E3: Wii U Lineup Impresses

[Kaland]

Wow. Nintendo got third party games. They must be so frigging proud.

Yeah, you you know what else has all those games? The Ps3. Oh, and the 360.

This is pathetic. They couldn't even manage something like Mass Effect 3. Hell, they didn't even manage Overstrike. They got games that are going everywhere, games they'd have to gop out of their way to not get on their system. Congratulations Nintendo, your third party su;pport is now where it was at for the Gamecube.

Damn, you sound pissed!
By the way, how do you know that they're not getting ME3 or Overstrike? We have no idea how much experience companies like Bioware have got with this consoles development tools for the system yet. Just because it's not announced at the earliest possible time, doesn't mean it definatly won't happen.


As for me, I don't really care about the third party games since I've already got the current generation consoles. As the lineup exists now it seems decent, but I suspect most people with either a 360 or PS3 would care that much about it. What makes me excited are the prospects of its future. The first party games with (finally) gorgeous HD graphics, and the inevitable 4 player platformers (both 2D and 3D) where people can wander off the camera from the TV screen..(or so I hope, with the controllers having its own screen and all.) The Wii is my favourite current generation system for platformers, and the Wii U sets itself up to continue that trend with these controllers. HD 4-player Zelda in the style of four swords wouldn't be wrong either. Sooner or later, some exclusives will come around too, capitalizing on the system's unique features.... that, and tons of shovelware. =)

 

[CrystalShadow]

Nintendo have been very successful with all of their controllers so I'd be surprised if its uncomfortable.

Again, none of them were big square blocky looking things with a giant touch screen in the middle. This is a new kind of controller, and pointing at all their previous traditional controllers doesn't do much to say that something so different will be comfortable.

Plus, I think you forgot about this monstrosity: http://n64controller.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/n64controller.jpg

Oh give me a break. The N64 controller may be weird-looking, and confusing if you don't get why it was designed that way, but it is not even remotely uncomfortable to hold.
Personally, I find it more comfortable than gamecube controllers, and I would prefer an N64 controller to a GC one were it not for the fatal flaw in the N64 analog stick that means they have little if any durability.


Anyway, I'm curious how hackable these new controllers will be. It was notoriously trivial to hook up Wii remotes to a PC, thanks to bluetooth.
But... I'm at a loss as to what kind of wireless protocol makes it possible to stream HD video to (presumably) 4 portable displays in realtime.

 

[BanthaFodder]

I'm laughing my ass off at all the idiotic fanboys here who can't comprehend a Nintendo console being hands-down BETTER than every other home console available...
FUCK YEAH, ALIENS.
THE SECOND SCREEN ACTS AS A MOTION TRACKER. OH SWEET JESUS.

 

[BanthaFodder]

*watching Sony's conference
"the Sony Vita has new features like... and augmented reality..."
*months after the 3DS did augmented reality in a handheld
"and dual cameras..."
*years after DSi had dual cameras in the front and back
"and a touch screen..."
*years after DS had a touch screen

PS3 rules, but Sony's handhelds are, have been, and always will be SHIT.
Nintendo innovates, Sony does it's own little thing, and Microsoft does the same thing over and over and over. 'tis the natural order.

EDIT: not to mention, the N64 was the first one to have dual sticks. if you wanna REALLY nitpick, it'd be Raiders of the Lost Arc on the Atari 2600 (it used 2 standard controllers for 2 sticks)

 

[WanderingFool]

WiiU, Me, Us? As a Nintendo fan the name is questionable, but everyone will get used to it if it doesn't change anyway.

At least it's not called Nintendo Vita.

HAHA! Im so late to this party...

Sounds impressive, but Why would I buy the WiiU if most of those third party games mentioned will be on the 360 or PS3? If they want to interest me, I want to see some of those oh so lovely first party titles.

 

[CrystalShadow]

I don't have a problem with Sony too much, I just hate the fact that they constantly wanna bash Nintendo. (yet they copy Nintendo lol)

I'm not bringing this up to be a dick, I'm genuinely asking this because I'd like to hear an opposing view, but in what ways do Sony copy Nintendo? The whole motion control thing was done on the Eye-toy years before the Wii did it, it just didn't have the full weight of a company behind it... And I'm pretty sure Sony were innovating when they kicked off all this craziness in earnest with the PS1...

Thats my view anyway, thoughts?

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Sigh...

The whole motion control thing was done on the Eye-toy years before the Wii did it, it just didn't have the full weight of a company behind it.

Like I said, motion controlling/you are the controller shite was 3 years old when Nintendo took an idea from the PS2, and made it the whole experience. All the Wii proves is that Nintendo are masters of marketing... But you know what, your weak ass response was all I needed to know about whether or not this could be an interesting conversation. Don't bother replying, you'd be wasting both our time.

Uhuh. Look The eyetoy was unique in implementation, in that nobody had really done much research on that kind of thing with cameras.

But, ever seen the control schemes for early 90's VR systems? How about Nintendo's frequently referenced Powerglove? How about the Sega Activator?

Tilt based controllers for earlier game consoles? (Atari 2600 for instance).

Nintendo based a control scheme around motion, as did sony. Sony's tech was actually more innovative (but thus, at the time, less practical), while nintendo went with technology that has been in use since the 60's or 70's in other contexts.

But, the concepts, even for gaming purposes go back to the mid-80's at the very least. People really do have myopic vision for these kind of things.

As for the PS1 being innovative... Yeah... In what way is a game console that started life as an Snes CD add-on (And has a controller layout to prove it.) innovative?

It's more like the end result of a business deal that went sour, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a substantial portion of the PS1's abilities were closely related to what Nintendo originally asked Sony to build them.
But, given that such things are probably business secrets (if anyone even remembers such details all that well after all this time), we'll probably never know for sure.

 

[BanthaFodder]

to all of the butthurt fanboys whining,
"NNNOOOOOOO!!!! IT'S JUST THIRD PARTY GAEMS!!! SONY AND MICROSOFT HAVE HAD THOSE!!! JUST LOOK AT MICROSOFT, ASIDE FROM HALO, GEARS, AND FORZA, THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT THRID-PARTY GAMES!!! WE HAD IT FIRST!!! NINTENDO SUCKS!!! IT HAS TO SUCK!!! I NEED TO JUSTIFY THE 360 I REPLACED 4 TIMES, NINTENDO HAS TO SUCK, EVEN IF IT'S GOOD, IT SUCKS!!!"
and all that, the WiiU has advantages over the other consoles.

take Ghostbusters on the Wii for example. it had awesome motion-controlled proton packs, but had to take a hit in the graphics department to work. now? THERE'S NOTHING TO COMPROMISE. the WiiU can handle the innovation AND the graphics. this proves that the WiiU is the best console to get thrid-party games on.

take Aliens Colonial Marines. on any other console, you'll probably have the standard HUD and such.
the WiiU version? the second screen acts as the Motion Tracker, adding a nice extra layer of immersion to this tasty-ass sandwich.

accept it. WiiU beats PS3 in the graphics department and 360 in the games department. it wins.

 

[BanthaFodder]

I'm laughing my ass off at all the idiotic fanboys here who can't comprehend a Nintendo console being hands-down BETTER than every other home console available...

I'm laughing my ass off at fanboys who seem to think being more expensive, having less support and having an awkward controller makes something "hands-down BETTER".

all the reports are flying in that the controller, while awkward looking, is actually incredibly comfortable. one argument debunked.
they have not announced a price yet. two arguments debunked.
the latest video shows SOME of the games being released in the FIRST year of the WiiU's release. WiiU obviously has TONS of third-party support. and there, you have NO arguments to stand on.

but then again, this IS the Escapist.
where Nintendo is automatically bad. even if it's the best thing at E3. it still SUCKS!!!
BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED A PRICE!!!

and no matter how expensive it gets, there's no way it'll top 599 US dollars.

 

[Kaland]

Nintendos announced it ccan only support one of those screens at a time - so no, you can't have four people wandering in different directions and have all four views show up on the screens.

Really? : ( ...I didn't pay enough attention then. Damn, that was todays biggest disappointment...I'm not as excited about local multiplayer any more then. Anyway, thanks for making me aware of this! : )

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I'm laughing my ass off at all the idiotic fanboys here who can't comprehend a Nintendo console being hands-down BETTER than every other home console available...

I'm laughing my ass off at fanboys who seem to think being more expensive, having less support and having an awkward controller makes something "hands-down BETTER".

*snip*

Well of course it's better, it's a brand new console so it really should be. The question is whether it's so much better as to be worth buying an entire console for. And just being able to play the same games as something people already have but slightly better isn't really a convincing argument for shelling out several hundred dollars. Yes I know they haven't announced a price yet, but that doesn't make it effectively free until they do.

 

[Kaland]

EDIT: I'm very sorry, I double posted. Ignore.

 

[Balobo]

The console just cant beat the other two in terms of content,

Possibly because it's not out yet.

 

[BanthaFodder]

I'm laughing my ass off at all the idiotic fanboys here who can't comprehend a Nintendo console being hands-down BETTER than every other home console available...

I'm laughing my ass off at fanboys who seem to think being more expensive, having less support and having an awkward controller makes something "hands-down BETTER".

all the reports are flying in that the controller, while awkward looking, is actually incredibly comfortable. one argument debunked.
they have not announced a price yet. two arguments debunked.
the latest video shows SOME of the games being released in the FIRST year of the WiiU's release. WiiU obviously has TONS of third-party support. and there, you have NO arguments to stand on.

but then again, this IS the Escapist.
where Nintendo is automatically bad. even if it's the best thing at E3. it still SUCKS!!!
BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED A PRICE!!!

and no matter how expensive it gets, there's no way it'll top 599 US dollars.

Wow, you managed to turn a lack of evidence into "debunking". Thats what Birthers do.

Oh yeah, thats totally sound reasoning "The Wii U has tonnes of third party support that they didn't show because my brain doesn't work". You don't have a single fucking shred to support that this won't be a gigantic failure.

Oh, and about the "using a gimmick totally makes the versions all better", Ps3 offering Move Support and 3d. The WiiU can't even win on gimmicks. It can't beat the Ps3 on power, it can't beat either on library, and it certainly isn't unique in offering a gimmick.

I'll just sort this into a nice, easy to navigate list:

1. so I'm comparable to a "birther" because I pointed out that you have NO actual argument to stand on? I never said it would be cheap. for all I know, it could be really fucking expensive. however, you made the argument that it IS expensive. I pointed out that that argument makes no sense. by your logic, you are comparable to Jack Thompson; you make wild accusations with no concrete proof or evidence.

2. let me reiterate; they showed SOME of the third-party games that would show up at the same time as the console. if you honestly think that the couple of third-party games they showed in the trailer is ALL the third-party support the WiiU's getting for it's entire lifespan, perhaps it is YOUR brain that doesn't work.

3. I actually DO have a single "shred" that this won't be a gigantic failure. in fact, I have several. first off, reactions from the showfloor have been nothing but positive. literally, NO negative comments. and this is the prototype mind you, we'll see the actual final product next year. next, it's a Nintendo console. it won't fail financially.

4. I never said that gimmicks made for a better game. I said that some extras make games more fun. and if your idea of a "good gimmick" (an oxymoron) is having to wear 3D glasses to play a game, then you have absolutely no grounds to judge any gimmick or extra or anything EVER.

5. it actually DOES beat the PS3 technically. actually RESEARCH this thing before you lead your little temper tantrum against it. watch the demonstration with the bird, rendered in real time, by a PROTOTYPE.

6. whether or not the WiiU beats the PS3 "on library" is purely subjective. I have both a Wii and a PS3. They both have some AMAZING games (LittleBigPlanet, Brawl, inFAMOUS, Mario Galaxy 2, etc.). so yeah, to quote The Dude, that's just like, your opinion, man.

7. it isn't unique in offering a gimmick? so the best console is the one with the best gimmick? ... whatever pal... whatever... I'll just be over here, playing games for things like "fun" and "good gameplay" and such...

 

[BanthaFodder]

I'm laughing my ass off at all the idiotic fanboys here who can't comprehend a Nintendo console being hands-down BETTER than every other home console available...

I'm laughing my ass off at fanboys who seem to think being more expensive, having less support and having an awkward controller makes something "hands-down BETTER".

*snip*

Well of course it's better, it's a brand new console so it really should be. The question is whether it's so much better as to be worth buying an entire console for. And just being able to play the same games as something people already have but slightly better isn't really a convincing argument for shelling out several hundred dollars. Yes I know they haven't announced a price yet, but that doesn't make it effectively free until they do.

I haven't really seen any previews that say the tech or the results are any better than the Ps3. Most say it looks "almost as good".

And you also have to remember that, what with Nintendos insistence on selling each console to make a profit, mixed with how the controllers will be more expensice and how its trying to mirror current power levels, its really pretty simple to figure out this thing will be more expensive thn the Ps3 or 360.

they showed this REALLY nice demo during the conference. it was like a bird flying through some cherry blossoms and such. idk, but it certainly looked at the very least, on-par with a very, VERY good-looking PS3 game.
as for the price... I dunno... Nintendo likes to play things cheap... like I saidm they're just not a ver "599 US dollars" kinda company... guess we'll all find out, in due time

 

[PissOffRoth]

Wii U... I am REALLY hoping that Nintendo's lost, drifting rivals don't follow suit with new consoles of their own, because that would be an absolute death sentence for the AAA industry...

 

[PissOffRoth]

..joking aside, I need a Star Fox game to get interested.

Do a barrel roll.

 

[zehydra]

Impressive? I guess to people who only play on Nintendo consoles. The rest of us have been playing these games for a half a decade.

nah I've just been playing them on my PC while I play Mario on my Wii.

Now that Nintendo's getting its shit together, that may change

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Worst console name ever, hands down.

Gizmondo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmondo

OT: I think more and more games will be coming to launch as developers simply port Xbox 360/ PS3 games to the WiiU that were launching near it's launch time anyway.

 

[omicron1]

So, uh... "It's a Mii Mario"?

I worry about whether this system will be left in the dust come Xbox 720 and PS4. Sure, it gets multiplatform ports now, but in a few years? What then?

 

[CK76]

hmmmm... wonder if If i'm too late for this one?

This is exactly what I thought when read the announcement.