Oh you will love the East vs West pics for female video game characters. If they arent mary sue snowflakes with porcelain doll faces it is clearly a sjw aligned game and by default it sucks.Nature Guardian said:
Dissing Mass Effect Andromeda because it has diversity and equality
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Ah, joy. This again. There is only one lens to look at things through, and align yourselves accordingly; all praise or criticism will be interpreted and apportioned solely in that light.
Haven't seen this particular parade go by at all recently.
(...I ain't afraid of no ghosts...)
Haven't seen this particular parade go by at all recently.
(...I ain't afraid of no ghosts...)
...and he identifies as a dude. (I mean, I was born male and identify as male, so...)Redryhno said:
I mean, presumably anyway. Gannon never actually states it though, so maybe not.
Difference between being born male, and identifying as a guy. C'mon dude, you stand up for trans rights anytime you get the chance, you've gotta know there's a, let's call it subtle, difference.altnameJag said:
Got anything other than playing cheeky games I got bored of in high school to add to that post?
You're the one making an issue out of it, dude. Why?Redryhno said:
Although I am curious to know how many "straight" villains (or other characters) out there are simply assumed to be so because straight is used as the default. Which is a whole other kettle of fish.
You're the one making an issue out of it, dude. Why?altnameJag said:
Although I am curious to know how many "straight" villains (or other characters) out there are simply assumed to be so because straight is used as the default. Which is a whole other kettle of fish.[/quote]
Because you're going about doing that damned "assuming" game playing that I'm sick of. The lore of the cultures of Zelda was established quite a long time ago. Only making an issue out of it, as you put it, because "identifying" has certain implications you know exist. And as I stated a couple pages back, I'm a lore-whore.
As for why, because even the most generous surveys of most non-straight acceptance countries place the estimate around like 20%(give or take, mostly take). That's trans, asexual, and gay bundled together. Meaning 4 in 5 times, the character is going to be straight. It's not really that far out there for people to go by averages/majorities/normal, take the word you prefer.
Not to mention most of the time, it doesn't particularly matter to the plot of the game or the story what genitals people like to bump faces with, so people don't really care or think about it outside of fan-art and/or porn, which sorta falls into the realm of non-canon and pure fantasy to begin with.
But I suppose I'll take this post as my answer to the question I posed in my last post to you.
Maybe it's because they support his views. At the least they seem to understand that white hate is not only ok but popular.American Tanker said:
Neat? Still don't get why you're getting your knickers in a twist over vocabulary. Would it have been better if I said "cis-male" instead of "male identifying"? It literally means the same goddamed thing.Redryhno said:
I always find it weird when nerds don't want to play the what if game.
the Zelda has the Triforce of courage and Link is embodying the triforce of wisdom.
I mean, think about it: A century ago, Hyrule's autonomous defenders get hijacked, their voltron force gets wiped out, the hero with the sword that seals the darkness gets mortally wounded and placed in stasis, and what does Zelda do? Has a solo face-off with the big G themself. That's pretty fucking ballsy. Then, Link, instead of rushing to her aid knowing shit's going down, takes an almost unreasonably long time gearing up, doing side quests, building up his strength, and recruiting allies. Because that's the wise thing to do.
Of course, I all so think the "wake up" scene at the very beginning was a perfect time to have a Splatoon level character creator, so fuck me, right?
I mean, think about it: A century ago, Hyrule's autonomous defenders get hijacked, their voltron force gets wiped out, the hero with the sword that seals the darkness gets mortally wounded and placed in stasis, and what does Zelda do? Has a solo face-off with the big G themself. That's pretty fucking ballsy. Then, Link, instead of rushing to her aid knowing shit's going down, takes an almost unreasonably long time gearing up, doing side quests, building up his strength, and recruiting allies. Because that's the wise thing to do.
Of course, I all so think the "wake up" scene at the very beginning was a perfect time to have a Splatoon level character creator, so fuck me, right?
Man, if only we could hit those kind of numbers.
Okay, so, if most of the time it doesn't matter, then why do you want more explicitly gay bad guys? Just take about one in five/ten of the baddies who don't explicitly out themselves as straight and consider them LGBT. Problem fucking solved.
The amounof facepalming is unknowable. It's late, I'm tired.
But lemme address a bit of this insanity. It Biowares fault for messing up, not some stupid unproven theory to make the women less sexy/appealing(and I'm sorry to you guys on the other side of that debate but it's a big release AAA game, expect the bodies to slide towards super model).
No what this is, is either A) Bioware giving it to the B-C team(which if people want to argue about who works there and why be my guest), B) they have newer employees that did the work and no one caught it before it was out to the media(rush job on the promo/first looks? Day one patch incoming says I) or and it's most likely this C) The tech is fuuuuuuuucked.
It's the Uncanny Valley at work here. As Publishers(and some Devs) keep pushing the big flashy graphics and hyper realistic visuals, any animation problems get multiplied. We know how humans should walk and look so when the rigging/mesh/animation file messes up it jars us from the experience harder than other visuals. I've seen way worse in TF2 vids on YouTube and those are bonkers. But because they are cartoonish/caritures it doesn't bother me as much.
So yeah, people need to calm the hell down and stop jumping at shadows all the bloody time. Cause if this comes up every time, it's gonna be a long ride till we get over that valley.
That or Bioware being a bug bite of lazy nitwits that think they can put less effort in and still expect to reach insane sell numbers beacuase it is a "Mass Effect".
But lemme address a bit of this insanity. It Biowares fault for messing up, not some stupid unproven theory to make the women less sexy/appealing(and I'm sorry to you guys on the other side of that debate but it's a big release AAA game, expect the bodies to slide towards super model).
No what this is, is either A) Bioware giving it to the B-C team(which if people want to argue about who works there and why be my guest), B) they have newer employees that did the work and no one caught it before it was out to the media(rush job on the promo/first looks? Day one patch incoming says I) or and it's most likely this C) The tech is fuuuuuuuucked.
It's the Uncanny Valley at work here. As Publishers(and some Devs) keep pushing the big flashy graphics and hyper realistic visuals, any animation problems get multiplied. We know how humans should walk and look so when the rigging/mesh/animation file messes up it jars us from the experience harder than other visuals. I've seen way worse in TF2 vids on YouTube and those are bonkers. But because they are cartoonish/caritures it doesn't bother me as much.
So yeah, people need to calm the hell down and stop jumping at shadows all the bloody time. Cause if this comes up every time, it's gonna be a long ride till we get over that valley.
That or Bioware being a bug bite of lazy nitwits that think they can put less effort in and still expect to reach insane sell numbers beacuase it is a "Mass Effect".
I'm more inclined to think that he identifies as a porcine hell-beast. [http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/1/18/Ganon_(Oracle_of_Ages_%26_Oracle_of_Seasons).png/revision/latest?cb=20100413011018]altnameJag said:
I mean, that's how he dresses when he's alone.
Thats it exactly though. Same with Bethesda and the Fallout/Skyrim games. They just expect people to fix their mistakes for them so don't put a huge amount of effort in besides building a framework. Bioware hide behide progressivness and their fans and any critisisms are the work of evil right wing internet trolls.MerlinCross said:
I will say, I had zero interest in ME:A (nor any Bioware game since ME2) and still don't but I watched the PeeBee sex scene on YouTube because Biowares sex scenes are always comedy gold and holy shit it was hilarious. I advise people to go search it out (though it does have nipples in it so careful now).
It's kind of genius that EA/Bioware are pushing diversity so hard because it pretty blatantly something they hide behind to deflect critisism.
In fact here:
https://youtu.be/Wwtjk1En3gw
Watch that (NSFW) scene and tell me that is animation you'd expect from a game with a $40 million budget. Someone should be held accountable for how awful that is and no amount of "but the sexamists comments on the interbutts" should excuse it.
Yes, but it's apparently very important for lore reasons that Gabon was born a male porcine hell-beast.bastardofmelbourne said:
I guess, anyway. I mean, technically speaking, he isn't "born" at all most of the time. Heck, considering how heavily the lore's been hijacked around that point, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't actually ever Gerudo. He just pulled a changeling and went full brood parasite to get the support of a warrior tribe.
Oh hey look, it's a big budget highly antisipated game? What can we ***** about? Oh one of the people that worked on it is a bit of a shitbag. And there is a girl in there who probably did a half-assed job, nevermind that animation fixes were probably cut from the EA deadline budget because EA is EA and EA is shit (not quite Konami but *shrug*).
This is all a non-issue.
Is the game fun? If yes, great. If no, then don't buy it.
The individual views of the people behind the game don't matter if it isn't a toxic mark within the game itself. How many products do you think you buy in your day to day life that might have had a KKK member touch it somewhere in the assembly line? Does that suddenly make cookies not taste good? Does it somehow many your car not drive as well?
No it fucking doesn't. If people wanna have shitty views then let them, so long as those views don't physically harm anyone. And certainly don't let it affect the enjoyment of a game that you might have really really loved if you didn't know anything about the people behind it. Because frankly Mass Effect took a lot more than one woman to animate, or one random racist to program and design.
You ever work in a job where your boss is a complete asshole? Does that mean people should support your business, because your boss is a prick? Because if you say yes, then that puts you out of a job too. So...be careful how you throw stones.
This is all a non-issue.
Is the game fun? If yes, great. If no, then don't buy it.
The individual views of the people behind the game don't matter if it isn't a toxic mark within the game itself. How many products do you think you buy in your day to day life that might have had a KKK member touch it somewhere in the assembly line? Does that suddenly make cookies not taste good? Does it somehow many your car not drive as well?
No it fucking doesn't. If people wanna have shitty views then let them, so long as those views don't physically harm anyone. And certainly don't let it affect the enjoyment of a game that you might have really really loved if you didn't know anything about the people behind it. Because frankly Mass Effect took a lot more than one woman to animate, or one random racist to program and design.
You ever work in a job where your boss is a complete asshole? Does that mean people should support your business, because your boss is a prick? Because if you say yes, then that puts you out of a job too. So...be careful how you throw stones.
Try unseeing THIS.bastardofmelbourne said:
http://imgur.com/PyuHsd8
How the HELL that made it past the testers without screaming is beyond me.
Honestly, the game is a wreck for a lot of reasons, I've seen characters randomly Tpose during dialogue and way worse animation fuckups than that one. I'm not surprised that people are looking for someone to blame considering Bioware is simultaniously loved for its earlier titles and hated for its later ones. And I'm also not surprised that people latched onto tiny things like Cora's haircut or peebee's cute face to focus their bitching around.
MrCalavera said:
Ganon is Evil-Jesus, born of that evil entity from Skyward Sword into that prophetic rare male Gerudo. Should be noted that there is just the one Ganon. Unlike Link and Zelda, it is the same guy from Ocarina of Time, revived/freed, rather than being a new one too. Like Dracula from Castlevania.altnameJag said:
Not to mention they've been an established part of the lore! And last I checked a line of code that allows exploration in a game set around exploration is more a feature than something to criticize. Also you have the option to not use horses in Skyrim and Oblivion, you don't really have the option to not interact with characters.CyanCat47 said:
I'm actually seeing a fair amount of critique for how poorly handled the "diverse" characters in the game were written. Just scrolling through a Mass Effect search on Twitter I've seen a fair amount of trans people mock the writing of the trans character in the game. It seems like Bioware Montreal's writers think that treating trans people like their aliens is a great way of representing them in games.
Its not.
Instead of writing characters in such a sloppy manner, they should practice what a lot of people who identify as "progressives" preach and treat trans people (or any people who can get stuffed in the "diverse" box) like a normal person. Because, you know, they are.
I'm a Black Man for example. I'm getting kind of tired of mostly White Progressives thinking that I need to be "represented more" in video games and other media. It comes of as patronizing and it frankly shows that people with such sociopolitical inclinations don't think of people of colour or the LGBTQ+ community as equal. If you want to fight for equality, start treating people equally, not like they're special.
People need to stop being offended for other people.
Now more to the point of the critique that the new Mass Effect is getting, there seems to be a lot of legit gripes with the game that people are going to label as coming from "the alt-right" and other meaningless buzzwords. The animations do suck in a lot of cases. The story is not consistently good. The open world exploration isn't really rewarding. The first 2 planets are awfully designed. I could go on but the reviews have covered all the problems.
This is what happens when you hand off a flagship title to the C-Team. There has been news of many leads from Bioware Montreal leaving in the past few years as compared to Bioware Edmonton. Some complaints about the culture of working there not being good have come up.
We need to get of this meme of "people who don't like this game I wanna like are just trolls" in gaming. It rewards companies for making sub-par games and has them think they can ignore valuable criticism.
Its not.
Instead of writing characters in such a sloppy manner, they should practice what a lot of people who identify as "progressives" preach and treat trans people (or any people who can get stuffed in the "diverse" box) like a normal person. Because, you know, they are.
I'm a Black Man for example. I'm getting kind of tired of mostly White Progressives thinking that I need to be "represented more" in video games and other media. It comes of as patronizing and it frankly shows that people with such sociopolitical inclinations don't think of people of colour or the LGBTQ+ community as equal. If you want to fight for equality, start treating people equally, not like they're special.
People need to stop being offended for other people.
Now more to the point of the critique that the new Mass Effect is getting, there seems to be a lot of legit gripes with the game that people are going to label as coming from "the alt-right" and other meaningless buzzwords. The animations do suck in a lot of cases. The story is not consistently good. The open world exploration isn't really rewarding. The first 2 planets are awfully designed. I could go on but the reviews have covered all the problems.
This is what happens when you hand off a flagship title to the C-Team. There has been news of many leads from Bioware Montreal leaving in the past few years as compared to Bioware Edmonton. Some complaints about the culture of working there not being good have come up.
We need to get of this meme of "people who don't like this game I wanna like are just trolls" in gaming. It rewards companies for making sub-par games and has them think they can ignore valuable criticism.
The game might be sub standard or bad, I don't know, and I won't until I have played it or see more reviews. However it is rather disingenuous to suggest that a significant portion of the back lash doesn't come from people with an ax to grind. There are trolls spreading misinformation and blowing things out of proportion for all high profile games, you don't have to look further than this months releases and the meta bombing of Zelda:BotW and Horizon: Zero Dawn.AzrealMaximillion said: