Democrats already proposing austerity before DNC even ends

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And Obama gave him the tools to do it. Why didn't Obama Disband ICE? Why didn't Obama go further on DACA? For 2 years he held both houses of congress and yet did little.
If we're going to go this route, why did King George react with indifference, even arrogance to the colonial protests, which lead to the revolution, which lead to the founding of America, which lead to the office of the presidency, which lead to Trump getting the office?

Every post just proves this is about pride for you, not policy.
 
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And Obama gave him the tools to do it. Why didn't Obama Disband ICE? Why didn't Obama go further on DACA? For 2 years he held both houses of congress and yet did little.
I have a screwdriver, that doesn't mean the person I got it from is responsible if I choose to break into someone's house with it. Obama didn't " hold two houses" , it works like this:
Democrats have Moderates, conservatives and progressives and they all constantly disagree.
Republicans have Conservatives and Far right they are usually pretty united.
Democrats having a majority =\= they agree on policy. Democrat's progressives have to bribe, beg, borrow and steal votes from moderates and conservatives to get anything passed at all. The far right and conservatives have the majority. in the current landscape, progressives do not have a majority. Democrats are just everyone else banding together to beat them even if they do not agree on much else. The progressives basically have to bribe their asses off by any means possible to get anything done at all. Making it harder for them to do so just ensures the far right takes control.
 
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Since you seem to assume all nonvoters are bad instead of people who are marginalized.
No, I accused you of protest voting, not non-voting. Which you admit you are doing. And pretty clearly out of pride and spite instead of integrity and principles. You can attempt to move those goalposts but it ain't gonna work.
 

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If we're going to go this route, why did King George react with indifference, even arrogance to the colonial protests, which lead to the revolution, which lead to the founding of America, which lead to the office of the presidency, which lead to Trump getting the office?

Every post just proves this is about pride for you, not policy.
I will give you the answer because he is not progressive, and neither is Biden. They serve the same donors and will act upon the same donors.
 
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Nothing can be done but to vote, there is only one proper vote, and it is for a man who will fix nothing, so we will face this same crisis forever.
 
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No, I accused you of protest voting, not non-voting. Which you admit you are doing. And pretty clearly out of pride and spite instead of integrity and principles. You can attempt to move those goalposts but it ain't gonna work.
Well sucks for you, I don't want to vote for 12 years of neoliberalism, or 4 years of Biden, and 4 years of QANON after backlash to Biden doing nothing. Biden and Obama by proxy has picked a side, and it's that of wealthy multinational corporations, the wealthy, and the powerful, not the other way around.

This will cermet America as one of the most unequal in income inequality, healthcare outcomes, and poor stewardship of the environment.

That's my point.
 

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Well sucks for you, I don't want to vote for 12 years of neoliberalism, or 4 years of Biden, and 4 years of QANON after backlash to Biden doing nothing. Biden has picked a side, and it's that of wealthy multinational corporations, the wealthy, and the powerful, not the other way around.

This will cermet America as one of the most unequal in income inequality, healthcare outcomes, and poor stewardship of the environment.
In other words, you're admitting that my assessment of you as putting your ego ahead of reality is dead on accurate.

Seriously, what do you think will happen after you protest vote? What affect do you think it will have?
 

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In other words, you're admitting that my assessment of you as putting your ego ahead of reality is dead on accurate.

Seriously, what do you think will happen after you protest vote? What affect do you think it will have?
Biden loses the election, and progressives try again in 2024 without Kamala Harris getting name recognition.
 

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Nothing can be done but to vote, there is only one proper vote, and it is for a man who will fix nothing, so we will face this same crisis forever.
Not forever. We need to do better in the meantime instead of going " back to our business as usual" in between elections. We really need people on the ground in every damn county in the flippin' country educating the people in those communities so they actually understand what is happening here. Without people on the ground, we can't change this. I have seen people change their minds and make a difference, It just takes a LOT of work and mostly needs to be done in person, not yappin on the internet for the most part. The GOP has been great at that for a very long time now, we need progressives to be better at it for this to change. We change it one congressional seat/ district at a time. People just have to get out of their hidey holes and actually do it this time.
 
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Biden loses the election, and progressives try again in 2024 without Kamala Harris getting name recognition.
And the 4 years in between are just not worth speaking of? Nothing important happens? Nothing bad? Nobody suffers, things don't get worse? Like I said, you're volunteering millions of people as a blood sacrifice for your wounded pride.
 

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Biden loses the election, and progressives try again in 2024 without Kamala Harris getting name recognition.
Do you really have no idea how many people will literally die DUE to that happening? Like it is no big deal or something and these people have time to wait...
 

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Do you really have no idea how many people will literally die DUE to that happening? Like it is no big deal or something and these people have time to wait...
The worse alternative is that he does, he just doesn't give a shit. And once you've decided not to give a shit, you just need an excuse. Any excuse will do.
 

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And the 4 years in between are just not worth speaking of? Nothing important happens? Nothing bad? Nobody suffers, things don't get worse? Like I said, you're volunteering millions of people as a blood sacrifice for your wounded pride.
That is what I don't get. It is like people are " just numbers" and don't really matter at all or something. Trump has already got the ball rolling too with his ACA case and his Pandemic plans and all he needs is a win to have it happen and people do not even bat an eye.
 
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Nothing can be done but to vote, there is only one proper vote, and it is for a man who will fix nothing, so we will face this same crisis forever.
Voting in this election is a metaphor for entropy, change my mind.
 

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And the 4 years in between are just not worth speaking of? Nothing important happens? Nothing bad? Nobody suffers, things don't get worse? Like I said, you're volunteering millions of people as a blood sacrifice for your wounded pride.
Do you really have no idea how many people will literally die DUE to that happening? Like it is no big deal or something and these people have time to wait...
4 Years of Trump is better than 12-16 years of Biden, and Harris. And also people have already died from democrats being in power. Look at the middle east for example.

Also, I prefer 4 years of trump, 8 of AOC vs 12-16 years of Biden/Harris, and no progressive policies.

Also, I will vote for Biden, if he wins, and does the Green New Deal, Medicare 4 All, Free College, UBI, public option, and more climate regulation to the point of being against fracking, no billionaires in the cabinet in... 2024. But he won't because he's a corporate stooge for the powerful.
 
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4 Years of Trump is better than 12-16 years of Biden, and Harris. And also people have already died from democrats being in power. Look at the middle east for example.
Biden is only running for one term according to Biden. Harris will not be the candidate... she didn't even make the primaries. Have you paid attention to anything that has been going on?
Biden only ran at all because people called on him to do so due to what Trump was actually doing being so dangerous. he has no plans to run again.
 
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4 Years of Trump is better than 12-16 years of Biden, and Harris. And also people have already died from democrats being in power. Look at the middle east for example.
So now you're assuming without evidence that Biden will get rid of 2-term limit and ride a wave into office that only FDR could manage previously? Or are you assuming that Biden is guaranteed 2 terms and Harris will immediately follow with another 2 terms? Phone psychics have a better prediction accuracy rate, my dude.
 
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So now you're assuming without evidence that Biden will get rid of 2-term limit and ride a wave into office that only FDR could manage previously? Or are you assuming that Biden is guaranteed 2 terms and Harris will immediately follow with another 2 terms? Phone psychics have a better prediction accuracy rate, my dude.
The second gave democrat's demographic advantages.
 
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