Escape to the Movies: Captain America

iamultraman

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It's really that good? Really? My friend and I keep on arguing about seeing a superhero movie, and his fallback answer is, "They're [the producers] going to mess up the reputations of the characters." I suggested we'd watch Green Lantern. Thus he has won the debate, for the time being. Hopefully if I show him this it'll knock out his cynicism.

Also, from what I've gather, Captain America--in response to comments by the international pool--is American in a pre-19th century way. We're many generations away from the first, revolutionary generation and we're encountering, on a similar magnitude, withdrawal from those first ideals. I'm fairly sure that most Americans wouldn't understand that self-sovereignty is the major emphasis of the Constitution, not freedom, a broader and a more impractical ideal. Perhaps this is greatly due to the notion of American exceptionalism as presented by James Polk; American jingoism certainly didn't start here, but it became nightmarish from this entry point. Captain America, to me, has always been the representative of the ideals of the revolutionary generation (just, he holds off the Jefferson a little). Cap is also an American exceptionalist by way of Tocqueville, mixing individualistic thought with communal. That's not American as we know now, but American as we knew back then, when it was great and other countries thought it was great too and did what we did. I think that's why there's little reason to hate Cap. He's an American who is reminiscent of America: a by-product from the Enlightenment and colonial sense. You can say a lot about America--I wouldn't mind because I'm ready to get out of this place and into Canada--but you can't say, "Gee, Americans were big jerks when they were fighting off British rule and creating their own system of government."

Well, you can.
 

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I wonder if it's gonna be cheesy for the non-American audiences. I remember going to see one of the spiderman movies, and there was a scene where spiderman leaps into the roof of a building and lands in front of a US flag which took up the whole screen... Everyone in the theatre groaned.
 

Thorvan

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The corn line was the best thing Bob has ever said.

Also, saw the movie a few hours ago. Was impressed, it definitely lived up to expectations and generally performed well. not quite as good as First Class, (but First Class was the bee's knee's) but better than both Iron Mans (Iron Men?) and I haven't seen Thor.
 

K4RN4GE911

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This was a triumph....

OT: I'm seeing this next week. And if Bob's right, then this movie will be concentrated awesome. Can. Not. Wait.
 

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Safaia said:
During a time when there was a blank screen before the ending (not spoiling) someone in the theater said AMERICA.

And the 1/4 of the theater that stayed through the credits starting clapping.
Did anyone screamed "AMERICA , FUCK YEAH !" there ? :p

Really hoped that movie would suck , just to have my dose of Schadenfreude on Bob's misery :mad:

but I guess that's might happen , next summer ! >:)
 

Nurb

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You know, I'm glad to see a genuinely good guy that isn't cynical or "ironic". I'm so sick of every character having some degree of either of them to appeal to smartass kids and their disposable income and they'll still like this character without it.

Though I still wouldn't want to be near a guy in combat with a big brightly colored sheild that looks like a big target.
 

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Sounds like its worth a try since the normally jaded Bob is giving it so much praise then again I fear you enjoy the acting because it flows along the same line as Michael Cera in Scott Pilgrim (which you also praised) if thats the case no thank you.
 

Nurb

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Mangue Surfer said:
Nautical Honors Society said:
Most major superheroes are Americans, in America, saving Americans.

Yes they save the planet here and there, but it is mostly America.

Captain America is not a patriotic demon (he actually fought against the American government in Civil War), he is a super solider forced into the role of an icon.

He is very relatable, and other countries would have no problem enjoying such a character.

Your theory is perfect, except that many people really don't care. I also have nothing against the character in the video games (only contact with I have) but it is rare to see a Captain America comic book here.

Of course, nobody has anything against the common North American, Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan walking in the park, Peter Parker and his double life and all. But international politics and the U.S. army is another thing. It's not a matter of being American is more about represent some very difficult to understanding aspects for the ordinary ?Homer Simpson foreign?.

Try imagine: Cap American is for the majority of Us what soccer is for the majority of you.
Most of us get that, but it doesn't mean people can't like other products that are produced by the US entertainment industry just as Americans like Movies and TV shows from various parts of the world where those countries make them for their own audiences.
 

DJ Jack

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Having just come back from seeing the movie myself I have to agree with everything Bob says here. Go see it!
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
That's why I can't take Bob seriously whenever it comes to comic book movies. You can never, ever do movies like you can comics. It's just jarring to do that and Marvel doesn't want to admit that

mikev7.0 said:
And the so-called "bad joke" is a million times better than anything in the Marvel universe's stuck-up, pretentious, bloated ass.

Plus we all know Wade would just smack Deathstroke with his health bar
 

KillerMort

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one thing for sure Captain America as a character was not ruined but well introduced to thepublic in cinema
 

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JehuBot said:
Safaia said:
During a time when there was a blank screen before the ending (not spoiling) someone in the theater said AMERICA.

And the 1/4 of the theater that stayed through the credits starting clapping.
Did anyone screamed "AMERICA , FUCK YEAH !" there ? :p
No because I live in Utah.
 

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I just got back from this movie about twenty minutes ago. I went alone (being the nerd that I am) but found it much more enjoyable in that sense by not having to explain every god damn thing to my friends who aren't up on their multiverse lore. (It should be noted that I have never in my life picked up a Marvel or DC comic. I am just that much of a nerd that I know what things are, usually by name, without much research. Sad? Maybe, but it helps me understand shit a lot better than most people I see movies with!)

Anyway, I have never liked Captain America. Ever. He has always been one of my top three least favorite superheroes of all time, and I have never taken him or his story seriously. After this movie, however, I have a new found respect for the character and story. This movie was incredible. I definitely recommend.

Also, I personally feel that the Avengers trailer at the end blew the whole movie out of the water. But maybe that's just hype talking.
 

2012 Wont Happen

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You reference Green Lantern more frequently in your reviews than a Texas red neck who religiously watched Glenn Beck references Socialism ruining the country.

Let it go.

The least amount of respect I have ever had for you as a reviewer has been recently due to your persistently repetitive masturbating to your own hatred of that one movie.
 
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Thank god, so many people i know (IRL and on the internet) were bashing the shit out of chris evans, when i thought he was a fine pick, and the way he played the role in the movie proved the fuck out of it.


plus the support cast? holy shit they were amazing, down to the last #39 soldier in the background.
 

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Aiddon said:
j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
That's why I can't take Bob seriously whenever it comes to comic book movies. You can never, ever do movies like you can comics. It's just jarring to do that and Marvel doesn't want to admit that

mikev7.0 said:
And the so-called "bad joke" is a million times better than anything in the Marvel universe's stuck-up, pretentious, bloated ass.

Plus we all know Wade would just smack Deathstroke with his health bar
It's a good idea to snip people's post when all you want to be heard is you but I'm not like that. Or you. However you may have a future in fanbitchy powered alternative energy because I'm pretty sure I could power a small town with the "Wah I hate Marvel!!" Butthurt.

For someone who defines Marvel as "Stuck-Up", "Pretentious", and "Bloated" it sounds like you sure like one of their characters a lot. Maybe I should leave the two of you in peace with his um "health bar"?

However, and most importantly, why are you defending obvious plagarism? You don't seem to have any particular love for Marvel and all I was alluding to is that the "House of Ideas" label really doesn't fit them since they allow obvious plagarism to occur. This shows that they really don't have any respect for the ideas of other creators. I mentioned it because I think it really is an important problem. Especially for creators.

You're also wrong about the health bar thing. d.p. is one of the weakest characters in MvC3 and pretty much anyone who actually plays the game knows that. That must be why I never see him online.... or on film. He just really IS that weak as a character. Stolen ideas tend to work out that way.
 

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Regarding the Spider-man bit at the end, I'd put forward that it's impossible to make a good Spider-man movie because, wait for it...

Spider-man is an awful super hero. There is practically nothing that can make an experience including him enjoyable.
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
Regarding the Spider-man bit at the end, I'd put forward that it's impossible to make a good Spider-man movie because, wait for it...

Spider-man is an awful super hero. There is practically nothing that can make an experience including him enjoyable.
Spider-man just hasn't really been written to his best comic standard. Spider-man is not an emo-kid which is what we got in the 3rd movie and in this new one.

He quips in the middle of combat, something he did for all of one line in the 2nd movie. Hes supposed to be more relate-able than 'last son of a dead planet' or 'crazy gadget guy whos parents were killed in front of him' (all three characters I enjoy, when written well).

Hes a dude, trying to simply do whats right with the unique powers he's been given, Super-strength, agility, pseudo- pre-cognition, his own high intellect? And hes felt the sting of what it is to waste those powers. He wants to help, and tries to help while being actively followed as a vigilante, and trying to keep up with his normal everyday activities (school, friends, family, etc.)

He can be done. It seems simple, but in the first 3 they just kinda picked and chose what aspect they wanted, but ignored the whole of the character, and kinda cheesed it up.

In this latest incarnation: "Oh man, we can totally be edgy by making him a loner, emo-kid!" To me it just screams of...I don't know I think someone thought doing this would rope in the Twilight crowd?

If people really want their Deadpool for his action and comedy? Why don't we try a Spider-man instead. Lets allow him to crack a few jokes, and really put him through some action scenes, no more emo teen drama please.
 

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Jetsetneo said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
Regarding the Spider-man bit at the end, I'd put forward that it's impossible to make a good Spider-man movie because, wait for it...

Spider-man is an awful super hero. There is practically nothing that can make an experience including him enjoyable.
Spider-man just hasn't really been written to his best comic standard. Spider-man is not an emo-kid which is what we got in the 3rd movie and in this new one.

He quips in the middle of combat, something he did for all of one line in the 2nd movie. Hes supposed to be more relate-able than 'last son of a dead planet' or 'crazy gadget guy whos parents were killed in front of him' (all three characters I enjoy, when written well).

Hes a dude, trying to simply do whats right with the unique powers he's been given, Super-strength, agility, pseudo- pre-cognition, his own high intellect? And hes felt the sting of what it is to waste those powers. He wants to help, and tries to help while being actively followed as a vigilante, and trying to keep up with his normal everyday activities (school, friends, family, etc.)

He can be done. It seems simple, but in the first 3 they just kinda picked and chose what aspect they wanted, but ignored the whole of the character, and kinda cheesed it up.

In this latest incarnation: "Oh man, we can totally be edgy by making him a loner, emo-kid!" To me it just screams of...I don't know I think someone thought doing this would rope in the Twilight crowd?

If people really want their Deadpool for his action and comedy? Why don't we try a Spider-man instead. Lets allow him to crack a few jokes, and really put him through some action scenes, no more emo teen drama please.
The way you describe it seems good, in theory, but I still don't think I'd be able to enjoy watching that douchbag. Just my opinion though.
 

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LOL wut Batman psychotic?? :p I was gonna say "gloomy" or something of the sort

glad to hear the movie's done more than just work out. a little hesitant with a few things MovieBob mentioned, it being one of many Marvel films as several before...but am definitely dying to go watch it