EA Exec: Xbox One and PS4 Are "A Generation Ahead" Of PC

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The Comfy Chair

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Adam Jensen said:
I already explained this to you. Latency isn't an issue when your entire system is using the same type of memory. The timings are reduced by eliminating the transfer latency. It's good stuff. Timing makes very little difference in gaming performance anyway. Memory bandwidth however makes a huge difference. And PS4's memory bandwidth is 176Gb/s.
But memory has an inherent latency when combined with a memory controller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency

APUs still use a memory controller. I don't see how latency would be reduced (This is not something i've heard of before in the way you're describing it.), since a memory controller is always present with all memory and a memory controller only ever handles one type of memory anyway. GDDR5 simply does have higher inherent latency.

Also, it's impossible to eliminate latency, because, well, electrons still need to move 'n' ting. Unless Sony have developed FTL communications AND moved away from CMOS in one go. If so, i salute them and i also wonder why the PS4 isn't more powerful in that case seeing how it must have fantastical tech inside it. Also, it means AMD have been holding out on us, the gits.

Although it's all a bit of a strange thing to be having too much of a discussion about, the CPU in the PS4 is at a slow clock speed anyway (it's also 'slow' in the traditional sense, which is important for why GDDR5 is a good idea for PS4), it's hardly going to need really low latency memory to do well. It's only running at ~1.6GHz with an average IPC (instructions per clock) of <1, so if it missed a few cycles waiting for memory it's hardly going to be a big deal. It's why CPUs back in the past could deal with having very large latency memory. Whereas High latency memory on a chip running at 4.5GHz with a higher IPC like ivy bridge would have a larger impact on performance as the CPU will potentially waste more cycles waiting for the memory and each of those cycles can do much more than something like Jaguar can. The higher the performance of the processor, the more relevant memory latency is.

As a result, Sony made a good move by using GDDR5, since it benefits the GPU greatly as it will utilize the bandwidth, but wont disadvantage the CPU much, as it's not fast enough to appreciate the lower latency of DDR3. PCs separate the two because both aspects of PCs are 'high performance', so a compromise results in large performance degradation of one component.

To put it in the form of an analogy: low latency memory in the PS4 would be like putting really, really expensive tires on a bog standard fiat punto. It's nice for the punto to have, but it wont improve handling much more than some 'good' tires. Whereas if you slapped those amazeballs tires on a ferrari, you'd notice it.
 

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I like how he's saying a machine where I can literally place the components of the "superior" machine into it and make it run is somehow "inferior."
 

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digital warrior said:
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That's a bold statement and Taneja offers no details to back it up, but I have to wonder how either the Xbone or the PS4 would stack up against a PC built around, say, a 4.5 Ghz quad-core CPU and three Nvidia Titans - since we are, after all, talking about the "highest-end PCs" available. Or is he referring to mass-market machines, the sort of off-the-rack (but still relatively "high-end") Dell rig your mom might buy to send emails and play hidden object games? That's a different scenario entirely, and one in which this comparison fits far more easily - but that's also a demographic that's far less likely to be interested in what Rajat Taneja thinks about the coming generation of consoles.
Don't be silly, since Sim City it's clear as day what he means, "EA Sports games require the power of the cloud to run", but the power of the cloud is still not strong enough for yearly roster updates.

At some point, both Sony and Microsoft will release detailed specs about the hardware in, and performance of, their new gaming consoles - and until it does, claims like this, even coming from a guy who'd appear to be in a position to know, are just going to look silly.
Anandtech had an interesting article on that: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4
My pc has better stats. Just sayin EA. Also want to ask a question when will you get your head out of your ass EA?
This post made me laugh lol because it hits right on the money. The PS4 and Xbox one are already behind in tech vs PC's and since consoles are designed on the at the moment tech as soon as they hit the market the PC surpasses it, not to mention that you can only upgrade PC's and not consoles which are stuck with whatever technologies they are released with at the time.
 

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What dose it matter if these new consoles are so much better than any PC ever built?

PC gaming is dead according to these guys.
 

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Currently my PC is only lagging behind the Xbone and PS4 due to me not having bought a new processor in the last three years. If I spend some money my pc is back on top of the two and even then it's not a high-end pc. This is just borderline kindergarten management if your boss accepts spreading such ridiculous lies just to boost sales.
 

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Maybe EA should just learn to shut the fuck up already, since no one can take them seriously anyway, and this kind of stuff just makes it harder.
 

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For some reason I'm reminded of that one Critical Miss comic where that one red-haired British guy who's name escapes me is talking to someone about the sonic fan-base and he's trying not to laugh... my mind works is mysterious ways, i guess
 

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I'm not computer-literate enough to know if what he is claiming is true, but is anyone at EA, Sony or Microsoft aware that most of us dirty console gamers really just care about games?

You know, the things that consoles used to be all about?

I thought all this hardware dick-waving was reserved for the custom rig PC crowd, I give less than a shit how many gigawatts you've jammed into these consoles; have you got any games to show me that aren't sequels of franchises I stopped caring about two or three years ago?
 

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Flamb3Nobunaga said:
For some reason I'm reminded of that one Critical Miss comic where that one red-haired British guy who's name escapes me is talking to someone about the sonic fan-base and he's trying not to laugh... my mind works is mysterious ways, i guess
Found it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9556-Show-Me-Your-Journo-Face
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA... *breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Consoles will by definition, never be ahead of PC's. Not because PC's are better. But because that's the way technology migrates.
 

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Wenseph said:
Maybe EA should just learn to shut the fuck up already, since no one can take them seriously anyway, and this kind of stuff just makes it harder.
Lmao haha high five
 

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I can understand certain parts of it being faster, when making one type of device you can link the chips together much closer than a PC using very direct connections. But in terms of total performance, my PC has double the ram of these consoles and runs Crysis 3 at more than 75fps if i didn't limit it.

In comparison the new Killzone is 30fps...
 

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Let's imagine he IS right, and the new consoles are somehow incredibly powerful and will beat even most extreme gaming PCs out there, for a bargain of $300-$500 (sorry, I have NOT looked for actual prices!). Would I be willing to make the move from PC to this glorious new console generation? I wouldn't even sacrifice the mod support I enjoy with my PC, not to mention the posibility to play Star Citizen when it becomes available (can't wait!). And in the end, the games my friends and I play the most are not the prettiest, most beautiful games on the market... Gems like Minecraft and Guns of Icarus, Killingfloor and the Project Reality mod for Battlefiled 2... This is the stuff we mostly play!

But I can only asume he's NOT trying to convince any PC gamers to migrate to a console... He's just gently patting the console players back, wisper sweet promises into his ear, promises of soon being able to claim graphical superiority over those uppity PC gamers! Not that a lot of PC gamer's aren't obnoxious as hell...

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It's always fun to see people talk shit. I can't wait to see how his words measure up to reality.

Edit: Can someone please tell me what exactly a generation is in terms of video game systems? Like, what technological change defines a generation?
From what I understand, a generation is defined by the manufacturers jointly deciding it's time to increase the number at the end of their console by 1. Well, Sony does that anyway... Nintendo and Microsoft still seem caught up in trying to make up spilly names for their machines.
 

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I could leave it at this to sum up my feelings on the matter, but I know for a fact that the PS4 and the Xbone have nothing on a custom built medium level gaming machine.
 

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Thats like saying your new sports cars will be further ahead in the face than the finish line.
Unless they have access to a time machine I find myself doubtful.
 

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Just posting to say that this thread seems to have brought together the trifecta of gaming. PC/PS/XB gamers alike are all banding together to call this guy an idiot.

Now we know that all that was needed to bring us together in one big happy family group hug was an EA douche spouting crap.

THANKS EA! :D xoxox


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Oh look more things EA say things that makes me laugh, the only reason a console can compete with a Gaming rig is because they know the exact hardware they don't have to deal with interface software such as Physx and DirectX. Please EA stop pretending the Xbox 3 is the ultimate box in the world, no gamer was impressed even the biggest fanboys of Xbox weren't.

Come tell me this again when I buy a Titan or 2 780's in a couple of months time.
 

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So if the Xbone is more powerful than the most godly PC, that means the PS4 is 50% more powerful than Super Saiyan 4 Jesus...and I can't stop laughing....what the shit is wrong with EA?
 

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Hey guys, not to be controversial or anything be as a PC gamer I got to say he is right. On the competing race track consoles have turned 180 degrees and from their perspective they really are now generations ahead of PC which is in fact heading completely opposite direction away from them.
 

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A tip for console manufactures and desginers in general: NEVER say what Microsoft has just said. You may be right about the mojority of even custom-built gaming PCs used, but there will always be that inexplicably well-off sector of games who drop 10 grand on 4.6 Ghz 20-core monster with a dozen Radeon HD 7990s, cooled by liquid nitrogen and powered by its own diesel generator, outclassing the combined computing power of South Korea, which is really saying something.