EA: Dungeon Keeper Failed by "Innovating Too Much"
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Oh my god, I think the internet is altogether too keen to bash EA whether or not it's actually justified, and we have a history of making mountains over molehills, but... nope, can't defend this one. This was just a really epically stupid thing to say.
I mean, I saw that headline and thought "geez, that's a painful line to take out of context", but... nope, there is no context here to mitigate this even slightly.
I mean, I saw that headline and thought "geez, that's a painful line to take out of context", but... nope, there is no context here to mitigate this even slightly.
Well if nothing else you have to admire the way they always seem to find a way to a positive spin on the shit they do. I think some of these bullshit merchants that EA employs could find new careers in politics if they ever get tired of the video game business.
EA crossed the line here. They're not even being amusingly out of touch in an "Oh, EA!" sort of way. This is just insulting.
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Innovating? Weren't ready for? How about not ripping people off from spending their cash in order to progress in the game!!!
Just how many excuse can EA pulled out of their arses instead of actually trying to fixed it by simply make it free to play (no cash involve to progress!
I think this finally gets to the root of EA's issues - they just don't know or can't be bothered with what innovation looks like. They insult our intelligence and try to blow smoke up our ass while spinning their words like back pedaling politicians, while their shareholders completely hold the company hostage forcing through their own definition of innovation all for the sake of their bottom line. It's pretty disgusting actually- to pervert a word that's supposed to mean positive advancement into a mirror image of itself. I didn't think EA could sink any lower in my opinion of them but this wormy excuse for an apology does it. Why can't they just give a normal sincere apology? Why is it always a play on words to make themselves look better? They would of been better off keeping their mouths shut. Well I have no hope or interest in Battlefront now. Not with these soulless suits behind it.
Yeah, I innovated too much as well, which is why I'm overweight. Hah hah, no. You guys are lazy and over-indulgent. that's true.
Oh my god JUST STOP FUCKING TALKING! No more "Audiences just don't appreciate our brilliance" no more "No, this wasn't a stupid a fucking idea, honest" no more "We're not total douchebags" just, fucking, STOP! If you ever want me to buy anything with your brand on it again, I need more than empty words. I need action and convincing that it won't be a complete fucking waste of my time. You have done neither.
Read: We're currently conspiring with our partners in the industry to either make this the norm or finding an approach to this that will make it appear acceptable to you our customers. Remember DRM and day one DLC? Let's not even get started about how we've got you lapping up micro-transactions as the norm these days and after a lot of hard work we'll soon have you accepting unfinished releases and pay-to-play games like dungeon keeper in the natural parasitic relationship we think we should have.EA said:
We have all the money and power and well... you keep giving it to us.
Sincere thanks, The Games Industry.
EA put the damn shovel down, both figuratively towards burying yourself instead of a horrible development target decision (F2p abuse) and game, and stop shoveling out crap. You've the necessary things to make good games when you stop trying to market every feature separately. Over developing games is making your customers cynical when you charge them for every square inch of the product. Stop. Just make games, sell them at what they are and if you want to add small stuff in for free every now and again, you might find people will like you more and buy more from you. No one wants to buy from an accountant.
I'm starting to think that The Escapist is making all of these quotes up. I mean, shit. EA and Ubisoft cannot be this fucking stupid. It's impossible! These are AAA publishing companies. Smart people making smart decisions and becoming this successful over the years. There is no way these are actual public quotes. I'm starting to refuse to believe anybody in a high level from a company like this cannot continue to say shit this dumb over and over again.
Just more evidence towards my hypothesis that EA (and most other AAA publishers) doesn't actually give a shit about consumer feedback or criticism, and are simply trying to wait out the rest of the market. That if they keep pressuring consumers, they will lower their standards and submit to shittiness.
Well to be fair, Frankie boy could have been less subtle...though not by much.
In the interest of fairness, I considered that "innovation" does not necessarily mean "good". There's plenty of stuff, tech, patents, concepts etc that gets developed but never used because it isn't appropriate or useful, and that seems to be what Mr. Gibaeu is arguing here.
However, the fact that Mr. Gibeau then juxtaposes EA's "innovation" with consumers being "unready" throws that possibility out the window. He genuinely believes his company did nothing wrong, or that there isn't any problem with Dungeon Keeper's obscene monetization scheme. He believes that the price-gouging rape wearing the face of a classic game is somehow acceptable even in the face of overwhelmingly negative public feedback and commercial response.
That isn't the behavior of someone admitting a mistake, that's the behavior of complete arrogance. He might as well be plugging his ears and yelling "YES YES, WE KNOW BUT WE REALLY DON'T CARE! SO STOP WHINING AND JUST BUY OUR GAMES ALREADY, YOU STUPID CONSUMER CATTLE!"
Of course, the same article shows that Frankie is fixated on copying the success of the horrible hellish Freemium practices employed in the greater Asian market; where standards can sink so low that many games are just gambling honeypots or endless grinding (to the point where certain practices are now being outlawed. Search "gacha game", and you'll see what I mean).
So I guess from that perspective, Dungeon Keeper didn't do anything "wrong". It's just that the standards of our market are higher than that of the hellhole market he's trying to ape.
Oh, and then there's this gem:
Yup!Brainplant said:
Well to be fair, Frankie boy could have been less subtle...though not by much.
It sounds like they're praising themselves and blaming the customer.Original Article said:
In the interest of fairness, I considered that "innovation" does not necessarily mean "good". There's plenty of stuff, tech, patents, concepts etc that gets developed but never used because it isn't appropriate or useful, and that seems to be what Mr. Gibaeu is arguing here.
However, the fact that Mr. Gibeau then juxtaposes EA's "innovation" with consumers being "unready" throws that possibility out the window. He genuinely believes his company did nothing wrong, or that there isn't any problem with Dungeon Keeper's obscene monetization scheme. He believes that the price-gouging rape wearing the face of a classic game is somehow acceptable even in the face of overwhelmingly negative public feedback and commercial response.
That isn't the behavior of someone admitting a mistake, that's the behavior of complete arrogance. He might as well be plugging his ears and yelling "YES YES, WE KNOW BUT WE REALLY DON'T CARE! SO STOP WHINING AND JUST BUY OUR GAMES ALREADY, YOU STUPID CONSUMER CATTLE!"
Of course, the same article shows that Frankie is fixated on copying the success of the horrible hellish Freemium practices employed in the greater Asian market; where standards can sink so low that many games are just gambling honeypots or endless grinding (to the point where certain practices are now being outlawed. Search "gacha game", and you'll see what I mean).
So I guess from that perspective, Dungeon Keeper didn't do anything "wrong". It's just that the standards of our market are higher than that of the hellhole market he's trying to ape.
Oh, and then there's this gem:
You know Frankie, just because you allude to something doesn't mean it's true.
Oh yeah, cloning Match-3 for the 1000th time in the last 17 years was REALLY creative and new.
too innovative? are we talking about the Dream Cast (may it rest it's soul) *Hunger Games Salute*, or Pay-to-Win garbage?
What he said: "I think we might have innovated too much or tried some different things that people just weren't ready for"
What he thought: "We need to widen peoples' -------- a bit more before a ---- this big will fit in there"
What he thought: "We need to widen peoples' -------- a bit more before a ---- this big will fit in there"
Why did you have to say that frank? the fires of controversy are finally starting to go out, so why do you feel the need to throw fuel on the fire?
And if you think this wasn?t a incredibly stupid thing to say, please turn yourself over to the police, because you?re clearly a shape shifting alien who doesn?t understand human emotions.
Also since people are using the laugh harder clip I might as well post this, http://youtu.be/2HSoSBle8AQ .
And if you think this wasn?t a incredibly stupid thing to say, please turn yourself over to the police, because you?re clearly a shape shifting alien who doesn?t understand human emotions.
Also since people are using the laugh harder clip I might as well post this, http://youtu.be/2HSoSBle8AQ .
Ok, now I am just confused. First they apologize for making the game bad... then they claim that it innovated to much? I mean, EA, get your shit together. Your bullshit streams are getting crossed. Is EA really so bad at being a video game company that they can't even properly bullshit their customers anymore?