Does Being Politically Incorrect Makes You A Bigot?

[Level 7 Dragon]

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

Most try, however even the questioning# someone's gender identity can be considered hate speech in certain spaces. Just look at the Jordan B Peterson scandal. A university professor refused to use Xer/Zer/Xerself/Zerself pronouns, since he found them artificial and a byproduct of ideology, rather than of natural social progress. After making that statement, various protests organized refusing debate and demanding him to be fired.

The man is fairly open about the issue of transgender rights and anti-descrimination, though he had multible difficulties organizing a large scale debate due to a fringe faction that kept shutting down his platform, claiming that even a discussion and critique of queer theory is a form of hate speech.

The man documented the whole saga on his channel. There are plenty of interesting lectures and in-depth debates with various biology and transgender studies experts and activists.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_f53ZEJxp8TtlOkHwMV9Q

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I wish I could just leave it with that question without adding any context. To avoid having this post getting modded for low content, I'll add some context.

I was noticing that conservatives and liberals were describing Donald Trump's controversial comments differently. People who were for Trump described them as being "politically incorrect" while liberals against Trump were calling them "racist".

So, does being politically incorrect makes you a bigot?

This question is just weirdly phrased. For one, 'politically incorrect' is how people typically describe themselves whereas 'racist' is how people typically describe others. Very few people describe themselves as politically correct and nearly nobody calls themselves racists. In any case, communism is politically incorrect in America but it isn't bigoted. So no.

In any case, whenever people describe themselves as politically incorrect, I expect some level of bigotry. Like I expect fire to be hot. It was hot the first fifty times I encountered it, so why should this time be different.

Political correctness is a cancer that destroys free speech I'm not saying we should not eliminate genuine hatred wherever we find it but political correctness should also be eliminated

Yeah, protect free speech by destroying a mindset you disagree with. That's how it works.

If your mindset is that you should be able to limit free speech, you lose the right to claim to use it when people rise up against you. It's kinda like slavery, if you think it is your right to deny others their rights as free people it is to protect, not damage human rights to take your right to own slaves away from you.

So since you claim that those who want to limit free speech lose their right to free speech, does that mean others can limit your right to free speech too, since you want to limit the free speech of others who want to limit free speech? Fighting hypocrisy with hypocrisy seems like a bad idea. Free speech starts with respecting that of others, even if their views are abhorrent to you. Your slavery example doesn't work, since owning others violates their rights, but calling for the abolition of freedom of speech does not itself violate freedom of speech or any other right anyone might have. There is a difference between saying you want to do something and doing it.

They do not lose their right to free speech, they will just be risen against and they can't claim to be using free speech without sounding like hypocrites, they still have the right to it and I obviously do not advocate for jailing them or anything so I don't get where you got that I wanted to take their right to free speech away. No, what happens to them is that there is such distate for them that people would rather elect Trump just to give them the middle finger and risk the world blowing up.

The only difference is wether or not one has the power to do what they wanna do, the morality of the act doesn't change because you are too powerless to pull it off. I would not have someone who wishes really badly to own slaves in any higher regard than someone who did own them.

Also, a lot of places do more than just talk about it. When people make laws that say misgendering someone is a hate crime, that is more than simply talks of limiting free speech, that is action.

 

[Dizchu]

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

This is what really annoys me. If someone uses stupid pronouns and has a gender identity you insist doesn't exist chances are you're not going to be associating with them in the first place. These people are a minority within a minority and may seem abundant on the internet where people dedicate entire Youtube channels and Tumblr blogs to finding and humiliating these people but in real life? Nah, unless you specifically go to LGBT groups you won't find them.

 

[Saelune]

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

Most try, however even the questioning on someone's gender identity can be considered hate speech in certain areas. Just look at the Jordan B Peterson scandal. A university professor refused to use Xer/Zer/Xerself/Zerself pronouns, since he found them artificial and a byproduct of ideology, rather than of natural social progress. After making that statement, various protests organized refusing debate and demanding him to be fired.

The man is fairly open about the issue of transgender rights and anti-descrimination, though he had multible difficulties organizing a large scale debate due to a fringe faction that kept shutting down his platform, claiming that even a discussion and critique of queer theory is a form of hate speech.

The man documented the whole saga on his channel. There are plenty of interesting lectures and in-depth debates with various biology and transgender studies experts and activists.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_f53ZEJxp8TtlOkHwMV9Q

He could have liked...talked to them about it instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

 

[Saelune]

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

This is what really annoys me. If someone uses stupid pronouns and has a gender identity you insist doesn't exist chances are you're not going to be associating with them in the first place. These people are a minority within a minority and may seem abundant on the internet where people dedicate entire Youtube channels and Tumblr blogs to finding and humiliating these people but in real life? Nah, unless you specifically go to LGBT groups you won't find them.

I think such things are silly too. But Im trans, and Im a furry, and people think Im silly for these things. Me? I already tend to avoid forcing gender pronouns on people. They and them are very useful in that regard. If a friend of mine was like that, Id probably think it silly, but I wouldnt go out of my way to put them down for it. If it doesnt hurt others, and makes them happy, why the fuck should I care?

 

[Saelune]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

 

[Level 7 Dragon]

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

Most try, however even the questioning on someone's gender identity can be considered hate speech in certain areas. Just look at the Jordan B Peterson scandal. A university professor refused to use Xer/Zer/Xerself/Zerself pronouns, since he found them artificial and a byproduct of ideology, rather than of natural social progress. After making that statement, various protests organized refusing debate and demanding him to be fired.

The man is fairly open about the issue of transgender rights and anti-descrimination, though he had multible difficulties organizing a large scale debate due to a fringe faction that kept shutting down his platform, claiming that even a discussion and critique of queer theory is a form of hate speech.

The man documented the whole saga on his channel. There are plenty of interesting lectures and in-depth debates with various biology and transgender studies experts and activists.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_f53ZEJxp8TtlOkHwMV9Q

He could have liked...talked to them about it instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

He didn't tell anybody who they are and he's a generally calm person. He just thought that certain non-binary pronouns are a silly concept.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

 

[Saelune]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

I dont like blocking people. I have 0 people blocked here. But I dont use twitter.

 

[RaikuFA]

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

Are you Hideki Kamiya?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

I dont like blocking people. I have 0 people blocked here. But I dont use twitter.

The block button is your best friend. Use it. Abuse it. Life is too short.

Edit: I only have 2 people on my Escapist ignore list, and that's because every time they've been mean to me.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

Are you Hideki Kamiya?

who?

 

[Saelune]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

I dont like blocking people. I have 0 people blocked here. But I dont use twitter.

The block button is your best friend. Use it. Abuse it. Life is too short.

Edit: I only have 2 people on my Escapist ignore list, and that's because every time they've been mean to me.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

Are you Hideki Kamiya?

who?

As much as my opponents here like to paint me as some sort of intolerant, anti-free speech SJW monster, I value exposing myself to opposing ideas and views. I wont improve by hiding away from those who disagree, and they wont change if I let them do that either. If people dont want to listen and pretend everything is ok, sometimes you have to pull their fingers out of their ears and make them listen.

Too many times in history have people been so willing to block out things that make them uncomfortable, but they need to be made uncomfortable, because they need to see what is wrong with the world so it can be made right.

 

[09philj]

Only if you're doing it deliberately.

 

[RaikuFA]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

I dont like blocking people. I have 0 people blocked here. But I dont use twitter.

The block button is your best friend. Use it. Abuse it. Life is too short.

Edit: I only have 2 people on my Escapist ignore list, and that's because every time they've been mean to me.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

Are you Hideki Kamiya?

who?

Guy in charge of Platinum Games. Famous for blocking people on twitter just because. Getting blocked by him is like getting pissed on by R. Kelly, you don't like it but you're too star struck to care.

 

[Catnip1024]

I'd argue that there's probably not even a correlation. Sure, you get politically incorrect bigots. But you also get politically correct bigots.

Less fuss about bigotry and PC / NPC, more fuss about "don't be a dick". And while we're at it, can we drop the whole "left wing" "right wing" thing? Since these are also largely negative stereotypes that don't actually add anything useful to any discussion.

 

[hermes]

No... sometimes it just makes you an asshole.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I wish I could just leave it with that question without adding any context. To avoid having this post getting modded for low content, I'll add some context.

I was noticing that conservatives and liberals were describing Donald Trump's controversial comments differently. People who were for Trump described them as being "politically incorrect" while liberals against Trump were calling them "racist".

So, does being politically incorrect makes you a bigot?

No that's a weird thing to take away from it. It's just that it's easy for people to defend racist comments by just calling them politically incorrect

 

[Veylon]

There's something to be said for civility, for going to a reasonable effort to treat others with respect and courtesy.

This whole PC/un-PC debate has turned into a practically theological or ideological matter where the tiniest toe out of line is a matter for wholesale revilement and damnation. Nobody seems to have much regard for gray areas.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

No but it might make you a jerk. I've known a few people who used it as an excuse to just be a douche.

This. I tend to find it's always the people that embrace this label are always super confrontational and shit. They're also people that claim they're "telling it like it is"

No. You can't tell it like it is, because you haven't a fucking clue how it is. No one fucking does, I really wish people in general would pull their head out of their ass and realize most of their opinions aren't based on sound judgement. You don't know shit, I don't know shit, no one knows anything. Shit is very complex and ain't nobody got time for that.

I don't think saying controversial things alone makes someone a racist or a bigot or a sexist or ableist or whatever the fuck. In my opinion those things require one thing: Hate in a person's heart nothing more and nothing less.

ya know, it's like the people that see a transgendered person and not want to use the preferred pronouns... which hey, I get the frustration beyond transphobia since I hop on Twitter and it's one thing to want to use They as your pronoun, but some people are flat out making up words. Someone wanted to be called "zhr" I am not making that up. How the fuck do you even pronounce that?

That bullshit aside though, I'm more than happy to just call a person whatever gender they want to be, use whatever pronoun (though granted I'll probably fuck it up)... Is that me being PC? I don't think it is. That's me just being polite and friendly. I don't feel like calling someone their preferred gender affects me in any way what so-ever and it's such a small thing to do that'll make a person feel welcome.

...That is unless the person is making up shit like "zhr" cause then, ya know, fuck off. You're making up shit. There is not even a fucking vowel in that word.

You could like...talk to them about it, instead of just getting mad and telling them what they are.

They're just a random person I saw on Twitter. a single person. Not representive of everyone. and I wouldnt ask them because Unlike 90% of people I don't harass strangers I disagree with on there... mostly. I occasionally I fuck up this rule... I just block and move on. Nothing fruitful can come from that conversation, and I'm relatively sure that person wouldn't want to be my friend anyway... so ya know, I just leave 'em alone. No sense in giving somebody a bad day.

But C'mon Saelune, I'll call anybody what they want to be called when I see this person making up words with no vowels for pronouns that's the point where I start feeling like they're taking the piss. And it's not just a piss at me, it's a piss on actual transfolks that have a hard enough time as it is with the pronoun thing. That's what annoys me. This is just my opinion of course, but I don't feel It's an unreasonable one to have.

I mean hell, if one is going to make up a word can it at least be one I can figure out how to pronounce by looking at it?

Why cant something come of the discussion? Maybe nothing will, but maybe something will, you cannot really know until it happens, and even then, not all ripples are obvious.

Maybe they are taking the piss...but maybe they arent. I know firsthand the difficulties of being trans, and thats WHY I am willing to atleast humor it. Maybe there is something they are going through that I just cannot understand. Maybe they are just finding themselves. Its taken me a long time to understand as much about myself and my gender as I do now, and I still feel lost and confused on who I really am.

Never tell someone else how they feel. Even if they should not logically feel that way, they feel how they feel. Its like punching someone and saying "Oh that didnt hurt" when they say ow. I have very sensitive skin, and bruise easily, but still my brother, my very strong brother will punch me and say that did not hurt, but it did. And it only pisses me off.

Cause theres one thing to engage discussion on a message board, Twitter to me is like having the window open of your house. You pick your neighbors in a following list. echange pleasentrys and jokes. Maybe you do serious topics with people you considering twitterfriends.

But you don't want some random douchebag yelling in through the window "Brah? Why not a real word?" as if I'm really entitled to an answer. I don't always do the best job of it, but I don't wanna be that guy... I don't need to know that badly.

And it is an issue that I... cautiously say matters a bit to me as well though I'm not comfortable sharing it at the moment. Haven't sorted out my own feelings and all that jazz.

Also Re: Feelings, I don't disagree. Pricisely why I believe it's sometimes to just block and give people a wide berth... I actually am somebody who believes how someone feels matters, perhaps even more than facts. I know it's very popular these days for the kids to go "Oh fuck your feelings", but since humans are emotional beings that feels counter intuitive.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

I dont like blocking people. I have 0 people blocked here. But I dont use twitter.

The block button is your best friend. Use it. Abuse it. Life is too short.

Edit: I only have 2 people on my Escapist ignore list, and that's because every time they've been mean to me.

but... it's also not a big deal I blocked zhr. I block people on Twitter for like... no reason. Most of the time it's people that don't even know me.

Are you Hideki Kamiya?

who?

As much as my opponents here like to paint me as some sort of intolerant, anti-free speech SJW monster, I value exposing myself to opposing ideas and views. I wont improve by hiding away from those who disagree, and they wont change if I let them do that either. If people dont want to listen and pretend everything is ok, sometimes you have to pull their fingers out of their ears and make them listen.

Too many times in history have people been so willing to block out things that make them uncomfortable, but they need to be made uncomfortable, because they need to see what is wrong with the world so it can be made right.

I mean I'm less likely to do it on a messageboard and reddit than I am Twitter. Twitter is the open window in your house, message boards are like community centers. I'll go into the community center and shoot the breeze, but I'm not tolerating someone yelling static I don't want to hear into my house, I'll shut the window.

Cause lets be honest, it's not mentally healthy to entertain every argument.