EA: "There Is No Feud With Valve"

[IamLEAM1983]

Oh, sure. You're not competing with Steam, Origin. Right. Not competing with someone involves pulling all of your catalog from their site and holding disparaging comments about the other's sales practices. Your "discounted" copies are still much more expensive than Steam's lasting copies of Mass Effect II. Right.

Excuse me while I leave the room to engage in a fit of hysterical laughter for a moment. Thank you.

Captcha: U.S. Cellular
I'm not an American, dipshit.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I kind of wish EA would put their DLC on Steam. It's a hell of a lot better than jumping through multiple sites to buy goddamn bioware points to buy goddamn DLC off their goddamn site. They could still have their shitty-ass site purchases, they would just need to put their DLC on Steam as well. But they won't, because then everyone would buy off Steam because doing that is a hell of a lot easier than going to the damn Bioware social site to find the damn DLC to get re-directed to the game's damn website to buy goddamn Bioware points to finally buy the freaking DLC.

tis truth, you speak.

I was always aggravated with it myself, it really made dealing with EA a pain in the ass, and thanks to their fuck up in security I almost lost all my DLC (almost up to 60+ dollars worth of it, mind you, for dragon age and awakening and mass effect I had god damn near everything.) and had to spend literal HOURS on the phone/instant messenger trying to get someone to let me recover my account, because EA decided to randomly fuck it all up and change everything so I couldn't log on or access it with my e-mail.

/rant

still, while EA's words I can agree with in a slight way, their motive/actions I cannot, as they tend to fuck the customer over with one giant god damn dildo constantly just so you can play the god damn game.

 

[ResonanceGames]

This isn't surprising. Large companies aren't teenage fanboys looking for messageboard feuds. they're made up of relatively rational adults (insert obvious and out of context cheap joke about corporations here).

EA doesn't hate Valve, they just want to make more money in the digital space. And considering what they're up against, they're doing a really assy job of it -- par for the course with pretty much everything EA does these days.

 

[edos63]

'Steam's frequent sales "cheapen intellectual property"'
EA actually said that? Irony much.

"Gabe's a great friend of EA's. We're a great friend of his, we like to think."
This makes me think that EA are setting themselves up as the victim in case Valve tries a more aggressive response to their criticisms.

 

[uncanny474]

Notice no one seemed to point out the big, bad, evil EA published Left 4 Dead and Portal 2...

EA published a LOT of games people liked. I myself have several EA games. I try to avoid them, but it's virtually impossible.

I'm not angry at their games, I'm angry at their business practices. For instance, I refuse to buy ME3, LITERALLY because it is on Origin. If it was on ANYTHING ELSE (except G4WL, because that's a joke) I'd buy it. GOG, some 3rd party nobody's ever heard of, anything. But nope. Origin. So, no sale.

 

[Metalrocks]

what i understand from ?As statement is, that they dont agree with valve terms because they dont get the full amount of money for their product. it hurts ?A so much to see how steam sells games for 75% off and they dont want to see their titles getting reduced.

and ?A are great friends with valve??? dont make me laugh. they clearly dont like valves scheme. i know ?A is going down but no need to come up with such a stupid lie to make them sound better in a way. valve is above you ?A, you cant beat them. accept your loss and get out.
hope this rumor will turn out to be true and someone buys them and we can say "bye bye ?A, hope to never see you again".

 

[Frostbite3789]

Snip

At the same time, Steamworks has made downloading mods needlessly complicated. What is this subscribe crap? Why isn't it downloading? Where is a download and install button? I've restarted the game and Steam multiple times and nothing happens! I thought we were streamlining the process?! WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU HERE?!

Anyways.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Notice no one seemed to point out the big, bad, evil EA published Left 4 Dead and Portal 2...

EA published a LOT of games people liked. I myself have several EA games. I try to avoid them, but it's virtually impossible.

I'm not angry at their games, I'm angry at their business practices. For instance, I refuse to buy ME3, LITERALLY because it is on Origin. If it was on ANYTHING ELSE (except G4WL, because that's a joke) I'd buy it. GOG, some 3rd party nobody's ever heard of, anything. But nope. Origin. So, no sale.

It doesn't use his DRM of choice so he won't play it!

 

[grigjd3]

Aww, is EA realizing that no-one is spending money on their little bastardized Origin service? Who's stupid enough to think they can compete with Steam? Yes you are, EA. You are stupid enough.

 

[meepop]

say did they ever say what part of the terms of service they disagreed with? i really cannot remember them ever saying what it was.

Apparently because Valve was getting to large a share of DLC revenue over steam.

Like apparently EA WAS NOT GETTING 100% of the money! IT WAS SO CRUEL!

Basically, yeah. But the other thing is, even if that IS a valid reason, it doesn't change the fact that EA still knowingly gave us bad games. I mean, that's why Battlefield 3 wasn't on Steam, because EA wanted to give the most gamers the highest-quality experience possible. And Steam's "Restrictive ToS" wouldn't allow that.

But in doing so, in raising the quality and standard of games, I realized that their games that were on Steam before, like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and Mirror's Edge, along with other EA games on Steam, were just horrible in terms of quality. There was SUCH a difference in playing Battlefield 3, and playing Battlefield: Bad Company 2. I just noticed such a raise in quality between the games that they have on Steam, and Battlefield 3. And they sold those awful games to us. Steam made playing those games TERRIBLE, and they should be ashamed for their awful sins.

OT: If the ToS was the only reason they didn't want Battlefield 3 and other games on Steam, I could maybe accept that. But if they're going to insist that games like Battlefield 3 were and are better in terms of quality, delivering patches and whatnot on Origin, compared to Mirror's Edge and BF:BC2 on Steam, then I can really see how come they were voted worst company.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I didn't know Sith could use force suggestion....

Force Suggestion is a Dark(ish)side power, it over-rides freewill.

I wouldn't call it a feud, more like a bad competition. Origin is like that guy who competed in the Olympics even though he was woefully unprepared. But without the cheering to support him.

 

[uncanny474]

It doesn't use his DRM of choice so he won't play it!

It's not about it not using a specific DRM the name of which rhymes with "seam". It's about it using DRM that is restrictive, obtuse, and altogether a detriment to the experience. If Origin worked, I would use it. If it wasn't designed to screw me over, I would use it. But it doesn't and it is.

 

[baconfist]

Snip

At the same time, Steamworks has made downloading mods needlessly complicated. What is this subscribe crap? Why isn't it downloading? Where is a download and install button? I've restarted the game and Steam multiple times and nothing happens! I thought we were streamlining the process?! WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU HERE?!

Anyways.

Took me a few minutes to figure out how to use the steamworks thing too but its still pretty easy and quick.

 

[FantomOmega]

Is it really fair to label them as "competitors"? Origin can't even touch Steam.

I think EA deluded themselves thinking that if they smack talk Steam that their so-called "following" on Origin will back them up, and the thing is that people CHOSE to use Steam while a majority of people were forced to use Origin so when everyone including their dog got angry at their remarks they suddenly say that "there hostility towards Steam may be exaggerated?" REALLY?!

If people agreed with EA about Origin being superior (my mind couldn't even see anything EA related and the word "superior " in the same sentience) they would have KEPT talking smack about Steam, they're lucky Valve didn't just stomp them into the ground but why bother when it's something as insignificant as Origin?

The "fight" would have ended before Valve needed to get off the couch

 

[orangeapples]

I'm not sure I understand. There are still a handful of EA titles on Steam, just nothing from their more recent catalog (since the launch of Origin). What are all you talking about? Doesn't seem like EA had any of their games removed from Steam...

 

[anian]

"They insist on being a layer between the game developer and publisher and the consumer."
...while EA wants to be a publisher AND that layer. I've yet to hear about some developer being sad that their game is sold through Steam...maybe Valve is really good at covering things up, but I doubt it.

All the changes in attitudes (from relationship between the companies, to the "cheapening intellectual property" hypocrisy that was plainly visible), all the control EA wants to have etc. just points to an unstable company that has no control over what it's people say in public and there's no united "vision", except they want more money.
They have ZERO to none employers who know how to work the digital distribution system without sounding like they want to control users and shortchange them every chance they get, I'm not saying Gabe's machine is any different, but he hides it much better. Really clear way to see it is the way Valve's acting really neutral with Origin statements, striking back when they really insult, but basically not saying anything.

Steam is not that much of a competitor to Origin, because Steam didn't really lose money when Origin appeared, they just didn't make even more of it.

What EA is doing is just bad business organisation and marketing.