I both agree and disagree with this. First of all, what species would be so insane that it would even TRY using a form of interstellar travel at lightspeed or slower? Nobody wan'ts to get on a ship heading towardsa destination they will never see. That and the cost and delicacy of creating an artificial environment for an organic species to sustain generations of spacefarers is nightmarish and needlessly expensive. Any intelligent beings out there capable of travelling between stars would have had to pass some sort of technological singularity, probably becoming their version of our posthumans/transhumans, or sending machines out for them. Antimatter rockets are a dumb idea good only for in-system travel, not for interstellar travel. Trying to get from earth to the nearest star at lightspeed is like trying to get from boston harbor to england in a rowboat. Unless we can find some sort of fancy schmancy sci-fi type system of reliable FTL travel (hopefully that doesn't involve crossing through Hell or a hell-like place/dimension) Any species that CAN cross the distance between the stars in less than umpteen generations while avoiding the effects of travelling at relative speeds would most likely be more machine than whatever it originally was, if not machine outright.KrabbiPatty said:Of course I do.
People overstate just how "otherworldly" aliens are. First off, statistically there is almost a certainty that aliens exist, and intelligent life, even if phenomenally rare, must have evolved somewhere else because nothing happens in a void. If it happened here it can theoretically happen almost anywhere, for obvious reasons (e.g., the laws of physics are identical across the universe so anything happening here must, by definition, be just as possible anywhere else under similar circumstances).
And interstellar travel requires only a large supply of antimatter and the willingness to spend years traveling between systems at relativistic speed. Many, many, many physicists and scientists on Earth have already drawn up a multitude of ways to build antimatter rockets for this very reason and any one of them is equally plausible, given a sufficient technology base...and that only requires they're a few thousand or tens of thousands of years older than we are, or got lucky.
In my opinion, people don't want to accept the possibility of alien life and by extension visitation, because it IS admittedly scary to admit that not only are we not alone but our roommates happy to be hundreds or thousands of years more advanced than us. But from a realistic standpoint nothing makes alien life or visitation "impossible" or even "improbable". Indeed the only improbable thing is that we're alone in the universe, or that every other possible species is completely non-intelligent. It's wishful thinking by people who don't want their apple cart upended.
And there's nothing WRONG with that. But let's not pretend that this is something so bizarre and alien when in fact, scientists on Earth already have drawn up designs for interstellar arks and spacecraft and our civilization only gained space travel a few decades ago. In fact we had realistic designs for nuclear powered spacecraft on the table in the 60s, when they were talking about high-end estimates being ships the size of skyscrapers capable of traveling at nearly 80% of light-speed, IN THE SIXTIES. (no bullshit, look up "Orion Drive") A race a few hundred or thousand years older could easily have built more sophisticated designs--or not, the Orion designs were perfectly serviceable. Oh and yeah, they did kind of look like the spaceships people claim to see...so yeah...aliens exist.
Really now? What is your broad definition of "life"? Where was it you studied and earned your Biology Doctorate to have such authority? Oh and look at this, you seem to have earned a PhD in Psychology too! Wikipedia U sure is getting their monies worth from you!karamazovnew said:Nope. Simple probability is the only "evidence" that we're not alone in the Universe. And I have a pretty broad definition of "life". But I don't believe that we're visited/guided/ruled by aliens of any kind. The "aliens" phenomenon is just a mass psychological symptom of our western society's departure from the classical organized religion.
Whether or not aliens actively experiment on humans is far out of reach of my knowing. But I still would not be quick to dismiss. Look at humans, how often do we hide and experiment on "lesser" life forms? All the damn time. How often do we hide and experiment on other humans? All the damn time.ripdajacker said:Their existence is probable, but that they hide and experiment on us? Unlikely.
Probability theory tells us life exists elsewhere.
This. Probability alone suggests there are thousands, if not millions, of civilizations in this universe alone. Though it's highly unlikely they're actually visiting us.karamazovnew said:Nope. Simple probability is the only "evidence" that we're not alone in the Universe. And I have a pretty broad definition of "life". But I don't believe that we're visited/guided/ruled by aliens of any kind. The "aliens" phenomenon is just a mass psychological symptom of our western society's departure from the classical organized religion.
I think the question you meant to ask was "Do you believe UFO's belong to aliens?".Hummmy said:Today while I was getting lost in YouTube I found this video again that I had seen a few months ago now and thought I'd share it with you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo
I'm sure some of you have already seen it, then again, I'm sure some of you have not.
Now I don't really want to get into big debate over whether aliens are real or not but I mean, that's some pretty weird shit going on there..
I've always been undecided on whether I think aliens are real or not, It's such a hard thing to get your head around, but I always think that with the size of the universe and everything that's in it, can we really be the only lifeforms in it?
So I just wanted to ask all the escapee's if you think aliens are real or not?
Do you think we'll ever make contact?
What the hell are the things in that video?
I know these are huge questions and if any of us truly knew the answer we wouldn't be sitting on here, I just want to know all of your thoughts on the matter.
Cheers!