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Biggest disappointment for me this year in regards to Dota 2. Well, besides Valve absolutely ruining Tranquil Boots.[footnote]Seriously. The new TranqBoots are utterly useless. Whoever the hell thought it was a good idea to change them into their current iteration must've been on some really heavy meds.[/footnote] Really saddened they didn't do another event.NightHawk21 said:You forgot the general sadness surrounding no diretide this year
On the plus side, the TF2 event is pretty fantastic.
Common misconceptions and misleading assertions often perpetuated by those not a part of the Dota community.Grach said:
In truth, the Dota 2 community is no more or less "caustic" than any other online community. Anyone asserting as such clearly isn't taking a close enough look at any other online communities.
You get your occasional jerk, asshat, or douche-bag, sure. But that's basically par-for-the-course when it comes to online gaming.
As for the game, there are enough ways to play that any player can ease themselves into learning the ins-and-outs of the mechanics. It even includes a decent tutorial now. It's no where near as "unforgiving" as many assert.
That's a shame. It really is a fun game.
I used to think along the same lines as you years ago when it was still a Warcraft 3 map mod. But once I finally gave Dota 2 a try I learned that many of my preconceived notions about the game and the community were woefully incorrect.
If I may make a suggestion, I think it's best to simply stop listening to others complain (many of whom probably never played the game) about the game and just try it for yourself.
Like I'd said in my previous post, the Dota 2 community is no where near as "toxic" as many claim. In fact, most of the people I've heard assert as much often either don't play the game at all or played one or two matches, ran into an abrasive player, and then generalized the entire community as being like that player.Zachary Amaranth said:
If anything, games like Call of Duty breed far more toxic communities.
And that's not some blind assertion. Just look up a collection of Call of Duty and Dota 2 tournament videos. Then, just observe the behaviors of the players in a given match.
There is a much greater chance of you seeing the Call of Duty players jumping around, slamming controllers, screaming, cursing, and just generally acting out of control than the chance you'll see the Dota 2 players acting the same.
But as support items they are terrible.Maiev Shadowsong said:
You basically have two options while laning with the new boots.
Be useful by denying or harassing, but lose the benefits of the boots. (Rendering them pointless)
- or -
Be useless by standing around doing nothing the whole time but gain some nice heals. (Rendering you a pointless support)
Really, they're just awful. The biggest problem being that interminable 13 second cooldown until they go active again. And now, given the changes to Tangos, the new TranqBoots are made even more pointless.
Yeah? I saw my cousin play for a while. The guys that he played with reported each other for simply being bad at the game. So, no thanks.Vigormortis said:
Except it still sounds very hard to get into, nevermind me being not into MOBAs in general. Again, no thank you.Vigormortis said:
DotA is a game I love to hate.
I enjoy the game itself. I don't enjoy the other players.
I can cope with my own poor performance. But it's really hard to deal with other players failing. It is demoralising playing your best, but you still lose because of your team's performance overall. It's like, to secure a win you must play so well that you actually carry your team enough that you actually obliterate the enemy. Those factors rarely coincide.
But yeah, my last game went down very well. Carry-Support Abaddon ftw (when the team setup lets it).
Problem is with random match making, you won't get a balanced team. You need a support. You need an initiator. You need a carry.
Random players fail at executing turtle strategies or aggressive pushing.
I enjoy the game itself. I don't enjoy the other players.
I can cope with my own poor performance. But it's really hard to deal with other players failing. It is demoralising playing your best, but you still lose because of your team's performance overall. It's like, to secure a win you must play so well that you actually carry your team enough that you actually obliterate the enemy. Those factors rarely coincide.
But yeah, my last game went down very well. Carry-Support Abaddon ftw (when the team setup lets it).
Problem is with random match making, you won't get a balanced team. You need a support. You need an initiator. You need a carry.
Random players fail at executing turtle strategies or aggressive pushing.
Okay? You watched a few matches and that's indicative of the entire game and community?Grach said:
The vast majority of the matches I and others I know have been in have been nothing like the one you described.
There would be the occasional match where a few jerks with "smurf" accounts would comprise the entirety of the other team and would trash talk the entire match. But again: that's true of every online community.
The only time you will consistently run into abrasive players is if you're stuck in the low-priority pool; of which you end up in by either being a jerk or quitting too many matches.
If your cousin consistently ends up with those kinds of players, I can't help but assume he's in the low-priority pool. Out of curiosity, how long has he been playing?
If you're not into the genre, that's fine. I can appreciate that.
I'm just trying to tell you that it is a good game. One that can be both incredibly fun and rewarding if given the chance. And, it's really not that hard to get into.
No, I'm seriousshrekfan246 said:Unless you're making a joke as well, I think you missed it.AWAR said:No, just no..
You see the actual average players play Dota.
It's the impatient people who are not willing to invest time in the game that uninstall it after their first loss.
Right now there are 476.000 people currently playing that game. It's always the number 1 most played game on steam so I don't really think the "average Dota player" uninstalls it after their first game
But the thing is, a few tangos solves most of your healing needs now. And, for the occasions where you're far too low in HP for tangos or salves to help, a trip to the fountain and back is actually faster than the boots regen.Maiev Shadowsong said:
Likewise, by the time you're in need of more tangos or heals you'll have an Urn or a Mek. And, by that point, you'll likely be wanting mana boots instead of the TranqBoots.
If I'm honest, I think it would have been much better to have either just removed the dismantle aspect of the old boots or to shorten the 13 second cooldown on the current ones. (or, perhaps, to have changed the recipe. make them a bit more expensive)
As they are now, the only heroes I can see them being useful on are Bounty Hunter (who spends most of his time roaming anyway), or a very small number of supports that have skills they can spam to some degree. (as in, they don't ever really need to right click)
I guess my biggest problem with them is the simple fact that I can't really be a fully effective support. It's that choice of either harassing/denying or roaming. With the current boots I can do only one of them effectively. With the old boots I could do both.