Democrats already proposing austerity before DNC even ends

[Gergar12]

Well, that confirms it. You are one of the lucky ones who has been able to avoid most of the pain of the last 4 years. I envy you that. But seriously, learn to appreciate that more. Right now you just take it for granted and are hopelessly out of touch as a result.

That's funny because of Biden I can't

Declare bankruptcy on my student loans

Be proud of being an American in Europe, and especially the Middle East, and South America, and anywhere else

If I get cancer, and I go bankrupt I will lose my house and my insurance, and that's if I can withstand that, and not do what many Americans do... because he was too much of a coward to get his boss, and Joe Lieberman to do a public option

Elderly couple found dead in apparent murder-suicide, left notes about high medical bills

Health care costs consume more of Americans' incomes than in any other country in the world

www.cbsnews.com

Will inherit a dying planet. (You know the most important issue there is)

Can't smoke pot without being arrested

Start a small business in Tech because Biden and Obama Admin sucks up to the tech monopolies, and won't enforce anti-trust them , and if he wins

I also will find it harder to get a job despite having a good degree because Biden didn't increase social security funding, and now older baby boomers are still hogging the jobs.

I mean Biden could have just quit his job and complained about Obama's lack of progressivism, and it would have made the news, but he won't because he isn't a progressive that just a fact.

 

[Buyetyen]

That's funny because of Biden I can't

Declare bankruptcy on my student loans

And you think Trump will be better in what way?

Be proud of being an American in Europe, and especially the Middle East, and South America, and anywhere else

You don't think that Trump is doing that now even worse?

If I get cancer, and I go bankrupt I will lose my house and my insurance, and that's if I can withstand that, and not do what many Americans do... because he was too much of a coward to get his boss, and Joe Lieberman to do a public option

And Trump wants to take away what few protections we have left.

Will inherit a dying planet. (You know the most important issue there is)

This is using cynicism as an excuse to do nothing.

Can't smoke pot without being arrested

Medical marijuana patient here. It's not black and white anymore, please don't pretend it's still the 70's.

Start a small business in Tech because Biden and Obama Admin sucks up to the tech monopolies, and won't enforce anti-trust them , and if he wins

I also will find it harder to get a job despite having a good degree because Biden didn't increase social security funding, and now older baby boomers are still hogging the jobs.

And I'm sure you think that makes you special. If that is the worst that's going on in your life right now, then you really do take how good your life is for granted.

Also, how does Biden winning create a problem that you just said already existed? Fuck, if you want to punish the rest of us for Bernie not winning, just fucking say so and be honest.

I mean Biden could have just quit his job and complained about Obama's lack of progressivism, and it would have made the news, but he won't because he isn't a progressive that just a fact.

Neither are you. You've made it pretty clear that your wounded ego is making the decisions, not any kind of policy or ideology. There is nothing progressive about what you're doing, it's just petty and selfish.

 

[Gergar12]

And you think Trump will be better?



You don't think that Trump is doing that now?



And Trump wants to take away what few protections we have left.



This is using cynicism as an excuse to do nothing.



Medical marijuana patient here. It's not black and white anymore.



And I'm sure you think that makes you special. If that is the worst that's going on in your life right now, then you really do take how good your life is for granted.



Neither are you. You've made it pretty clear that your wounded ego is making the decisions, not any kind of policy or ideology.

Will one the title is DEMOCRATS ALREADY PROPOSING AUSTERITY BEFORE DNC EVEN ENDS. Not Orange man bad. And let's talk about the issues Biden is bad on that affects everyone for the worst unless you're a billionaire.

Healthcare; M4A, or public option; He won't sign either.

The Environment; Green New Deal or Increase climate regulation, and funding; Nope.

Economy; UBI; Not that either

Also if I were the vice president I would quit the day he passed ACA without the public option.

Education; Yay more charter schools.

Also, the problem is not that Bernie didn't win it's that Biden can't even keep his OWN PROMISES like the public option, ending fossil fuel subsidies, and no austerity.

 

[Buyetyen]

Will one the title is DEMOCRATS ALREADY PROPOSING AUSTERITY BEFORE DNC EVEN ENDS. Not Orange man bad. And let's talk about the issues Biden is bad on that affects everyone for the worst unless you're a billionaire.

Yes, the orange man is bad, that's the point. Do you disagree?

Healthcare; M4A, or public option; He won't sign either.

The Environment; Green New Deal or Increase climate regulation, and funding; Nope.

Economy; UBI; Not that either

Education; Yay more charter schools.

Again, these are all excuses you're making. You didn't get literally everything you want, so you're going to punish the rest of by using your voting rights for an empty stunt that will get you some likes on social media and precisely nothing else.

 

[lil devils x]

SNIP

Border policies:

“What we saw — week in and week out, after 2½ years in that administration — was terrifying,” Taylor said in the video released Monday. “The president wanted to exploit the Department of Homeland Security for his own political purposed and to fuel his own agenda.”

He also criticized Mr. Trump's policy toward families crossing the southern border into the U.S., saying the president wanted to "have a deliberate policy of ripping children away from their parents to show those parents that they shouldn't come to the border in the first place."

"A lot of the time, the things he wanted to do not only were impossible, but in many cases illegal. He didn't want us to tell them it was illegal anymore because he knew that there were, and these were his words, he knew that he had magical authorities," Taylor continued.

Top DHS officials were regularly diverted from dealing with genuine security threats by the chore of responding to these inappropriate and often absurd executive requests, at all hours of the day and night. One morning it might be a demand to shut off congressionally appropriated funds to a foreign ally that had angered him, and that evening it might be a request to sharpen the spikes atop the border wall so they’d be more damaging to human flesh (“How much would that cost us?”). Meanwhile, Trump showed vanishingly little interest in subjects of vital national security interest, including cybersecurity, domestic terrorism and malicious foreign interference in U.S. affairs.

Racism..

Donald Trump wanted to sell Puerto Rico or swap it for Greenland because he viewed the Caribbean territory as “dirty” and “poor”, a former senior White House official has said.

Trump wanted to trade ‘dirty and poor’ Puerto Rico for Greenland, says ex-White House official

Some 3,000 people were killed when Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico in 2017

www.independent.co.uk

Of course this is on top of outright constantly tweeting white supremacists and supporting them on top of all of his other racist BS we have already talked about for ages.

Conspiracy theorists? He gave Alex Jones a WHITE HOUSE Press pass?!@ He is praising Qanon in press conferences and having the department of justice investigate their insane conspiracy theories now and having you pay for it via taxes?

TBC in next post because forum is broken.

 

[lil devils x]

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Corruption.. Biden's son getting a job somewhere is somehow comparable to the most corrupt administration in our history? Trump not only is in violation of the enrollments clause with his resorts he is having taxpayers support and foreign officials stay at, he hired his daughter and son in law as white house staff, he got them jobs in the white house and then is taking them with him to meet foreign officials resulting in millions in both their pockets and numerous contracts that had been previously declined. THIS on top of Trump bending over backwards to ensure Jared's financial ties in Saudi Arabia are secure. Biden's son having a temp job for a short time working for someone else, can't touch everything happening with trump and his family. To even attempt it is laughable at this point. His own administration officials are telling us that IS his entire focus.

It really isn't about " sucking up to dictators" that is the big problem, the problem REALLY is Trump asking China's president to help get him reelected. Trump ignoring the Saudi Arabian royal family murdering a Washington post reporter in order to secure business deals. He leaked classified information to Russia, risking the source's life and our relations with allies. He disclosed the location of US nuclear subs to Duterte, leaked classified information about the Manchester arena bombing to the press, and tweeted a classified image that the last person to have done so went to prison for it. His dictator worship is the least of our concerns.

"Ferguson happening"=\= Trumps changing policies and cutting funding to address far right terrorism directly result in more of it actually happening. Right wing terrorism is responsible for 73% of extremist murders in the US, yet he chose to ignore it and shift funding to attacking Muslims and other minority groups instead. Ferguson and George Floyd could have happened under anyone's watch. That isn't the issue here, it is what Trump's actual policies here that are resulting in more people being killed that are the problem.

 

[Buyetyen]

Also, the problem is not that Bernie didn't win it's that Biden can't even keep his OWN PROMISES like the public option, ending fossil fuel subsidies, and no austerity.

I don't buy that's your real reason. You're still treating the election like a reality TV game show. Like I said, you're out of touch. You've had it comparatively easy and you take it for granted. And worse yet? You're making excuses for all of it. You can claim it's about principled stands all you want, you'll just make a liar out of yourself. We can tell dude. You don't give a shit about any of us. This is all about pride for you and thousands more deaths, evictions and other hardships are simply the price you're willing to make everyone else pay for your vindication.

 

[lil devils x]

Yes, the orange man is bad, that's the point. Do you disagree?



Again, these are all excuses you're making. You didn't get literally everything you want, so you're going to punish the rest of by using your voting rights for an empty stunt that will get you some likes on social media and precisely nothing else.

I just really have to wonder what sort of mental gymnastics you gotta do to look at everything Biden has done in his entire life and then look at the sheer insanity of what Trump has just done in just 4 years and say " meh" they are the same.. Baffling.. Truly baffling. Like even trying to compare Biden's son temporary job to Trumps resorts, hotels, Ivanka touring with trump and sitting in his chair with world leaders to get her brands approved, trump overlooking Saudi Arabia murdering people to seal Jared's contracts.. some seriously amazing mental gymnastics there to even attempt to compare the two. then lets just take a look at the 180,000 DEAD AMERICANS and say " "overstating" with a straight face... really?

 

[Gergar12]

Yes, the orange man is bad, that's the point. Do you disagree?



Again, these are all excuses you're making. You didn't get literally everything you want, so you're going to punish the rest of by using your voting rights for an empty stunt that will get you some likes on social media and precisely nothing else.

Okay since you know me so well What do you think I or the American public gets in exchange for Biden that I would want. Name me something that wouldn't get backtracked, reverse once he's in office, etc.

Also, I don't care about likes, I literally lost 100s of karma on Reddit posting about the same thing, I still continue posting.

Biden is not Biden. He is Bezos, Bloomberg, Bill Clinton, the Insurance agencies, Big Pharma, all rolled into a brought, and sold for the presidency. And also I believe Trump is bad, but not enough to allow for 12 years of neoliberalism, and a dark age for progressives as the state democratic parties use the results of the census to stir away the squad's congressional seats.

Snip

Who build those cages???

 

[Gordon_4]

That's funny because of Biden I can't

Declare bankruptcy on my student loans

Be proud of being an American in Europe, and especially the Middle East, and South America, and anywhere else

If I get cancer, and I go bankrupt I will lose my house and my insurance, and that's if I can withstand that, and not do what many Americans do... because he was too much of a coward to get his boss, and Joe Lieberman to do a public option

Elderly couple found dead in apparent murder-suicide, left notes about high medical bills

Health care costs consume more of Americans' incomes than in any other country in the world

www.cbsnews.com

Will inherit a dying planet. (You know the most important issue there is)

Can't smoke pot without being arrested

Start a small business in Tech because Biden and Obama Admin sucks up to the tech monopolies, and won't enforce anti-trust them , and if he wins

I also will find it harder to get a job despite having a good degree because Biden didn't increase social security funding, and now older baby boomers are still hogging the jobs.

I mean Biden could have just quit his job and complained about Obama's lack of progressivism, and it would have made the news, but he won't because he isn't a progressive that just a fact.

No offence mate, but I don’t think it’s the lack of Anti-Trust enforcement that means your tech startup will likely fail. It will be because what you’re offering is already being offered by bigger players who can do it on a grander scale with better support.

 

[Gergar12]

No offence mate, but I don’t think it’s the lack of Anti-Trust enforcement that means your tech startup will likely fail. It will be because what you’re offering is already being offered by bigger players who can do it on a grander scale with better support.

No, it's because if I start a startup, and it's successful I will either get a message to be brought by Amazon, Google, Facebook, and or Apple, or they will price me out, or lower my visibility on social media, and search engines.

They kill their competition.

 

[Buyetyen]

I just really have to wonder what sort of mental gymnastics you gotta do to look at everything Biden has done in his entire life and then look at the sheer insanity of what Trump ash just done in 4 years and say " meh" they are the same.. Baffling.. Truly baffling. Like even trying to compare Biden's son temporary job to Trumps resorts, hotels, Ivanka touring with trump and sitting in his chair with world leaders to get her brands approved, trump overlooking Saudi Arabia murdering people to seal Jared's contracts.. some seriously amazing mental gymnastics there to even attempt to compare the two.

Like I said before, people who protest vote and play the both sides game are just shallow egotists out of touch with the rest of us. They don't care what happens to us, as long as they feel validated.

Okay since you know me so well What do you think I or the American public gets in exchange for Biden that I would want. Name me something that wouldn't get backtracked, reverse once he's in office, etc.

That's a bullshit question because this election is now about damage control. And Biden would be demonstrably better than Trump in that regard. I'm disappointed that Bernie didn't get the nod too, but I'm not using that as an excuse for a tantrum.

Also, I don't care about likes, I literally lost 100s of karma on Reddit posting about the same thing, I still continue posting.

And yet you protest vote. An act always done purely out of ego.

Biden is not Biden. He is Bezos, Bloomberg, Bill Clinton, the Insurance agencies, Big Pharma, all rolled into a brought, and sold for the presidency. And also I believe Trump is bad, but not enough to allow for 12 years of neoliberalism, and a dark age for progressives as the state democratic parties use the results of the census to stir away the squad's congressional seats.

In claiming that the 90's status quo was worse than living under actual fascism, you're proving me right that you're out of touch.

Who build those cages???

Your only rhetorical tactic here appears to be moving the goalposts.

No, it's because if I start a startup, and it's successful

Very presumptuous of you to assume it would get that far. Nine out of 10 start-ups fold within their first 12 months.

 

[Gergar12]

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Yes, the 1990s were great 500K dead Iraqis is awesome, and totally not a war crime. /s


You are the one that's out of touch or naive.

 

[Buyetyen]

Yes, the 1990s were great 500K dead Iraqis is awesome, and totally not a war crime. /s


You are the one that's out of touch or naive.

Moving the goalposts again. Also, the Gulf War was under Bush I, not Clinton. And when bitching about the 90's you completely skipped over the Gulf War in favor of attacking Clinton's neoliberal economic policies. One is clearly more important to you than the other, so please don't pretend otherwise.

But yes, I imagine the 90's sucked for Iraq, what with the war and being ruled by a military dictator. Stateside things were measurably better. But it's a meme that the 90's sucked, so we have to pretend that the 90's were a Mad Max hellscape.

Also, you want to talk about war crimes, Trump has launched way more drone strikes than Obama and Trump also ordered the extra-judicial assassination of an Iranian politician, further destabilizing the region. Trying to make Trump out to be the preferable war criminal is just admitting that you don't really give a fuck about war crimes, you just want to punish us because Bernie didn't win.

 

[lil devils x]

Who build those cages???

That is all you have to say about it? Trump was literally court ordered to cease family separation and he ordered them to do it anyways illegally because he had " magical authorities" I wasn't even discussing the actual cages here, I am talking about Trumps ordering the illegally forced separation for asylum seekers as a" punishment" for coming to the US at all. They took the kids they separated and put them into the foster system and then lost them.

US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

COMAYAGUA, Honduras (AP) — The 3-year-old girl traveled for weeks cradled in her father's arms, as he set out to seek asylum in the United States.

apnews.com

U.S. Loses Track of Another 1,500 Migrant Children, Investigators Find (Published 2018)

The inability to confirm the whereabouts of migrant children after they move from federal shelters raises concerns that they could be exploited by human traffickers.

www.nytimes.com

Lost and Displaced in Trump’s Policies: Children of Immigrants in Foster Care - SP2

Muslim Travel Ban! Bad Hombres! Criminals! America First! Illegal Aliens! We are getting the bad ones out of here! This is a military operation! We are going to build a great great wall! This divisive rhetoric surrounding immigration in the current administration sends a clear message that...

www.penntopten.com

 

[Gergar12]

Moving the goalposts again. Also, the Gulf War was under Bush I, not Clinton. And when bitching about the 90's you completely skipped over the Gulf War in favor of attacking Clinton's neoliberal economic policies. One is clearly more important to you than the other, so please don't pretend otherwise.

I am talking about these sanctions Genius.

International sanctions against Iraq - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On May 12, 1996, Madeleine Albright (then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) appeared on a 60 Minutes segment in which Lesley Stahl asked her "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, are is the price worth it?" and Albright replied "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it."

 

[lil devils x]

Yes, the 1990s were great 500K dead Iraqis is awesome, and totally not a war crime. /s


You are the one that's out of touch or naive.

Moving the goalposts again. Also, the Gulf War was under Bush I, not Clinton. And when bitching about the 90's you completely skipped over the Gulf War in favor of attacking Clinton's neoliberal economic policies. One is clearly more important to you than the other, so please don't pretend otherwise.

Being realistic here, Bush and Clinton were both responsible for 9/11. But that really has no bearing on whether or not we have an obligation to remove Trump from power due to him being unfit for office. There is not much Biden could even do at this point that could be worse than what Trump has ALREADY done and promised to do already.

 

[Buyetyen]

Being realistic here, Bush and Clinton were both responsible for 9/11. But that really has no bearing on whether or not we have an obligation to remove Trump from power due to him being unfit for office.

True, considering neither of them is on the ballot this year. It seems Gergar hasn't fully processed that fact yet.

I am talking about these sanctions Genius.

This in no way rebuts my assessment of you as not really giving a fuck about war crimes. You're using them as a political football. You have not once in this conversation demonstrated that you actually believe in anything real.

 

[Gergar12]

That is all you have to say about it? Trump was literally court ordered to cease family separation and he ordered them to do it anyways illegally because he had " magical authorities" I wasn't even discussing the actual cages here, I am talking about Trumps ordering the illegally forced separation for asylum seekers as a" punishment" for coming to the US at all. They took the kids they separated and put them into the foster system and then lost them.

US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

COMAYAGUA, Honduras (AP) — The 3-year-old girl traveled for weeks cradled in her father's arms, as he set out to seek asylum in the United States.

apnews.com

U.S. Loses Track of Another 1,500 Migrant Children, Investigators Find (Published 2018)

The inability to confirm the whereabouts of migrant children after they move from federal shelters raises concerns that they could be exploited by human traffickers.

www.nytimes.com

Lost and Displaced in Trump’s Policies: Children of Immigrants in Foster Care - SP2

Muslim Travel Ban! Bad Hombres! Criminals! America First! Illegal Aliens! We are getting the bad ones out of here! This is a military operation! We are going to build a great great wall! This divisive rhetoric surrounding immigration in the current administration sends a clear message that...

www.penntopten.com

And Obama gave him the tools to do it. Why didn't Obama Disband ICE? Why didn't Obama go further on DACA? For 2 years he held both houses of congress and yet did little.

 

[Gergar12]

True, considering neither of them is on the ballot this year. It seems Gergar hasn't fully processed that fact yet.



This in no way rebuts my assessment of you as not really giving a fuck about war crimes. You're using them as a political football. You have not once in this conversation demonstrated that you actually believe in anything real.

Since you seem to assume all nonvoters are bad instead of people who are marginalized.

Nonvoters Are Not Privileged

The media and political class’s depiction of abstention as a byproduct of class and racial privilege is a lie.

theintercept.com

I asked people why they don’t vote, and this is what they told me

In the 2016 election, more than a third of Americans didn’t vote. What might be keeping them from going to the polls?

theconversation.com

"People have also told me they worry about feeling personally responsible if they vote for a candidate or position and there are unforeseen consequences, such as cuts to important aid programs. Members of any group, but especially those of underrepresented groups, may long to vote for desirable candidates but not feel that current candidates offer the possibility that anything will really change"