Duke Nukem Train Wreck Trashes Take-Two

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LeonLethality

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Schnapple1 said:
Some number of the 889,000 copies they did sell wouldn't sell because those people pirate it for the PC instead, and if that number is 50,000 then they're better off not putting it on the PC. There are people out there who, if a game is on the PC, then they pirate it for the PC. If it's not then they buy it for the consoles. Lame but true.
It's honestly not that much more of a hoop to jump through to pirate on a console and people will go a long way to not pay money, so if they were going to pirate they would still have done it on a console.
 

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What the heck is up with this review score 'discussion'?

Esc: DNF got a score of 5/10, it's a disaster.
Posters: No it's not, 5/10 is 50%! That's average!
E: Yes, but in practise reviewers use 7,5/10 as average, so a 5 is a disaster.
P: Why are you defending a broken system?! 5/10 is clearly average!
E: But we're not talking about the system, we're talking about DNF. It got a 5/10 and in the system that is currently being used, whether that system is good or not, that's a disaster. If we used an actual 0-10 scale it'd get a 2 and still be a disaster.
P: Why are you defending a broken system?!

Just...what?
 

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Auxiliary said:
They should have brought LA Noire to the PC as well. Point and click adventures are right up our alley.
Agreed. I hope we get an Ironed out, competent port sometime down the line.

Fuck that Duke Nukem shit for all I care, but LA Noire, a good game, doing poorly is not fair.
 

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Low Key said:
The best thing about the Duke situation is now Take Two can put out their own, hopefully better game. DNF was still basically a 3D Realms product. It was 90% complete when Gearbox finally got it.

It sucks to hear that about LA Noire though. I saw a little bit of a play through and it looked okay. Nice and fluid with decent dialog. One thing it lacked from Heavy Rain was boobs. Maybe that's the key.
Now now, there are naked corpses all over the place in Noire.
 

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DonTsetsi said:
Because consoles cannot be pirated? Few people would pirate a PC game and wouldn't pirate a console game.
You do know that the console versions of Duke Nukem were being pirated a few days before the PC version right?
 

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I was going to actually try this game... because I waited too... however, EVERYWHERE I went, people hammers this game... i just wasn't sure if.... oh well... I was wondering... did our standard went sky high? our taste buds for games numb? Kinda like my stepfather, who smoke too much, and is now bitching about how food is bad and tasteless, and have to "spice up" all the time...

I for one just got told last week for criticizing the trailer of Mass3... on the other hand, I was still playing fallout 3 (the third time around) maybe our standard for games DID went up, and some companies just couldn't keep up? Anyways I still feel guilty, I will go to my friend's to at lease try duke B4 I judge it... Who knows, I after all... loved Bulletstorm... maybe this one could actually top that game...
 

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teh_gunslinger said:
As it stands the publisher has just managed to ignore a market that would be very happy to play the game. When I played the game I kept thinking that it would be less bad if I could just have some decent mouse control.

It really is a strange move to ignore a market segment that traditionally have been the home of point and click adventures in favour of a market that is traditionally the home of War of the Broses 2 and Bros Fighting Wars 4.
Indeed, every time I see something about L.A. Noire I think to myself "Self, that sounds like a game you would probably enjoy. Too bad they don't actually want my money!". It doesn't matter how interesting a game sounds, I'm not buying a console to play it, because then my ability to play it would either be massively constrained by other people, or I'd have to basically get my own apartment and all the requisite additional expenses that entails if I was looking to duplicate the user experience I have right now with my PC, where I sit down and use it whenever the hell I want to because it's my PC; no matter how you look at it, it's simply not worth moving out of my current living arrangements just to play a game on my own terms.

Also I shall now be shamelessly stealing and re-purposing "War of the Broses", because that is hilarious (and oh so apt!).
 

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I was close to getting LA but then I watched my friend play the game. And saw that it revolved around waiting for controller to rumble pick up item, and then click a and move stick while waiting for controller to rumble. I'll pick up the game later just not at 60, and Duke well, I'll rent it at least. Just for old times sake
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Games sell their most in their first week or two, firstly. Secondly, they started work on L.A. Noire seven years ago. If you spend a few million dollars and nearly a decade on developing something and only manage to make a small profit, that's not great.
 

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Oddly enough the first thing I thought of after reading this was stock trading. If Duke is able to drive Take-Two's stock price lower someone could make a killing buying it up at a cheaper price only to sell it when Bioshock Infinite or GTA 5 come out.

Food for thought...
 

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Worgen said:
I dont like the idea of stocks being dropped based on game reviews, I mean that sort of thing just encourages people to only make cod type games since those things sell stupid well or some other kind of gritty war game
well in a perfect world that'll be the case in a perfect world LA noir would outsell cod (or at least become serius money maker)sadly this is not a perfect world
 

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sunami88 said:
Auxiliary said:
They should have brought LA Noire to the PC as well. Point and click adventures are right up our alley.
Seconded. I really want to play this game, but I'm between consoles at the moment...
I am taking a short break from it to check the internets, It is pretty adventure-ish, but it makes more sense than pretty much all the old point and click titles. It does noticably lack the Noire feel I was hoping for. It tries, but it just can't do it sometimes. An example of this would be the time of most missions, a lot of Noire detective films take place mostly at night, or in the dark-ish alleys. I just drove down Sunset Boulevard in the middle of the day with a siren blaring. Don't get me wrong, it is still a good game, but if you are a fan of good Noire, like I am, then that will bug you.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
I disagree about the movie comparison.

A) a shit ton more people see movies than purchase video games.

B) video games come out much more frequently than movies (comparing the constant stream of games from all publishers to the dozen or so massive movie releases each year that have a run in the box office).

C) the production teams behind large movies spend hundreds of millions on their films, and can afford to advertise their movies. Barring a handful of massive game companies, most developers simply cannot afford to make their game and advertise it for lengths of time. I mean, besides Halo, CoD and Pokemon, how many games even get T.V ad space?

Opinions on that stuff asside, it's a massive shame L.A. Noir didn't do better. I think the game is fantastic.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Games should not be treated differently based on how big the people behind the game are. That makes it sound like reviewers are scared to go against them.
Finally! Someone else agrees with me.

Are you single?
 

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I never played duke nukem and don't plan on it. Back in the days of the N64 I had a game called battletanx. It had 12 weapons, and the tank had room for all 12. The sequel, global assault, probably had 20. Again, the tank could hold them all. Both games had nukes as weapons. Both games. And I don't mean calling in an airstrike, i'm talking the tank literally throws the nuke out as if it's a grenade. There's even an air raid siren thrown in for authenticity. Also, I think if you want lots of weapons you should wait for goldeneye to go multi-platform. That's the game that has shit-tons of weapons. Also look out for new samdbox games like Arkham City and Saints Row 3, which has a people cannon. And don't forget skyrim, which probably has alot of projectile style spells. Also don't forget about serious sam 3. Don't lose hope is all i'm saying here. You've got plenty of games with crazy weapons to look forward to.
 

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Gildan Bladeborn said:
teh_gunslinger said:
As it stands the publisher has just managed to ignore a market that would be very happy to play the game. When I played the game I kept thinking that it would be less bad if I could just have some decent mouse control.

It really is a strange move to ignore a market segment that traditionally have been the home of point and click adventures in favour of a market that is traditionally the home of War of the Broses 2 and Bros Fighting Wars 4.
Indeed, every time I see something about L.A. Noire I think to myself "Self, that sounds like a game you would probably enjoy. Too bad they don't actually want my money!". It doesn't matter how interesting a game sounds, I'm not buying a console to play it, because then my ability to play it would either be massively constrained by other people, or I'd have to basically get my own apartment and all the requisite additional expenses that entails if I was looking to duplicate the user experience I have right now with my PC, where I sit down and use it whenever the hell I want to because it's my PC; no matter how you look at it, it's simply not worth moving out of my current living arrangements just to play a game on my own terms.

Also I shall now be shamelessly stealing and re-purposing "War of the Broses", because that is hilarious (and oh so apt!).
You are more than welcome to it. It's a great title. But I can't claim credit as I myself have shamelessly stolen it from the Idle Thumbs podcast. Credit goes to Chris Remo.

he used it in relation to the glut of bro games that hit the shelves with Gear 2 and Killzone 2. I found it very apt as well.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
I didn't expect (or think it was reasonably possible) for it to sell millions and break every record in the book. But I like the game and a lot of effort went in to it. Would be nice to see the makers rolling in reward money for their efforts.

I can dream.
 

ckam

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Oh, LA Noire actually looked interesting. Kind of sad, really.
 

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TheIronRuler said:
Welcome to 'Scott Pilgrim Vs. The world ' investor hell.
THIS is the fate that awaits people that gamble their money.
Sometimes you win, and this time you lose.
It'll be a shame if they start chucking new titles from an already successful series just to get by and finish the month in the black.avoid finishing the year in the red.
Yes but 'Scott Pilgrim vs the World' was actually good. It just wasn't popular.
Kinda the exact opposite of Duke Nukam actually when I think about it...