Houseman said:
Yes, because I understand how analogies work. Do you? Do you know that you can compare ASPECTS of two DIFFERENT things, without comparing the thing as a whole?
Of course I do. I just find the analogy to be stupid, as to make an effective analogy, the two different situations ought to at least be of comparable severity. Comparing pizza delivery to slavery is so disproportionate that it's ludicrous. I mean, holy crap dude. Why not go for Godwin and through Nazism in there while you're-
People lost their jobs as slaves too. People lost their jobs as nazis.
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Oooookaaayyyy then.
Accepted.
I find the system that makes you live off of what amounts to monetary table scraps insulting.
...or not. I mentioned before that I still make minimum wage. Didn't I say that I make minimum wage?
We do.
So, if you'd like, think about this war as a selfish one instead. Think of it as we're not fighting for you and your dignity, but ourselves and our dignities. If you want to live off of monetary table scraps like a beggar in the street, that's your lifestyle, and more power to you. We're not fighting you, we're fighting your employer.
We're oppressed and fearful. There is a huge social stigma applied to us if we don't tip. We're afraid of getting our food spat in, so much so that we automatically tip 15% on the web form before we even experience the service ourselves.
Hopefully that makes you feel better.
Ah, finally some honesty!
See, I don't really care if you tip or not. Sure, it's a nice thing to do for the guy that just drove your food to your house, and it's kinda sucky to not give him anything for that. But pretending that you're doing it for his sake as a sort of "fight the system for the little people" when the only people that are being screwed are the little people is pretty damned insulting. But hey, now you're owning up to the fact that it's really for yourself, which is what I was shooting for all along. Great. Now we can move past that and go on to your plan.
But my first thought would be cast a line out on here and other online forums about this idea, gather feedback and criticism, as well as interested people, and then draw up a better version of that card.
Then I'd make the card accessible for anyone to download and print out. Maybe start a sub-reddit so people could have a hub to gather.
That's it. People print out cards, cut them out, and give them to people who live off of tips. That's my plan so far.
So...your plan is to first stiff the driver on the tip, then hand them a card for their boss complaining about tip culture, and expect them to deliver it for you?
Yeah, already seeing a couple problems with that.
First of all, we're not your mailmen. We're responsible for your pizza delivery order, not for delivering those messages. If someone hands me a card explaining why he shouldn't tip and asks me to deliver to my boss for them, then they'd better at least give me a couple bucks for an additional delivery charge. Otherwise, that card's going in the trash. And if he keeps giving them to me, I'm going to collect them all, stick them in an envelope, and mail them back.
"But we'll be helping them receive a decent wage!"
That's nice. But seeing how that's not going to happen overnight, maybe actually giving them a tip along with the card will make the drivers actually get on board with your plan, and help them cover the costs in the meantime. Change doesn't happen overnight.
Well then I take it back.
You're too kind.
He's not a helpless cog. Just a cog.
Guilty as charged. We all are, on one wheel or another. But this cog likes his wheels and doesn't feel like delivering your mail for you.
Oh, and reading through your posts about revolutions and needs of the many and whatnot, something's occurred to me. You went on and on about how some jobs may be lost and how I may end up as collateral but that's all in the service of the greater good of not having to tip (which you don't have to anyway. And by the by, I've worked delivery for three and a half years and have seen a lot of stiffs. And yet, I've never messed with anyone's orders, and neither have anyone I worked with. The worse regular stiffers can expect from me and my coworkers is that my smile with be a little strained. So...from whence comes this great and oppressive terror?)...but what exactly are you risking? What are you putting on the line here for your big revolution? Because I see this as being zero risk for you, ton of risk for us. And that's the reason why I'm not standing with you or delivering your little messages. You're not fighting for us, and you expect us to shoulder all the cost. Keep. Your. Cards.
Then he can write a letter to the CEO or something. I'll put that on the card.
Yeah, I'm gonna let Dean Ambrose answer this for me.
Thank you Dean.
But hey, I've thought of a good compromise! Instead of stiffing the driver and expecting him to deliver your letters for you, why don't you order your pizza for carryout, go pick it up yourself, ask to see the owner (because nothing else will work, as general managers are just as much a poor, little cog as the drivers are) and give it to them yourself? That way, everyone wins! The driver doesn't have their time wasted on a stiffed delivery, you get your pizza without the gripping fear of what will happen to you if you don't tip, and the card is guaranteed to go to it's intended recipient.