EA: "There Is No Feud With Valve"
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Basically, yeah. But the other thing is, even if that IS a valid reason, it doesn't change the fact that EA still knowingly gave us bad games. I mean, that's why Battlefield 3 wasn't on Steam, because EA wanted to give the most gamers the highest-quality experience possible. And Steam's "Restrictive ToS" wouldn't allow that.tmande2nd said:
But in doing so, in raising the quality and standard of games, I realized that their games that were on Steam before, like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and Mirror's Edge, along with other EA games on Steam, were just horrible in terms of quality. There was SUCH a difference in playing Battlefield 3, and playing Battlefield: Bad Company 2. I just noticed such a raise in quality between the games that they have on Steam, and Battlefield 3. And they sold those awful games to us. Steam made playing those games TERRIBLE, and they should be ashamed for their awful sins.
OT: If the ToS was the only reason they didn't want Battlefield 3 and other games on Steam, I could maybe accept that. But if they're going to insist that games like Battlefield 3 were and are better in terms of quality, delivering patches and whatnot on Origin, compared to Mirror's Edge and BF:BC2 on Steam, then I can really see how come they were voted worst company.
Force Suggestion is a Dark(ish)side power, it over-rides freewill.Moonlight Butterfly said:
I wouldn't call it a feud, more like a bad competition. Origin is like that guy who competed in the Olympics even though he was woefully unprepared. But without the cheering to support him.
It's not about it not using a specific DRM the name of which rhymes with "seam". It's about it using DRM that is restrictive, obtuse, and altogether a detriment to the experience. If Origin worked, I would use it. If it wasn't designed to screw me over, I would use it. But it doesn't and it is.Frostbite3789 said:
I think EA deluded themselves thinking that if they smack talk Steam that their so-called "following" on Origin will back them up, and the thing is that people CHOSE to use Steam while a majority of people were forced to use Origin so when everyone including their dog got angry at their remarks they suddenly say that "there hostility towards Steam may be exaggerated?" REALLY?!anthony87 said:
If people agreed with EA about Origin being superior (my mind couldn't even see anything EA related and the word "superior " in the same sentience) they would have KEPT talking smack about Steam, they're lucky Valve didn't just stomp them into the ground but why bother when it's something as insignificant as Origin?
The "fight" would have ended before Valve needed to get off the couch
I'm not sure I understand. There are still a handful of EA titles on Steam, just nothing from their more recent catalog (since the launch of Origin). What are all you talking about? Doesn't seem like EA had any of their games removed from Steam...
"They insist on being a layer between the game developer and publisher and the consumer."
...while EA wants to be a publisher AND that layer. I've yet to hear about some developer being sad that their game is sold through Steam...maybe Valve is really good at covering things up, but I doubt it.
All the changes in attitudes (from relationship between the companies, to the "cheapening intellectual property" hypocrisy that was plainly visible), all the control EA wants to have etc. just points to an unstable company that has no control over what it's people say in public and there's no united "vision", except they want more money.
They have ZERO to none employers who know how to work the digital distribution system without sounding like they want to control users and shortchange them every chance they get, I'm not saying Gabe's machine is any different, but he hides it much better. Really clear way to see it is the way Valve's acting really neutral with Origin statements, striking back when they really insult, but basically not saying anything.
Steam is not that much of a competitor to Origin, because Steam didn't really lose money when Origin appeared, they just didn't make even more of it.
What EA is doing is just bad business organisation and marketing.
...while EA wants to be a publisher AND that layer. I've yet to hear about some developer being sad that their game is sold through Steam...maybe Valve is really good at covering things up, but I doubt it.
All the changes in attitudes (from relationship between the companies, to the "cheapening intellectual property" hypocrisy that was plainly visible), all the control EA wants to have etc. just points to an unstable company that has no control over what it's people say in public and there's no united "vision", except they want more money.
They have ZERO to none employers who know how to work the digital distribution system without sounding like they want to control users and shortchange them every chance they get, I'm not saying Gabe's machine is any different, but he hides it much better. Really clear way to see it is the way Valve's acting really neutral with Origin statements, striking back when they really insult, but basically not saying anything.
Steam is not that much of a competitor to Origin, because Steam didn't really lose money when Origin appeared, they just didn't make even more of it.
What EA is doing is just bad business organisation and marketing.
Does anyone else finds that hilariously ironic?
i dont see why not, the more places a costumer can buy the thing the better. Altrough i do have a bit f a problem with naming. GOG stands for Good old Games, and left 4 dead is neither.Draech said:
Steams terms of service dont let you spy on your costumers. "Oh not their terms and conditions does not fits ours we must make a scandal out of it".
This reminds me of that kid in school that loses a fight he starts then claims he wasn't serious and that he was joking around.
Good thing too because Origin is no even close to touching steam.
Good thing too because Origin is no even close to touching steam.
No. EA's feud is with it's customer's and fanbase, not with any other company.
See their target market want good games for fair prices, but their voice isn't as valuable as the voice of shareholders who demand higher quarterly profits at ALL COSTS!
EA said they won't bring games back to steam without their bullshit DLC money-hoover like the Cerberus Network where you have to fork out so much more money to get the whole plot and character development you thought you paid for already when you bought the game.
See their target market want good games for fair prices, but their voice isn't as valuable as the voice of shareholders who demand higher quarterly profits at ALL COSTS!
EA said they won't bring games back to steam without their bullshit DLC money-hoover like the Cerberus Network where you have to fork out so much more money to get the whole plot and character development you thought you paid for already when you bought the game.
That's strangely similar to "I'm not a homophobe - I have gay friends."Cognimancer said:
And I'd very likely play Battlefield 3 if I could run it through Steam, but I can't so I won't. It really is that simple; I'm *NOT* using Origin, EVER.
You don't just "build" a community like that. I honestly can't think of anything they could add that Steam doesn't already do. And if they did manage to come up with something, Steam would just implement something similar and everyone would use that purely because of social inertia.Cognimancer said:
Did anyone else read this sentence and think that EA are now diversifying into human slavery?Cognimancer said:
Nothing to see here folks! It's just a double-post jamboree!
Don't act like this is surprising. Move along!
Don't act like this is surprising. Move along!
Oh, lovely. This ticks all of the P.R boxes:
(1) Damage control statement.
(2) Reiteration of initial criticism/introduction of further criticisms.
(3) Passive-aggressive tone throughout entire statement.
(4) Positive spin/self-promotion to conclude the statement.
That's some really nice work, guys. Let me have a go at that:
(1) Of course I don't hate all German people! You just misunderstood me when I said that! I have lots of German friends, and I like to think that they all like me! (2) Seriously, people like you misunderstand me all the time. I mean, even though their country WAS responsible for the holocaust, and they WERE all nazis at one time, you certainly can't hold that against them today...right? At least, I know that I certainly don't.
(4) Anyhow, I'm actually off to Germany next week. Yeah, that's right. Going to visit Auschwitz and all of the other memorials while I'm there, too. It's just the right thing to do, you know, in a country like Germany. And I always try to do the right thing.
(1) Damage control statement.
(2) Reiteration of initial criticism/introduction of further criticisms.
(3) Passive-aggressive tone throughout entire statement.
(4) Positive spin/self-promotion to conclude the statement.
That's some really nice work, guys. Let me have a go at that:
(1) Of course I don't hate all German people! You just misunderstood me when I said that! I have lots of German friends, and I like to think that they all like me! (2) Seriously, people like you misunderstand me all the time. I mean, even though their country WAS responsible for the holocaust, and they WERE all nazis at one time, you certainly can't hold that against them today...right? At least, I know that I certainly don't.
(4) Anyhow, I'm actually off to Germany next week. Yeah, that's right. Going to visit Auschwitz and all of the other memorials while I'm there, too. It's just the right thing to do, you know, in a country like Germany. And I always try to do the right thing.
I read this and visualise the EA spokesperson while sayin 'there is no confilict', seeing in the background EA employees undergoing gruelling gladiator training with many fatal accidents and someone else building a giant death ray, badly.