Did Twilight really suck that much?
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I read the first Twilight. I am yet to watch any of the films. I tried to watch the first one once but... couldn't. I just couldn't.
Originally I planned to read all the Twilight books, just so I'd have authority when I said it was crap. Found it a waste of time though. The first book reads like above average fan-fiction, it is very poor writing. Some of the subtext is infuriating but what's more infuriating is how it's probably all by accident anyway. Twilight is nothing more than Mayer's fantasy, she clearly didn't give any thought to the underlying themes.
Basically it's bad writing with bad themes. It's not average, it is decidedly below average. This is not even considering the way it rapes vampire and werewolf lore or the fact that the characters are less then one dimensional. I can fully understand the Twi-hate.
Originally I planned to read all the Twilight books, just so I'd have authority when I said it was crap. Found it a waste of time though. The first book reads like above average fan-fiction, it is very poor writing. Some of the subtext is infuriating but what's more infuriating is how it's probably all by accident anyway. Twilight is nothing more than Mayer's fantasy, she clearly didn't give any thought to the underlying themes.
Basically it's bad writing with bad themes. It's not average, it is decidedly below average. This is not even considering the way it rapes vampire and werewolf lore or the fact that the characters are less then one dimensional. I can fully understand the Twi-hate.
I just can't stand how it tried to re-invent the Fable of the Vampire. Vampires sparkle in daylight instead of bursting into flames and whithering and dying.
Also the characters are incredibly bland and unlikable, for example: Bella. One of the most selfish and unpleasant characters i've ever seen, who takes everything she has for granted.
She leads man along without saying she has no interest in them, just so they will do things for her.
That my friends is a very unpleasant character.
It wouldn't matter if she wasn't that promanent but she's the Hero of the story. The one girls are meant to look up to!
I mean why would Edward have any interest in someone like this? I personaly wouldn't want anything to do with her.
Also the characters are incredibly bland and unlikable, for example: Bella. One of the most selfish and unpleasant characters i've ever seen, who takes everything she has for granted.
She leads man along without saying she has no interest in them, just so they will do things for her.
That my friends is a very unpleasant character.
It wouldn't matter if she wasn't that promanent but she's the Hero of the story. The one girls are meant to look up to!
I mean why would Edward have any interest in someone like this? I personaly wouldn't want anything to do with her.
The writing of twilight is bad and I sort of did an experiment on it:
From the internet, I printed a mocking, satirical piece of writing that imitated Stephany Meyer's writing. I then read it to two twilight fans in my classroom. The writing went to great lengths to describe edwards toes and then had him change into an apple. They only found the fact that he changed into an apple strange.
But they probably punked me instead. We all had a good laugh at least
From the internet, I printed a mocking, satirical piece of writing that imitated Stephany Meyer's writing. I then read it to two twilight fans in my classroom. The writing went to great lengths to describe edwards toes and then had him change into an apple. They only found the fact that he changed into an apple strange.
But they probably punked me instead. We all had a good laugh at least
the only thing i got out the books were 1) Stephanie Meyer REALLY needs a good dicking and 2) it was a piss-poor piece of shit. I read two of the books and half the third without learning anything else. The fourth book was just a fleshed out porn novel. My problem is just how 4 shitty books written by some lonely woman about teenage girls and supernatural creatures spawned a whole sub-culture of TV shows, movies, books, and that whole Team Edward v. Team Jacob bullshit.
Twilight was ok, the hype on the other hand just turned something kind of bland into some kind of really annoying. The same applies to all other fanbases ever.
There fairly bad films, but most bad films don't get this amount of hate.
No, this is because of its Target audience, Teenage girls. If Teenage girls love it, The internet hates it. See Justin Beiber.
No, this is because of its Target audience, Teenage girls. If Teenage girls love it, The internet hates it. See Justin Beiber.
It's become cool to hate, but there is reason. It's a mediocre vampire/werewolf fan-fic, based upon the Author's wet ream. If that's your thing, then cool, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not very well written (or imagined).
Hate is a strong word. It's just another thing I dislike that's oozed out of popular culture.
Hate is a strong word. It's just another thing I dislike that's oozed out of popular culture.
I watched the first film, and that was pretty good. But I haven't read the book, so I wouldn't know of it's literary quality.
Have you read Misery? Or The Shining? Those are two good books.spartan231490 said:
Totally agree with you there.ChuQue37 said:
My thought processes while reading the books:
Twilight:
1. "Hey, this isn't as bad as most people are saying!"
2. "Bella's unusually verbose. Whatever, some extra description isn't exactly damaging."
3. "So, Bella's met Edward. Guess they'll fall in love and then she'll learn he's a vampire."
4. "They're in love? When did that happen?"
5. "Sparkles? Really? How is that a weakness in any way?"
6. "Finally, some villains."
7. "They're dead. Well that was straightforward."
New Moon:
1. "Right. A vampire that actually wants to drink blood. Cool."
2. "Edward's leaving? Could this be some character development?"
3. "Bella/Jacob. I see a love triangle in the making."
4. "Werewolves! That would be surprising if it wasn't spoiled everywhere."
5. "Ok, vampire royalty, suicide, sounds ok."
6. "And Stephanie Meyer has just bashed the reset button until it broke. So much for development."
Eclipse:
1. [Some random crap about a vampire war sounding alright.]
2. "Oh. So it's over then, is it?"
New Moon:
1. "Ok, they're married, and that's somehow bad when they wuv eachother that much."
2. "Vampire baby? The author said that couldn't happen, but whatever."
3. "Chestburster baby! WOOT!"
4a. "And Vampire!Bella doesn't even have vampire bloodlust. Missed Moment Of Awesome.
4b. "Vampire royalty, impending vampire war, cool."
4c. "PEDOPHILE JACOB!?"
5. "And it's over! And they wuv eachother vewy much!"
I hate it because of what it did to vampires. They used to be cool, powerful beings that could only survive at night.retyopy said:
Now they're just angsty permateens who sparkle in daylight. They're closer to Peter Pan than to Bram Stoker's Dracula.
I'm not saying they all have to obey the Bram Stoker formula, but being killed by daylight is kinda vampires thing. That's what makes it fair for them to have all their powers and be immortal, never seeing a sunrise again.
But if you become an immortal superbeing who doesn't have to drink human blood, why wouldn't everyone be a vampire?
I'm pretty sure Twilight Sparkles.Bobic said:
I don't mind the books. They're okay. The movies though. Jesus christ. I've never seen so much melodrama since my ex got the boot from my life.
I love reading, therefor i have read it..
And, well.. I kinda liked the books, even tho i did hate what they did with the vampires(The sparkling)..
However, i do see why so many people hate on them. It's a love story with vampires for christs sake. It's almost asking for hate.
On a side note : The movies suck.. Alot.
And, well.. I kinda liked the books, even tho i did hate what they did with the vampires(The sparkling)..
However, i do see why so many people hate on them. It's a love story with vampires for christs sake. It's almost asking for hate.
On a side note : The movies suck.. Alot.
TBH i gave the book a try, it was horrid. I gave one of the films a try couldn't get 20mins in before i gave up. So I dislike it because they rubbish.
Twilight. Well I have read it but the reason why I read it is a weird one. Last year in Spring, my parents and I vacationed in Germany for a good couple of days. On the way home, our flight was delayed a good while and so I went to a book store to see if anything was in English. Twilight was in English and I figured "Hey, maybe it's not as bad as people think." And I have to say it was torture to read through it. I mean, Bella is emotionless for a reason, she's a tool in order for the author to express her never dying love for a character she invented, Edward. I never read the full series, just the first book and with that I just thought it was disturbing how in love the author was with Edward, the only off putting thing after that was the sparkles and the fact Edward seemed like a creepy stalker.
Then I got into a relationship with a girl who actually liked Twilight and she told about the later books and then it hit me as to why it's bad. Stephenie Meyer is a hypocrite. In the first book, she states that when you're a vampire, all of your bodily fluids stop. So there is no blood, no stomach acid, no sperm. What happens in the fourth installment? Edward has sex with Bella. No, I don't care if the venom can explain it, that is just lazy writing. That is just an author want to have a sex scene with their favorite character and not caring if actually works with their story. Oh and plus Jacob loving the demon child is a little disturbing.
As far as the movies, I don't mind them really. None of the actors are generally bad, they're just stuck with this shitty script. The director is actually pretty good, I love how in the first movie it shows how cruel the "vegetarian" vampires are by having them kill an innocent deer. Taylor Lautner is actually a decent actor, I like him, I actually related to him because in the time of physically watching the sequel, I was currently dealing with the same shit. Perfect boyfriend comforts a girl while her dick-head boyfriend leaves her. When forced to decide, she goes to the dick-head boyfriend. The only other comment I can make is that like I said, the actors aren't really bad. Kristen Stewart has actually done some decent acting. A movie I own which is basically just Jumanji in Space, she plays the older sister which is a character you're meant to hate and she actually sells it. She sold it before I even knew what Twilight was.
So yeah, that's my contribution. If at anything, I just hate the obsessed fans and the writer herself. As Stephen King once said: Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.
Then I got into a relationship with a girl who actually liked Twilight and she told about the later books and then it hit me as to why it's bad. Stephenie Meyer is a hypocrite. In the first book, she states that when you're a vampire, all of your bodily fluids stop. So there is no blood, no stomach acid, no sperm. What happens in the fourth installment? Edward has sex with Bella. No, I don't care if the venom can explain it, that is just lazy writing. That is just an author want to have a sex scene with their favorite character and not caring if actually works with their story. Oh and plus Jacob loving the demon child is a little disturbing.
As far as the movies, I don't mind them really. None of the actors are generally bad, they're just stuck with this shitty script. The director is actually pretty good, I love how in the first movie it shows how cruel the "vegetarian" vampires are by having them kill an innocent deer. Taylor Lautner is actually a decent actor, I like him, I actually related to him because in the time of physically watching the sequel, I was currently dealing with the same shit. Perfect boyfriend comforts a girl while her dick-head boyfriend leaves her. When forced to decide, she goes to the dick-head boyfriend. The only other comment I can make is that like I said, the actors aren't really bad. Kristen Stewart has actually done some decent acting. A movie I own which is basically just Jumanji in Space, she plays the older sister which is a character you're meant to hate and she actually sells it. She sold it before I even knew what Twilight was.
So yeah, that's my contribution. If at anything, I just hate the obsessed fans and the writer herself. As Stephen King once said: Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.