Duke Nukem Train Wreck Trashes Take-Two

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sunami88 said:
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They should have brought LA Noire to the PC as well. Point and click adventures are right up our alley.
Seconded. I really want to play this game, but I'm between consoles at the moment...
thirded, i'd play it if it were on steam

these company's do insist on releasing on consoles things that are clearly suitable for pc and denying themselves tens of thousands of sales, and bitching about how it didn't sell very well
frankly i have no pity for them
 

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Now that I've spent a few days with Duke Nukem after all the fallout from the demo, which was with little qualification just bad, I can say this: the game is awesome in the same way all the worst movies on MST3K were awesome. Just give in to the bro side and stop being offended by boobs, abortion jokes, dick jokes and stupidity. It's selling pretty well and it's fun.

You know what isn't fun? Ogling objects endlessly for clues, open world car-based gameplay where you're penalized for exploring and can't run over pedestrians, the 1940s and f-ing adventure games. Even if L.A. Noire did come to the PC I don't think I'd play it. I'll just refer to Yahtzee here when I repeat that there's a reason adventure games stopped being popular: it became easier to design games with mechanics that were more fun than those in adventure games over the last couple decades.
 

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Duke Nukem Forever isn't a bad game. It's a 6/10, just above average. It's blah gameplay with referential humor thrown in. Seriously, go look at it (on PC anyway)! It's not the 3/10 some reviewers are giving it
I agree with this. Duke's not horrible overall. It's just not good, and definitely not great.

The beginning is absolutely horrible, however. I was bored and it took me forever to get out of the casino/hotel/tv-studio building the entire first chapter is set in because I'd stop playing to go do something actually fun for a while.

The game also feels like just one gimmick after another, strung together with annoyingly-common load screens. What the hell's that about? Surely the Unreal engine can handle bigger areas than that. Hell if it can't I'd rather Duke run on frikkin Gamebryo. :p
 

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Whatever you may think of Duke Nukem Forever- or L.A. Noire, for that matter- I think this is still sad to hear. In some very real ways, T2 did the right thing by their customers, tried to do some of the things we're always saying we want- they tried to rescue a beloved franchise from bungled handling (Duke), they emphasized story and tried to push technology in new ways (Noire). And now they're getting shafted for it- hooray, more brown, unadventurous sequels for everyone.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was hoping that despite all of 3DRealms' bullshit they actually had done some work that last decade rather than just playing catch-up and changing engines every few years, farting around with their web site and whoring out their franchises to people who could actually, y'know, make games. But it seems that Gearbox really had their work cut out for them- they tried to shock a corpse to life, and it showed.

The market doesn't have any ways of saying, "No, not quite, but we appreciate that you're going the right direction!" Especially in this industry, it's becoming black-and-white, hit-and-miss, with nothing in between.

Frustrating.
 

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Good luck T2.

Alucard788 said:
Perhaps they'll realize that not everyone gets tight pants over exploding pregnant women, sexual sounds with crying (the hive), an carved up naked women.

Duke was not funny...it wasn't gallows humor...it was a sick, sad, disgrace to games, and even made the original games look tame by comparison.
Although, in the original game you could kill innocent women, infected or not. Not in DNF.

Not sure the goal was to get players aroused. Jim Sterling also suggested that people who enjoy this game were maladjusted sociopaths. This is not nice.
Rather, people that over-think DNF and associate the Hive scenes with rape and torture should probably ask themselves why they go there. These are the kind of people who can't look at a tower without projecting phallic imagery.

Fox News must be ecstatic - most gamers have turned out to be as easily offended as they are.

AlexDude said:
duke is just crude fun, wish it wasnt so bashed
Well, witch-hunts do make people feel awfully good about themselves.

I find it somewhat funny that such an absurd farcical parody is being taken so deadly seriously.
 

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Why do people seem to think that this means LA Noire wasn't a success? It just means it wasn't 'as' successful as Red Dead Redemption so far, which is understandable since it is a much more niche genre and subject matter. It still sold around 900,000 units and in my opinion was a game of the highest calibre, in a period where gaming is drying out a bit in terms of originality and quality [hopefully until later this year :)].
 

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The Duke Nukem part doesn't really surprise me, but the LA Noire part does. I got that game and thoroughly enjoyed it, though I could see where it might have not appealed to some people. It does seem weird that despite how many copies it sold it is considered disappointing however.
 

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Azaraxzealot said:
then they would have had piracy making sales even worse. great.
Really, dude? I'm getting pretty tired of all this "PC Gamer = Evul Piratez" bullshit. The vast majority of PC gamers buy all their games. Can we please stop conflating the actions of a few with the buying habits all the rest?

OT: I also believe they should have released LA Noire on PC. That's really the natural home of a point-n-click adventure, it's a bit out of it's element on the console. Take Two would probably have seen higher sales on PC than console for something like this.
 

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lithium.jelly said:
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then they would have had piracy making sales even worse. great.
Really, dude? I'm getting pretty tired of all this "PC Gamer = Evul Piratez" bullshit. The vast majority of PC gamers buy all their games. Can we please stop conflating the actions of a few with the buying habits all the rest?

OT: I also believe they should have released LA Noire on PC. That's really the natural home of a point-n-click adventure, it's a bit out of it's element on the console. Take Two would probably have seen higher sales on PC than console for something like this.
i didn't accuse PC gamers of being pirates, i was accusing pirates of being pirates.
 

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I dont like the idea of stocks being dropped based on game reviews, I mean that sort of thing just encourages people to only make cod type games since those things sell stupid well or some other kind of gritty war game
Reviews come out much sooner than sales report, so it basically only indecator for investors, like it or not.

Considering the fact that Duke Nukem was panned for being to much like Modren shooters, it may be a tiny step pushing developers away from the military FPS.
 

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Azaraxzealot said:
i didn't accuse PC gamers of being pirates, i was accusing pirates of being pirates.
But you made the automatic assumption that releasing a game on PC means it'll automatically be pirated heavily enough to affect sales. As a PC gamer, I find that assumption downright offensive.
 

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lithium.jelly said:
Azaraxzealot said:
i didn't accuse PC gamers of being pirates, i was accusing pirates of being pirates.
But you made the automatic assumption that releasing a game on PC means it'll automatically be pirated heavily enough to affect sales. As a PC gamer, I find that assumption downright offensive.
you shouldn't take it personally. it's common knowledge that most pirates do their dirty deeds on the PC rather than a console. that doesn't mean that every PC gamer is a pirate or should be treated as one.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
No, it won't. Especially when the discussion is on how broken the system is. It is is your system if you allow that type of thinking to affect how you review a game. Jim Sterling gave DNF a 2/10. You think he gives a fuck about how Triple A titles are perceived? He played a game and then put a numerical value to what he thought about it. Games should not be treated differently based on how big the people behind the game are. That makes it sound like reviewers are scared to go against them.
Jim Sterling's schtick is not giving a fuck. That's what he does. And his score of 2/10, which you seem to think is a reflection of his Great Integrity, kind of makes my point: it's a disastrous score. Which is exactly what I said in the first place.

(I also think it's largely theater on Jim's part, but again, that's what he does.)

Arguing that 50/100 should be an average score won't get you laughed out of a discussion about how the review scoring system is broken, no. Arguing that 50/100 is an average score will get you laughed out of any discussion about games.

And arguing just for the sake of arguing will get boring in a hurry.
 

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So you would rather do what you know is flawed because the other guys will laugh at you if you do it the right way?
What did I do? I pointed out the truth, the obvious fact, the way it is: that a 50/100 score is a train wreck for a major game release. If you can find anything at all untrue in that statement, you go ahead and let me know.
 

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DonTsetsi said:
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looks like they'll be getting bought out by EA or Activision after all.

Say hello to GTA milking!

sunami88 said:
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They should have brought LA Noire to the PC as well. Point and click adventures are right up our alley.
Seconded. I really want to play this game, but I'm between consoles at the moment...
then they would have had piracy making sales even worse. great.
Because consoles cannot be pirated? Few people would pirate a PC game and wouldn't pirate a console game.

that PSX/1/2X360 chip mod never existed in your world? Ofc consoles can be pirated.
 

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It would be a different matter for L.A Noire if they had just released it on PC, I was even looking for it on Steam before realising it was console only.
This. I mean I don't visit EB Games or Gamestop anymore. I buy all my games on Steam. So when I see a new game coming out it's because I've seen it on the steam store page. I didn't even KNOW about L.A. Noire until it pretty much came in where I work! Now consider that Steam has average of 1.5 to 2 million people online at ANY given time (currently 1,660,734 online at the moment of me writing this), worldwide, that's a lot of publicity and a HUGE market. imagine if only HALF of those people would have bought the game?!

But yeah, PC market is dead n stuff... sure keep thinking that. Meanwhile those $10 indie games exclusive to Steam are out-selling your console exclusive, heavily funded "uber" games.
 

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*post removed due to me being so angry i can't really reply without expressing my anger*

However I will say that more, and more, i grow very very nervous and afraid of some of you.
 

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Azaraxzealot said:
looks like they'll be getting bought out by EA or Activision after all.

Say hello to GTA milking!

sunami88 said:
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They should have brought LA Noire to the PC as well. Point and click adventures are right up our alley.
Seconded. I really want to play this game, but I'm between consoles at the moment...
then they would have had piracy making sales even worse. great.
your logic is fail.
sure some people would pirate it. but it couldnt sell less. it could only sell more. and i think it would have sold alot more.