jerk.
Not really, voter turn out tends to be rather low, I mean technically most people do vote, but its still only 55% and that is for presidential elections. Its usually lower for midterms and much lower for local/state elections.
 

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I love the irony that someone quotes that line and makes it seem all important and legit, when the books (and arguably the show) is all about how Geralt is wrong. He constantly has to choose which evil he throws in with and often has to make uncomfortable decisions because even while all evil is the same, you can't go about your life trying to avoid engaging with it. When Geralt tried to stay out, to let Evil be Evil he ended up killing innocent people and getting the moniker Butcher of Blaviken.

One of the core points of the Witcher books is that evil is all around us, that the world is shit and you can't do a real dent against evil. But you have to try anyway, you have to align with the lesser evils to fight the big ones, you have to engage with the world and try to do something because the alternative will always be worse.
So what you're saying is that we have to ally with Iran against the Great Satan? OK.
 

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Yeah and most people already fucking vote so maybe advocate for something that’ll actually make a difference rather than perpetuating this circle jerk.
Half this country's population of eligible voting age doesn't vote. That's a flexible definition of most. I'm angry too, dude, but I actually regret when I take it out on other people.

I love the irony that someone quotes that line and makes it seem all important and legit, when the books (and arguably the show) is all about how Geralt is wrong. He constantly has to choose which evil he throws in with and often has to make uncomfortable decisions because even while all evil is the same, you can't go about your life trying to avoid engaging with it. When Geralt tried to stay out, to let Evil be Evil he ended up killing innocent people and getting the moniker Butcher of Blaviken.

One of the core points of the Witcher books is that evil is all around us, that the world is shit and you can't do a real dent against evil. But you have to try anyway, you have to align with the lesser evils to fight the big ones, you have to engage with the world and try to do something because the alternative will always be worse.
Sadly, I don't think most people engage with media so much as they consume. Case in point:

So what you're saying is that we have to ally with Iran against the Great Satan? OK.
 

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Also consider that if you can sum up your world view in out-of-context memes and slogans, you may not be that deep a thinker.
 
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More like: Understand the media you decide to quote. If you want to use quotes from books understand what the quote means within the context of the narrative.
One can describe their worldview as like some character irrespective of the larger work that surrounds that character because there is no particular reason a character in a work shouldn't have a more reasonable position than that advanced by the work itself. Finding some phrases that summarize one's view on a particular question is not an indication of shallowness. That you and Buyetyen are looking for a reason to be dismissive doesn't change that.
 

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One can describe their worldview as like some character irrespective of the larger work that surrounds that character because there is no particular reason a character in a work shouldn't have a more reasonable position than that advanced by the work itself. Finding some phrases that summarize one's view on a particular question is not an indication of shallowness. That you and Buyetyen are looking for a reason to be dismissive doesn't change that.
Counterpoint: if your world view can be contained in a meme, you didn't put enough thought into it.

Also, when you miss the point of the media you're quoting, the people who did get it are going to see you as less credible.
 

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Counterpoint: if your world view can be contained in a meme, you didn't put enough thought into it.
Liberal fetishization of complexity even about very narrow questions such as how one should treat the idea of tactical voting will never cease to be amusing.
 

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Ok, I totally disagree with the idea that a lesser evil isn't obviously preferable to a greater one, and missing the context of the quote isn't ideal, but, eh, the idea is more important than the fictional circumstances of the fictional character that said it.
 
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One of the core points of the Witcher books is that evil is all around us, that the world is shit and you can't do a real dent against evil. But you have to try anyway, you have to align with the lesser evils to fight the big ones, you have to engage with the world and try to do something because the alternative will always be worse.
It's also that the distinction between "lesser" and "greater" evil is rarely clear, evil is deceptive and a self-fulfilling prophecy that begets more evil, hasty action in the face of incomplete information leads to tragedy, and people don't make the choice consciously but have it forced upon them.

Or did you forget the "innocent people" Geralt killed and for whose deaths he earned his title, were the ones responsible for the Tridam ultimatum to begin with?
 
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Liberal fetishization of complexity even about very narrow questions such as how one should treat the idea of tactical voting will never cease to be amusing.
Many people mistake shallowness for simplicity or elegance. I've made that mistake too. Anyone who claims not to have is a liar.

Ok, I totally disagree with the idea that a lesser evil isn't obviously preferable to a greater one, and missing the context of the quote isn't ideal, but, eh, the idea is more important than the fictional circumstances of the fictional character that said it.
On the other hand, someone who read the book can construct an effective counterargument. Personally, I don't recommend quoting sources out of context, even if it is just to express a single idea, because you set yourself up.
 
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