DOTA

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I only did this once because DOTA is a shit game IMO.

 

[Gorrath]

See, I have to disagree with this a bit. I played a ton of LoL and a significant amount of DOTA2 and the thing that gets me about the communities that surround both DOTA2 and LoL is that they are VERY toxic. Now what I mean by toxic is that they go beyond just being abrasive and start to actually interfere with your ability to enjoy and even play the games. The constant threat of being reported for "feeding" when someone is simply new and doesn't understand a lot about the game is a very toxic environment. And these threats are hardly rare. The constant barrage of abuse is one thing, the out and out accusations of purposefully tanking matches followed by several players reporting you for abuse is asinine and goes beyond even the juvenile antics found in COD.

People don't like losing, and I understand that, but the way they react to even someone being somewhat sub-par is freaking ridiculous. While I always tried to be as inclusive and understanding as possible with new players, I was in a tiny minority. I've been in fistfights that I found more enjoyable than some matches of DOTA2 and LoL that I played.

Maybe I and those I know are in a minority when it comes to Dota players, but much of the behavior you've described rarely occurs in our matches.

Unless, as I'd said in another post, you're stuck in the low-priority match-making pool. This is usually the only time I've seen that kind of behavior. But then, most of the people that get stuck in the low-priority pool are there because they're not exactly the shining-beacons of good sportsmanship.

It might also be an occasion of most of us only playing when we can get a few together in a party. Many of us rarely, if ever, solo-queue.
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Well I've no way to prove my good sportsmanship, all I can do is offer my word that I am enthusiastically friendly, especially when people are new and have trouble, and this is with all the games I play. Not that I expect you'll take my word on it. I have no friends who play DOTA2 much so I am always solo. I've had matches with good players as well of course, those who are understanding and helpful. I am speaking in mere generalities when it comes to my experiences as a whole, which I would never claim trump your own. I would say though that I am not the only person to have found quite a lot of vitriol and hate in the MOBA community though, and I don't think its rather bad reputation is an unearned one. I am glad you've got friends to play with though, as I do find the actual game itself quite fun and engaging!

 

[Supdupadog]

All I got from this comic: DOTA2 is bad?

It's not a bad game.

It's just not very accessible and filled with idiosyncrasies and a breaking in period that lasts awhile even with coaching.

Which wouldn't be a big problem if it didn't also have a community that will absolutely get in your grill for not knowing those idiosyncrasies. Even in bot games.

And don't think it gets better if you make it out of the breaking period. My BF actually knows how to play the game decent and PvP matches will just leave him fuming from the people.

And don't ever mention if you came from/play League of Legends. Just so much animosity with the community on that.

 

[Neonit]

huh? I guess either the entire internet has some anger issues, or im some kind of peacefulness guru.

you just need to ignore the idiots, and move on. i dont get why people get so easily angry....

 

[briankoontz]

Except it still sounds very hard to get into, nevermind me being not into MOBAs in general. Again, no thank you.

The comic is entirely accurate. I played LoL at the lowest level (weakest bots) and was not terrible (merely mediocre to poor) at the game and was frequently insulted as if I had screwed up at a high-level tournament. It's completely out of hand.

 

[james.sponge]

Hmmmmm, apparently Erin never watched this video:


The game seems pretty easy to me. :3

It's not as easy now, Huskar can't use his orb attack while ghosted

Ded gaem VOLVO disband!

Also I'd include this guide as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLOlGkipXyU

 

[Lyri]

DOTA

A day in the life of the average DOTA 2 player.

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You could always join the Official DotA2 user group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/DotA-2] of the Escapist and vent about it ;D.

I play DotA a lot, I love the game but I understand that there are tonnes of frustrations that people will deal with. It can be hard to overcome the difficult intro into the game.

 

[Lyri]

Really, they're just awful. The biggest problem being that interminable 13 second cooldown until they go active again. And now, given the changes to Tangos, the new TranqBoots are made even more pointless.

They're hardly pointless, they allow you to have sustainability in the lane and trade hits more freely. Sure they will go on CD for a while but those 13 seconds can be circumnavigated by using the downtime to stack pull, deny, ward, roam.
They're really not that bad and they are no longer a free salve when you need one.

 

[Fat Hippo]

And that's why you play Dota 2 with friends...

...Dota 2 is also a game where the player adapts to the game, not the other way around.

No. You do not ever play DOTA or DOTA 2 with friends. It will destroy your friendships if you play with those friends competitively. Slowly tearing apart your friendship while you hold back your rage for each other because you mess up.

So far I've been able to keep a friendly relationship with my brother when I play LoL with him, which is almost the only times I do play LoL. Mostly it's achieved by blaming all other players, and never each other, for anything and everything. Not in the chat, obviously, but just to each other. "God that teemo sucks, what the fuck is he doing" etc. It's worked pretty well for us.

 

[Muspelheim]

Whoa, is that a VGA cable? Is she a cave woman or something?

VGA cable is all could find in secret Politbureau dumping ground. Perhaps Erin woman story is like mine? Ground was frozen. Hard to dig. Made noise smashing ice with rock. Had to take what I could.

I still have scars from edges of sharp diskettes, jutting out like glass in darkness...

Such is life.

 

[Something Amyss]

Like I'd said in my previous post, the Dota 2 community is no where near as "toxic" as many claim.

You can claim it as many times as you want, you appear to be a stark minority.

 

[Lyri]

Like I'd said in my previous post, the Dota 2 community is no where near as "toxic" as many claim.

You can claim it as many times as you want, you appear to be a stark minority.

People carry over the claims from the G-Arena and Bnet days, the community now is much better than it once was.

 

[prpshrt]

pfff ern srsly qt dotes2 affer plyin? wut scrub she is. casul fgt. dont evn no hw to uss prper champ sklzz cos she suc a casul fgt. i she were prop pro totes uz legt balanked hro lke faeclss vod ro pantem lanca. bt no she jss a no skil tar so no prise cannt pley gaem. go bk 2 ur legaue of smit crisis noob

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Congrats to anyone who can translate that, I'm not sure I can

I got past the first sentence! Where's my cookie x_X

OT: I respectfully disagree. I just take a quick breather, cuss a little and go play GW 2 for like 10 minutes to calm down. My suite mate on the other hand throws his mouse across the room. How it has not broken on him I still do not understand.

 

[Ferisar]

Like I'd said in my previous post, the Dota 2 community is no where near as "toxic" as many claim.

You can claim it as many times as you want, you appear to be a stark minority.

People carry over the claims from the G-Arena and Bnet days, the community now is much better than it once was.

That is true of a lot of online communities that have once been seen as generally terribad.

Well, some. Probably not CoD, but even then, why even have your sound on while playing CoD?

 

[Lyri]

That is true of a lot of online communities that have once been seen as generally terribad.

Well, some. Probably not CoD, but even then, why even have your sound on while playing CoD?

Do you want an honest answer, not based in Xbox live experience?

I didn't play Call of Duty on the Xbox, I played Call of Duty: Modern Warfare on the PC. I played in tournies and there is no way you would want to play without headphones.
You can hear the most minute detail that gives you the edge in the game, if you're concentrating on it that is and not on the dude telling you how badly your momma loves to suck cock.

 

[Akisa]

All I got from this comic: DOTA2 is bad?

It's not a bad game.

It's just not very accessible and filled with idiosyncrasies and a breaking in period that lasts awhile even with coaching.

Which wouldn't be a big problem if it didn't also have a community that will absolutely get in your grill for not knowing those idiosyncrasies. Even in bot games.

And don't think it gets better if you make it out of the breaking period. My BF actually knows how to play the game decent and PvP matches will just leave him fuming from the people.

And don't ever mention if you came from/play League of Legends. Just so much animosity with the community on that.

I disagree people were very supportive when I was learning the game. The number of jerks who attempt to grill you I can on one hand after over 200 games.

 

[Vigormortis]

The changing meta has been so cool to experience. It was never stale, but I was getting kind of sick of certain lineups. The various changes they made look so promising. I look forward to seeing a wider range of heroes be much more viable. I thought I was going to dislike such a big change, but overall the game feels better than ever. I love how they handle nerfs and buffs: they don't just nuke a hero like Wisp or Bat into the ground. They slightly alter them to balance out issues.

I think the boots will chance again in upcoming patches. I don't think they'll ever be like they were, but they'll tweak numbers and the such. Who knows. Maybe phase will be the boot of choice for supports in a month lol.

I wish they'd give Skele King some love though. He's still not viable in almost any team. He's just too easy to kite

Oh, I absolutely agree. It's actually quite exciting to see the new meta taking shape after such a drastic alteration to so many heroes and items.

I'm actually curious if some teams will adopt a "caster" Riki, given he can use items without decloaking. Or if some will attempt a jungle Meepo, since he can now ult at level 4.

As for the boots...I gotta admit...I'd LOVE to see Phase Boots as a main for supports. Something about it just seems...hilariously improbable.

SK can be alright, if he has a decent support helping him get farmed. But I agree, he needs more love.

In fact, I'm still not entirely sure why Valve removed the active from his crit passive. I actually found it to be a fairly useful skill.

But maybe that's just me. I don't know.

 

[Vigormortis]

Well I've no way to prove my good sportsmanship, all I can do is offer my word that I am enthusiastically friendly, especially when people are new and have trouble, and this is with all the games I play. Not that I expect you'll take my word on it.

I'm willing to take your word on it predicated on the idea that I can't think of a reason you'd willingly lie just to prove a point in such a inconsequential conversation as you and I are having. It would be as pointless as me lying to prove my point.

It would achieve nothing. As such, I'm willing to take your word.

I have no friends who play DOTA2 much so I am always solo. I've had matches with good players as well of course, those who are understanding and helpful. I am speaking in mere generalities when it comes to my experiences as a whole, which I would never claim trump your own. I would say though that I am not the only person to have found quite a lot of vitriol and hate in the MOBA community though, and I don't think its rather bad reputation is an unearned one. I am glad you've got friends to play with though, as I do find the actual game itself quite fun and engaging!

Oh, I don't deny that the community is inundated with it's fair share of ill-tempered players. I've come across plenty in my 1,000+ hours of play time. Even so I still say that, as a whole, the community is more accepting, or just simply apathetic, than it is vitriolic.

Just as it is with most online gaming communities out there.

Really, it speaks more of how awful people are in general when given a forum in which to express themselves but hidden behind a veil of anonymity.

 

[Vigormortis]

Really, they're just awful. The biggest problem being that interminable 13 second cooldown until they go active again. And now, given the changes to Tangos, the new TranqBoots are made even more pointless.

They're hardly pointless, they allow you to have sustainability in the lane and trade hits more freely. Sure they will go on CD for a while but those 13 seconds can be circumnavigated by using the downtime to stack pull, deny, ward, roam.
They're really not that bad and they are no longer a free salve when you need one.

I don't deny they still have uses, but compared to their prior form they've been virtually nerfed to near uselessness; save for a few niche situations.

Since the change, most of my support builds have favored just some tangos and a rush Arcane Boots. Building the current TranqBoots just seems slower and less optimal on most supports.

But again, I'm not saying they can't be used at all. I've actually found them to be very handy on Bounty Hunter until around mid game. (when I'll either have a Vlad or a teammate has an Urn or Mek)

I think it might've been better to have just removed the ability to disassemble them or perhaps to have increased the build cost or the cooldown on the active. That way they would have been far less exploitable on heroes like Axe and Ursa while still retaining their full utility on a wider range of supports.

 

[Vigormortis]

You can claim it as many times as you want, you appear to be a stark minority.

If we were to go by so called "popular opinion" for our views on a given community, than we'd have to conclude that most or all atheists are ego-maniacal psychopaths who're determined to destroy society.[footnote]Which, of course, they're not.[/footnote] Or, in a more apropos example, that most or all Mass Effect players are whiny, entitled, keyboard warriors who consider bad writing a worse atrocity towards humanity than all mass genocides in history combined.[footnote]Again: which they're not.[/footnote]

I've never denied that the Dota 2 community has it's fair share of ill-mannered players. However, anyone that claims it's worse than most other online gaming communities is either exaggerating or has a distinct lack of experience with most online communities.

Like I said in another post: If anything, the Dota 2 community is more apathetic than it is vitriolic. Most of the time you'll see people that just don't care who you are or what you're doing.