EA Exec: Xbox One and PS4 Are "A Generation Ahead" Of PC
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While I can't speak to the quality of the 8-core CPUs in these things, I can definitely say that my GTX 660 Ti pretty readily beats both consoles' listed graphics specs. I wouldn't be surprised if my i5-3570k (stock clocks) beats these things in raw processing power either. I've also got 16GB of DDR3 1600, more than either console.
The thing is, I don't have the highest of even consumer end in absolutely any spec, yet I still seem to be ahead of both the PS4 and the Xbox One in almost every way (PS4 uses faster GDDR5 RAM than my DDR3). Unless AMD has done something utterly revolutionary with their APU and the way it integrates CPU and GPU (unlikely, as AMD isn't particularly good at revolutionizing anything these days), there's no way in hell it's gonna get the results they claim. At best, they've avoided bandwidth and bus speed issues, but that's relatively insignificant compared to the actual abilities of the individual parts.
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The thing is, I don't have the highest of even consumer end in absolutely any spec, yet I still seem to be ahead of both the PS4 and the Xbox One in almost every way (PS4 uses faster GDDR5 RAM than my DDR3). Unless AMD has done something utterly revolutionary with their APU and the way it integrates CPU and GPU (unlikely, as AMD isn't particularly good at revolutionizing anything these days), there's no way in hell it's gonna get the results they claim. At best, they've avoided bandwidth and bus speed issues, but that's relatively insignificant compared to the actual abilities of the individual parts.
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The only possible response I can think of to that statement is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves when they talk?
Edit: Actually, what did Sony claim the PS3 would do? "Render PC gaming moot"? Yeah, that's cute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves when they talk?
Edit: Actually, what did Sony claim the PS3 would do? "Render PC gaming moot"? Yeah, that's cute.
In other news my spit has the power to turn lead into gold.
What you ask for evidence? Why would I give you any when the EA execs can come out and make a bold unsubstantiated claim without as much as a detailed comparison graph clearly showing that the X1 and the PS4 both outshine the average gaming PC in hardware based on a wide analysis of thousands of PC owners reporting their specs.
Though this is quite obvious the same bullshit as the BF3 VS COD thing both activision and EA were playing up to mad degrees. The way you make money is by dividing fan bases based on the game or console they like rather than making judgement based on quality of product.
It's an easy and underhanded way to ensure people will buy your stuff just to show those other guys who's best.
What you ask for evidence? Why would I give you any when the EA execs can come out and make a bold unsubstantiated claim without as much as a detailed comparison graph clearly showing that the X1 and the PS4 both outshine the average gaming PC in hardware based on a wide analysis of thousands of PC owners reporting their specs.
Though this is quite obvious the same bullshit as the BF3 VS COD thing both activision and EA were playing up to mad degrees. The way you make money is by dividing fan bases based on the game or console they like rather than making judgement based on quality of product.
It's an easy and underhanded way to ensure people will buy your stuff just to show those other guys who's best.
Ok well i guess i get to be the old fart in the room who talks about history and longstanding popular ideals of gaming systems vs PC's. Simply put the long running Wisdom for all previous generations of gaming systems is that they beat the PC for high end graphics for the first year or two of their release and then fall behind there after, for the most part this is true, that being said its not because they were ever more powerful than their PC counterparts its because they were custom built to run games and render graphics, where PC's were designed to do a whole lot more. In that thought process a Gaming system may be "More Powerful" than a PC but in reality no. Is this Hyperbol from EA sure but its not some complete lie or fabrication just the standard Marketing exaggeration that always happens.
oh and to the people who talk about how its still only rendering out at 30 fps or 60 fps just remember it needs to render out at the video standards that your tv accepts not what a regular monitor can do.
oh and to the people who talk about how its still only rendering out at 30 fps or 60 fps just remember it needs to render out at the video standards that your tv accepts not what a regular monitor can do.
Those 8 core CPUs are still laptop architecture processors, a good quad or hex(six) core from AMD or Intel is roundly going to smash those console ones. Pretty much anything that is the same as the AMD Phenom II x4s or above or an Intel I5 sandybridge and above are going to outpace those consoles. Those two processors above are not e even new, both companies have newer and faster processors available.Covarr said:
An i5 3570k is 4x faster than the consoles on the cpu frontCovarr said:
remember, phones can have 8 core processors and they arent going to be beating a desktop. Anandtech have recently done a preview of the performance of jaguar cpus and they are good for their market. But their market is netbooks and tablets.My PC is 2 years old and is better than the current specs for these consoles.. So.. Yeah... Not so much on the "spending a crap ton of money on constantly upgrading".. I've not bought any upgrades since I've owned this, and it plays every game on max settings. EA is just out right lying to it's customers now.Diablo1099 said:
Oh yeah Mr EA man? Well my calculator has more computationing power than the next generation! I know that because I'm the Chief Technical Officer of Fuck You. Oh SNAP!
And even if the Xbone and PS4 are more powerful than the current high end PCs on the market, most hardcore gamers don't buy their machines off the shelf. They build them. And they are probably better than the 'next gen' already, give them a year or two and they will widen the gap whilst the consoles will still have the same hardware and specs.
You also have to question the credibility of a guy whose company couldn't get SimCity to run. Maybe he was on his lunch break during that disaster.
And even if the Xbone and PS4 are more powerful than the current high end PCs on the market, most hardcore gamers don't buy their machines off the shelf. They build them. And they are probably better than the 'next gen' already, give them a year or two and they will widen the gap whilst the consoles will still have the same hardware and specs.
You also have to question the credibility of a guy whose company couldn't get SimCity to run. Maybe he was on his lunch break during that disaster.
He's not writing for gamers. He's writing for business executives. (It's an article for LinkedIn, for heaven's sake.) The average exec only has a PC capable of e-mail and Facebook games because that's all they use.Andy Chalk said:
Well, I think we all know he's lying about the hardware being better than high end PCs. I'd be willing to put money down that my 3 year old desktop is at least as fast with an i5 750 quad core at 4.2ghz and a pair of 5850s.
That said, I think he does have a point in the software department. Why? Well, because they're developing software specifically for a home entertainment environment. I use a media PC hooked up to my receiver to watch movies and TV shows, and it can play games although I don't bother since I have my desktop... Anyway, the point is that I still have to navigate Windows on a TV from across the room using a wireless mouse. It works but it's a bit of a hassle. There's some software that helps with it a bit, Windows Media Center is okay, as is XBMC. Then you can alt-tab to Steam with Big Picture, and of course zoom in on webpages/YouTube for that stuff... But it's definitely not as nicely integrated. So, they do have a slight advantage for the home theater PC market.
That said, I think he does have a point in the software department. Why? Well, because they're developing software specifically for a home entertainment environment. I use a media PC hooked up to my receiver to watch movies and TV shows, and it can play games although I don't bother since I have my desktop... Anyway, the point is that I still have to navigate Windows on a TV from across the room using a wireless mouse. It works but it's a bit of a hassle. There's some software that helps with it a bit, Windows Media Center is okay, as is XBMC. Then you can alt-tab to Steam with Big Picture, and of course zoom in on webpages/YouTube for that stuff... But it's definitely not as nicely integrated. So, they do have a slight advantage for the home theater PC market.
They must be sitting in their board room taking turns sniffing the paint fumes off their golden poo's (maybe why they wanted to win another, last year's is a little stale by now) for this to make sense.
The whole point of a console is to have a standardised unit for developers so they don't have to spend a ton of cash testing the thousands of potential iterations of parts in a PC. A dedicated video card will thrash integrated video pretty much every single time. Hell, the day they announce the specs for a console they are usually months out of date compared to a dedicated gaming PC (not counting your parent's box PC they bought from Dell or Costco to play Facebook games and solitare)
I pretty much envisioned Rajat Taneja talking like this when he delivered this little gem:
The whole point of a console is to have a standardised unit for developers so they don't have to spend a ton of cash testing the thousands of potential iterations of parts in a PC. A dedicated video card will thrash integrated video pretty much every single time. Hell, the day they announce the specs for a console they are usually months out of date compared to a dedicated gaming PC (not counting your parent's box PC they bought from Dell or Costco to play Facebook games and solitare)
I pretty much envisioned Rajat Taneja talking like this when he delivered this little gem:
its funny you say that because until last month i was still running xp, and tbh i was rather comfortable for some high end games, ive just upgraded to future proof myself for a few yearsluvd1 said:
Forgive me but I hate the way these people throw around "The CLoud", the cloud is anything past your own closed system, it's not some magical thing, it's a bloody server. I wish they'd just call it private hosting/storage.Dexter111 said:Don't be silly, since Sim City it's clear as day what he means, "EA Sports games require the power of the cloud to run", but the power of the cloud is still not strong enough for yearly roster updates.Andy Chalk said:
Anandtech had an interesting article on that: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4
OT: No, you and I have very different ideas of high end. A machine bought now for say, £400? Yes, the PS4 is probably going to show it up due to the corners you'd cut to get there. However, a £600-£1000 machine will beat it all the way to the bank.
And 600-1000 is mid range. High end we're talking socket 2011 and quadfire.
If he limited himself to saying that the PS4 is a generation ahead of the PC, I would have no beef with this. Because frankly, it kind of is with it's 8 gigs of GDDR5 and a very good 8 core x86 processor plus a pretty solid 1.8tflops GPU and a massive memory bandwidth that makes me stand in awe. Consoles can use their power a lot more efficiently than most PC's. Even if they are less powerful. But the Xbox One is already very far behind. 8 gigs of DDR3 and a 1.2tflops GPU is pretty weak regardless of how they manage to distribute that power. My 4.9Ghz i7, AMD 7890 and 16gb of DDR3 demolish the Xbox One.
Now all this console power won't make any difference when the consoles are released. DDR4 and GDDR5 are both coming to PC in 2014 along with new processors, graphics cards and motherboards. PC will be the most powerful machine by the end of the second quarter of 2014 probably. Not to mention one thing that really makes a huge difference and consoles don't have it. The motherfuckin' SSD.
Now all this console power won't make any difference when the consoles are released. DDR4 and GDDR5 are both coming to PC in 2014 along with new processors, graphics cards and motherboards. PC will be the most powerful machine by the end of the second quarter of 2014 probably. Not to mention one thing that really makes a huge difference and consoles don't have it. The motherfuckin' SSD.