EA: "There Is No Feud With Valve"

[Setch Dreskar]

EA: "There Is No Feud With Valve"

Valve boss Game Newell has

Haha, Gabe has a new name, and it is very fitting.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

They take a piece of the revenue stream.

Spokesman quote trimmed down for relevant parts

 

[The Great JT]

There's no feud between the King of Digital Distribution and the smelly ne'er-do-well peasant that is Origin. No feud at all.

 

[Thoric485]

Spinning paid DLC as "patches and updates", classic EA.

 

[Coffinshaker]

no feud? so that means steam will get mass effect 3 then pretty soon right? ...right?

 

[Overusedname]

"There is no war in Ba Sing Sae."

...Ahem.

I smell a conspiracy.

 

[Amgeo]

An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

 

[TheDutch3Z]

It's obvious that if Valve see's a group of programers making something great (like portal) they will just eat them up, then try to sell it in a way to make more profit for the company. Valve is a business who's goal is to make money. Big shocker. Shove thoes fucking hats up your ***!!

1.The group of students themselfs showed Valve their project , Valve havent bought them out.
2.You know what is the difference between Valve's way of hiring people and EA's?

 

[Bloodstain]

I have no grudge against EA.

They want all the DLC revenues, Steam wants its share, so naturally, EA closes the deal and does its own thing.
Fair enough to me, nothing to rage or to be snarky about.

 

[1nfinite_Cros5]

no feud? so that means steam will get mass effect 3 then pretty soon right? ...right?

I wish.

As much as I want to play the game, lucky for me to avoid ALL spoilers of the story for this long, I REFUSE to get Origin for it.

 

[Bloodstain]

I'm sorry, but when the link that is supposed to show "Valve doesn't hate Origin" is written by a guy who claims Gabe is a "leading man at Valve" takes place, I kinda just have to roll my eyes at the whole thing. Valve has no center/direction aka management... So why do we care what one dude says??? Am I the only one who read the report of Valves vacant management system??

It's obvious that if Valve see's a group of programers making something great (like portal) they will just eat them up, then try to sell it in a way to make more profit for the company. Valve is a business who's goal is to make money. Big shocker. Shove thoes fucking hats up your ***!!

It seems juvenile to me, that people make such harsh assumptions of EA, when at the end of the day, they just want to make great games too. But I realize the hipster mentality infests the masses of forum posters, so I humbly request you don't quote my post and call me a troll, wish me imprisonment, or in any way try to make me feel small. Cuz that's what I have had to deal with for quite some time now....

Bottom line: You want to take sides, cuz you think things are simple black and white issues. I don't think they are. EA doesn't want shit games. Don't you get that?!?!?!? Nah, you probably don't.

I agree with you. EA is far from being the pit of evilness that people make it out to be -- and it is even farther from being America's worst company.
Both Valve and EA are businesses. One is more successful than the other right now. There really isn't much more to it.
But hey, EA is evulz and deserves to die! And all those employed at EA, who have families to feed, should be jobless! Yes, that would make the gaming industry better!

 

[brazuca]

Am I the only one that think that EA did not put their IP in Steam in order to boost Origin? You can not play HL 2, L4D 1 and 2, TF 2, Portal 1 and 2 and Dota 2 without Steam. In fact Steam is mandatory to Valve games and people do not complain. EA should increase it's Origin quality, read sale and disccount. Valve is not the good force distributing candy. EA is not Hitler's evil version corporate wet dream. They both want profit.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Basically Steam terms were updated to say that any DLC must be on Steam in addition to anywhere else. EA wants their DLC to be on their own sites, and nowhere else.

And so... disagreement.

I kind of wish EA would put their DLC on Steam. It's a hell of a lot better than jumping through multiple sites to buy goddamn bioware points to buy goddamn DLC off their goddamn site. They could still have their shitty-ass site purchases, they would just need to put their DLC on Steam as well. But they won't, because then everyone would buy off Steam because doing that is a hell of a lot easier than going to the damn Bioware social site to find the damn DLC to get re-directed to the game's damn website to buy goddamn Bioware points to finally buy the freaking DLC.

Sorry, got a bit carried away there...

EDIT: Do you know what you have to do to download Bring Down the Sky for Mass Effect on the PC? Well to download this free DLC, you have to search for the thing, which will take a while to find. Put in your game's activation code, download it, find out you can't open it because it sends the code to a profile on a site that doesn't exist anymore, contact EA support, and have them email you a replacement code to use.

All this. To download a free DLC. You'd think they would fix this now that they have their own service, you know, put it on Origin for easy downloading. In fact, you'd think they do this with the ME2 and all the Dragon Age DLC. You know, make it easy to find and buy. But NOPE. Because... I don't even fucking know why. It has been like this for goddamn years.

With Steam, you just have to find it and buy it. It'll download and install in its own.

And they're supposed to compete with Steam. Hilarious.

Sorry, got carried away. Again. It's just... they could do their DLC so much better and make buying/installing it so much easier. They are capable of doing so much better.. But they don't and aren't. And I don't know why. And that confuses and infuriates me.

Sorry, got a bit carried away. Again.

So true, I once bought a DLC for a EA/Bioware title and never bought any more.

Funnily enough, I was very quick to snap up the DLC for Fallout:New Vegas and, more recently, Skyrim.

Also never had any issues with Steam autopatching games, it's a useful feature imo.

 

[jmarquiso]

Is that any different for any other game that doesn't use Steam?

You really think that Notch isn't putting Minecraft on steam solely for ideological reasons? He didn't have a problem working with Microsoft when it meant opening up more market.

How is it different from Valve insisting that their games were sold with Steam?

They don't insist. They offer it to developers FOR FREE -

http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/

It's DRM that has goodwill from the people who use it. They have a large presold audience that already like and use steam, and it's a great sell for devs who want and need DRM but don' t want to get on gamers' bad sides.

Not necessarily taking "their side", but understand that Steamworks is a separate product that Valve sells to developers, while Steam is a platform they sell to the users. Compare it to UPlay, Games for Windows Live, Origin (or what used to be EA Download Manager), Gamespy, etc. Steam is just a service that users prefer, amongst everything due to more service added.

Personally, I happen to like UPlay and even Origin to an extent. UPlay offers rewards for achievements (which probably skews their statistics by "gaming the system" in the form of extra stuff, Origin has better customer service, but a lousy update system. They both need better friends systems, and I need more friends on those platforms.

 

[Neino Ranatos]

An ant has no quarrel with a boot.

Well played, my good sir. Well played.

Yeah...all there is to see here is that EA is on "Damage Control Mode". Kind of a pity that they fancy themselves competition with Steam when they tend to struggle with getting ahead of Activision.

If y'all will excuse me, I'm gonna go see what all I can get on Steam for these five measly dollars.

 

[jmarquiso]

I am sorry you seem to have missunderstod what I said.

Valve doesn't insist that their own games go through their distribution?

I think you will find that they do.

This is no different than EA insisting on Origin for their games.

Yeah, I misunderstood. The "they" in "their" referred to Valve, not those who wish to distribute through Steam.

 

[Somebloke]

There are plenty of things I don't begrudge EA, with regards to their digital distribution ambitions, BUT...

...I still want to know exactly (and without PR filters) WHAT it is they want to do directly with their customers, that they can not do through Steamworks and the Steam terms of service.

 

[Laughing Man]

I always wondered why EA published L4D and Portal 2 on consoles if they supposedly despise Valve, I mean, why help your rival?

Why do people keep using this as some sort of debate?

When EA was publishing these two software titles their digital distribution system EADM was the choice people used if they had no other route to go to to get their software, since their were many alternatives to EADM, including cutting off your own arm and beating yourself with it, EADM didn't exactly have the chops to take on STEAM.

Then EA hit the pay dirt, BF3, it was going to be a massive title, seriously massive. A fan base of dedicated PC users who would buy the game no matter what and who had been waiting over 5 years to get the next game in the series.

Now how can we exploit such a captivated market, oh yeah repackage EADM as Origin and force every user who buys the game, DD or Retail to have to install the software to play BF3, then remove ALL your games from the opposition and you further force people, any people who want to play your games, to go a head and have to use your re packaged EADM which people had been actively avoiding and more than likely using STEAM as an alternative.

You can tell that a lot of this came about at a last minute by the fact that Origin, the software you were FORCED to use if you wanted to play BF3 has only just come out of BETA. Yeah they force you to use BETA software to play your legally purchased games.

EA got the tri factor at just the right time to force the PC user in to having to use Origin

BF3 followed by ME3 and they knew they had to pull Steam support for other games because they knew people would just use Steam for anything other than the games that had forced Origin on you to play them.

As for the feud, just seems that Valve and EA are trying to climb over each other to see how can reach the highest ground in the argument.

Valve could probably cut a deal to get EA games back on it DD service, something that would work both ways for Valve and EA

EA should man up, if Origin is as good as they think it is then it should be going toe to toe with Steam, and reading EA reps saying they won;t use Steam because it is an additional layer between gamer and publisher is comical in the highest sense, EA have used any number of DRM systems which act as barriers between gamer and the publishers content for years and unlike Steam most of them have been massive piles of wank that have ruined or made game unplayable.

 

[alj]

Yeh EA why do you have to be the special case, everyone else is more than happy to put the games on steam but just because you want to throw your weight around to make people change does not mean its going to work.

Valve are too big for you to bully. We all know the main reason tho don't we EA you don't want any competition to your retarded on-line prices. I am sure if you did start 3rd party game on origin people would not do the same to you.

You aint helping yourself by doing this tho, the more people that have access to your games the more people will buy them shocker I know but that's how it works.

Publishers ***** that nobody buys pc games any more and at the same time does not have them in retail stores for the general consumer to buy ( have walked into a store and there has been more space dedicated to a not yet out xbox football game that's the same every year then the WHOLE PC SECTION alone and one 1/3 of that was for wow), or in this case will not put them on the biggest digital distributional platform for game in the world. Thats like a hooker moaning that she did not get any passing trade when at home in bed sleeping.

God dam Retards

 

[EHKOS]

EA: We can take on digital distribution! We have Origin!
VALVe: We have a Heavy.