I knew this movie was gonna be lame, I did not even like the 1st one...maybe i need to watch it again.
Escape to the Movies: Scre4m
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Scream 1 and 2 weren't bad. I actually kinda enjoyed them.
Scream 3, agreed was 160 minutes too long.
Haven't seen the new one. Getting mixed reviews. I've heard "bad" and "it's good if you liked the first three" so I'll bet it's not great.
I understand why you and most hipster film nerds don't like the scream series. It made deconstructing horror films mainstream and as we all know, nothing is good once it hits the mainstream. /sarcasm
In all seriousness, Scream really was the first movie to try and actually make a mainstream audience try and deconstruct the genre. Now, that made the film geeks from the previous generation angry, but just because everyone else knows the secret does not make it any less good.
Scream 3, agreed was 160 minutes too long.
Haven't seen the new one. Getting mixed reviews. I've heard "bad" and "it's good if you liked the first three" so I'll bet it's not great.
I understand why you and most hipster film nerds don't like the scream series. It made deconstructing horror films mainstream and as we all know, nothing is good once it hits the mainstream. /sarcasm
In all seriousness, Scream really was the first movie to try and actually make a mainstream audience try and deconstruct the genre. Now, that made the film geeks from the previous generation angry, but just because everyone else knows the secret does not make it any less good.
awesome, now why don't you tell it to some one who gives a fuck. No where in my post did i say that this was a great review. so why are you bringing this up?Stall said:
Attacking a straw man? I'm not attacking any one you retard, i'm not even addressing any one. So how am i making a straw man? I'f you want to talk about attacking a strawman take a good look at your own post because you just did.
You know what's worse than an obnoxious genre savvy character?
When the obnoxious genre savvy character keeps hammering that he is in the know, pointing stupid clichés, berating stupidity... and then doing the exact same clichés he's complaining about!
That's what I hate about Scream. What's the point of having characters self-aware of their predicament and STILL ACT STUPID?
"Wow, there's a killer on the loose killing this particular group... lets party!"
"The killer is in there and he's baiting me in by blinding my cameras... I should go in there and uncover the camera that's in the back, at the second store, the only place where all those people won't see me when the killer sneaks on me"
"The killer is baiting me to the car in this deserted garage... I should go to my car"
"The killer is obviously baiting us all to this house... I need to get drunk."
"Look, my hat camera is backwards! Maybe I could use to look behind my back! Naaah... that's stupid, lets point it forward and only look in front of me through my smartcell... and ignore what I see in it"
"Hey, psycho! I thrust you won't kill me even though you've shown you'd kill your best friends in a heartbeat and are a complete ATTENTION WHORE! Plus, I know everything about horror movie clichés and how the villain take good care of his underlings"
The only good thing I can say about it is that at least their personalities didn't make me wish they'd just die already... just their intelligence.
When the obnoxious genre savvy character keeps hammering that he is in the know, pointing stupid clichés, berating stupidity... and then doing the exact same clichés he's complaining about!
That's what I hate about Scream. What's the point of having characters self-aware of their predicament and STILL ACT STUPID?
"Wow, there's a killer on the loose killing this particular group... lets party!"
"The killer is in there and he's baiting me in by blinding my cameras... I should go in there and uncover the camera that's in the back, at the second store, the only place where all those people won't see me when the killer sneaks on me"
"The killer is baiting me to the car in this deserted garage... I should go to my car"
"The killer is obviously baiting us all to this house... I need to get drunk."
"Look, my hat camera is backwards! Maybe I could use to look behind my back! Naaah... that's stupid, lets point it forward and only look in front of me through my smartcell... and ignore what I see in it"
"Hey, psycho! I thrust you won't kill me even though you've shown you'd kill your best friends in a heartbeat and are a complete ATTENTION WHORE! Plus, I know everything about horror movie clichés and how the villain take good care of his underlings"
The only good thing I can say about it is that at least their personalities didn't make me wish they'd just die already... just their intelligence.
well, looks like the Cinema Snob agrees with Bob on all accounts. Heck, he even calls it Scre-Four-Em:
http://thecinemasnob.com/2011/04/19/scream-4-review.aspx
http://thecinemasnob.com/2011/04/19/scream-4-review.aspx
The last two words in that sentence turned it from a general statement to an attack. Way to go, buddy.Semi-Human said:
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Okay, on topic now.
Jesus, Bob, could you be a little more butthurt in this video? I've been against you since the moment you suggested people see "Drive Angry 3D" simply because Nic Cage shoots back Jack Daniels, screws a waitress, and kills a bunch of guys at the same time (also because you recommended the garbage that was Sucker Punch). However, I still give you a chance when I see you've reviewed something I may be interested in. This time, you simply took your personal bias way too far. "Wahh, the same minute knowledge of cinema I have is now shared with some other people. WAAHHH!" Why don't you man up and have some respect for yourself, Bob.
It seems to me as though you did that to try and get the other movie buffs to back you up on your claim. If that's the case then, you failed and failed miserably. All this video goes to show is how much of jackass you are when you think someone or something has acted against you.
I'm no fan of the Scream movies or the horror genre as a whole, but I did go see this with a few friends and we all enjoyed it. Sure, it's not something I'm going to pay to see again, but it is an enjoyable self-aware slash-fest featuring some pretty women.
As far as I'm concerned, Bob... you and your two ego-centric, "Agree with me or you're wrong" video shows can piss off to a LiveJournal account.
Oh, and I can't wait to be portrayed as the bully from "Revenge of the Nerds" in a future video.
Bye!
i'm not attacking any one in the post he was referring to dumbass. which of course change if some idiot strawmans your argument and bitches at you for something you didn't do. Or when another idiot butts in and doesn't seem to know what the fuck he's talking about. Way to go moronAlmostLikeLife said:
Bob's intro seems to me relatively similar to the reaction a good majority of Metallica fans from the early 80's had when the black album came out. "WHAT?!? We were ostracized, insulted, looked upon as Satan-worshipping violence-prone drug addicts and whatever else for liking this band for years...and now SUDDENLY THEY CHANGED AND NOW YOU ALL LIKE THEM?!? YOU STOLE OUR BAND!! FUCK YOU ALL!"
Oh and if Bob hated the Scream movies so much for having "the movie guy" in the cast, man, he must've really despised "There's Nothing Out There." You know, the little idie movie...that came out four years BEFORE Scream yet somehow gets accused of ripping off Scream...with the character of Mike who knows every single horror movie cliche and spouts off about them at every available opportunity?
Oh and if Bob hated the Scream movies so much for having "the movie guy" in the cast, man, he must've really despised "There's Nothing Out There." You know, the little idie movie...that came out four years BEFORE Scream yet somehow gets accused of ripping off Scream...with the character of Mike who knows every single horror movie cliche and spouts off about them at every available opportunity?
Wow, Bob. I hope that was cathartic for you. someones a little too bitter about a movie.
The 1st Scream was a great movie for exactly what it did to you. it called out all the things that had become stale in the horror franchises in the late 80s early 90s that almost killed the genre. It made everyone aware of the lazy tropes being used, and ushered in a new era of horror films.
I haven't seen Scream 4 so it may suck as much as you say, but you are are wrong about Scream 1. Was it an Oscar winning film? no. Was is a good Horror movie that reinvigorrated the industry? absolutely.
Put your Nerd Rage aside Bob. Its time to get over it and accept the truth.
The 1st Scream was a great movie for exactly what it did to you. it called out all the things that had become stale in the horror franchises in the late 80s early 90s that almost killed the genre. It made everyone aware of the lazy tropes being used, and ushered in a new era of horror films.
I haven't seen Scream 4 so it may suck as much as you say, but you are are wrong about Scream 1. Was it an Oscar winning film? no. Was is a good Horror movie that reinvigorrated the industry? absolutely.
Put your Nerd Rage aside Bob. Its time to get over it and accept the truth.
Not a big fan of Scream, on the other hand Kill Bill and Machete are far, far, far worse. Seriously, just fuck Kill Bill, it's a bloated, self indulgent ego trip with nothing whatsoever to offer in originality, wit or intrigue.
So, I realize that this is contradicting to the last degree but... Moviebob had zero right to call Scre4m a bad movie. I laughed more during that movie and had a better time during that movie, than I've had all year in a theater. Not joking, it was funny, imaginative, and satirical. Is it an Oscar? Not by a long shot. Did I totally get my moneys worth out of it? Yes to the tenth power. The opening made me laugh out loud.
Now, that being said, i don't really care if anyone else liked it. I did. If I had to give an opinion on why moviebob hated it so much? I'd say it was because the Scream franchise intruded on his niche. I will say up front that moviebobs' review was wrong. whether you liked the movie or not was immaterial. Every single point he made in that review got invalidated throughout the entire movie. If you didn't like it. Or even if you agreed with bob on every point concerning the movie after watching it through the end, I don't care. I just think that it is worth watching and that the review did not give it a fair shake.
For the Scream newbie here's a breakdown:
Scream 1: made fun of teen slashers
Scream 2: made fun of knock-off sequels
Scream 3: made fun of horror franchise's
Scream 4 OR Scre4m: made fun of horror/slasher reboots.
Now, that being said, i don't really care if anyone else liked it. I did. If I had to give an opinion on why moviebob hated it so much? I'd say it was because the Scream franchise intruded on his niche. I will say up front that moviebobs' review was wrong. whether you liked the movie or not was immaterial. Every single point he made in that review got invalidated throughout the entire movie. If you didn't like it. Or even if you agreed with bob on every point concerning the movie after watching it through the end, I don't care. I just think that it is worth watching and that the review did not give it a fair shake.
For the Scream newbie here's a breakdown:
Scream 1: made fun of teen slashers
Scream 2: made fun of knock-off sequels
Scream 3: made fun of horror franchise's
Scream 4 OR Scre4m: made fun of horror/slasher reboots.
I saw the film today and think that it's not as good as the original but is still a good movie. I also like how they made the story so you only needed to see the first film to watch this one.
Also why do people keep making fun of the fact that Scre4m has a 4 in the title, like everything else in the movie it's done ironically to make fun of others and people making fun of it just makes them look stupid.
Also why do people keep making fun of the fact that Scre4m has a 4 in the title, like everything else in the movie it's done ironically to make fun of others and people making fun of it just makes them look stupid.
Scre4m was the first Scream movie I'd watched, and I saw it after was this review.
I enjoyed it. It was so funny. There was laughter throughout the cinema.
It was funny because I couldn't take it seriously. I knew it was a pisstake. Fortunately, the people I came with didn't, and watching their reactions when things got "tense" was also hilarious.
I enjoyed it. It was so funny. There was laughter throughout the cinema.
It was funny because I couldn't take it seriously. I knew it was a pisstake. Fortunately, the people I came with didn't, and watching their reactions when things got "tense" was also hilarious.
Wait, did he say 1996 is the sixth year of the 90's?
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Good review though.
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Good review though.
Is it just me or does movie Bob appear, "butt hurt", because his "poor little ego" as "that kid that knows movies" was hurt?
Good job being objective, Bob.
Good job being objective, Bob.
Bob, normally I trust your reviews, but this is where I have to fundamentally disagree with you. You hate the Scream movies because you feel that their success somehow harmed your life, ruining your uniqueness as "the movie guy", and you hate the '90s for their smug irony. Well, I was born in 1990, so I can't say anything about being in your position.(*) We're from two different generations.
But there is one thing I can tell you about. Before Scream, the American horror movie was dead.(**) Not just dead as in "it's currently in a slump, it'll come back." Dead like hair metal in 1993. The genre had burned itself out on a wave of crappy sequels that turned the big icons of '80s horror -- Jason, Freddy, Michael -- into walking punchlines. No major studio wanted to touch the genre unless they were sure that they could beat that stigma -- see the proliferation of psychological thrillers (i.e. serial killer movies) like The Silence of the Lambs and Se7en throughout the decade. People knew that the genre was cliched to holy high hell, and associated it with cheap "boo!" scares, paper-thin plot lines, and an abundance of misogyny (ladies, if you don't save yourself for marriage, then you'll get an axe in your skull!). Even the jokes that sketch shows made about the genre started getting old.
It was in this environment that Scream came into the picture. This was the horror movie that finally took a long, hard look at the sorry state that the genre was in, and told it where it could shove it. To do that, it went over every cliche, every trope, and tore them apart... and then stitched them back together to show people why they ever went to these movies in the first place. In such an environment as 1996, this movie was absolutely necessary. Some movies may have done what Scream did first, and some may have done it better, but none of them have ever done it to such mainstream acclaim. And that is why Scream is regarded as a classic.
As for the most recent entry, I have this to say. It's not as good as the original, but that movie's a tough act to follow, so that's not really a mark against it. It did a good and, I feel, necessary job skewering both the remake trend and our culture's obsession with celebrity (that's the only thing I'll say about the killer(s)), and it delivered the "goods" from the opening scene onward. Bob, for you to slam not only this movie, but its entire series, as brainless and yet praise Sucker Punch as some kind of bold feminist statement(***) shows that you and I share a pretty big gap in opinion.
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* Except for the fact that that seems like a rather petty reason to hate a movie. It sounds like someone had a bit of a bruised ego from the fact that they were no longer the only one who could quote movie cliches at parties. If you think that's bad, then wait till you see TV Tropes. You'll flip your shit.
** And before you come over to me and beat me over the head with a DVD copy of Army of Darkness for not qualifying this, here goes. Yes, I'm using the broad term "American horror movie" to talk specifically about the general quality and respect of the overall horror output of the American film industry, not any diamonds in the rough. Why? Because that's what everyone means when they say "American horror movie". Yes, Bob, I am a fan of your other show. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9joAb4XMaUs]
*** I kind of got the feminist message that Zack Snyder was trying to impart, but the fact that it was buried under a sea of young Hollywood starlets in skimpy, highly fetishized outfits seriously diluted it. It's like what François Truffaut said [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TruffautWasRight] -- you can't make a feminist movie in which your leading ladies are dressed like Bianca Beauchamp, because people will be too distracted by the sexiness on display to care about whatever message you're trying to impart.
But there is one thing I can tell you about. Before Scream, the American horror movie was dead.(**) Not just dead as in "it's currently in a slump, it'll come back." Dead like hair metal in 1993. The genre had burned itself out on a wave of crappy sequels that turned the big icons of '80s horror -- Jason, Freddy, Michael -- into walking punchlines. No major studio wanted to touch the genre unless they were sure that they could beat that stigma -- see the proliferation of psychological thrillers (i.e. serial killer movies) like The Silence of the Lambs and Se7en throughout the decade. People knew that the genre was cliched to holy high hell, and associated it with cheap "boo!" scares, paper-thin plot lines, and an abundance of misogyny (ladies, if you don't save yourself for marriage, then you'll get an axe in your skull!). Even the jokes that sketch shows made about the genre started getting old.
It was in this environment that Scream came into the picture. This was the horror movie that finally took a long, hard look at the sorry state that the genre was in, and told it where it could shove it. To do that, it went over every cliche, every trope, and tore them apart... and then stitched them back together to show people why they ever went to these movies in the first place. In such an environment as 1996, this movie was absolutely necessary. Some movies may have done what Scream did first, and some may have done it better, but none of them have ever done it to such mainstream acclaim. And that is why Scream is regarded as a classic.
As for the most recent entry, I have this to say. It's not as good as the original, but that movie's a tough act to follow, so that's not really a mark against it. It did a good and, I feel, necessary job skewering both the remake trend and our culture's obsession with celebrity (that's the only thing I'll say about the killer(s)), and it delivered the "goods" from the opening scene onward. Bob, for you to slam not only this movie, but its entire series, as brainless and yet praise Sucker Punch as some kind of bold feminist statement(***) shows that you and I share a pretty big gap in opinion.
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* Except for the fact that that seems like a rather petty reason to hate a movie. It sounds like someone had a bit of a bruised ego from the fact that they were no longer the only one who could quote movie cliches at parties. If you think that's bad, then wait till you see TV Tropes. You'll flip your shit.
** And before you come over to me and beat me over the head with a DVD copy of Army of Darkness for not qualifying this, here goes. Yes, I'm using the broad term "American horror movie" to talk specifically about the general quality and respect of the overall horror output of the American film industry, not any diamonds in the rough. Why? Because that's what everyone means when they say "American horror movie". Yes, Bob, I am a fan of your other show. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9joAb4XMaUs]
*** I kind of got the feminist message that Zack Snyder was trying to impart, but the fact that it was buried under a sea of young Hollywood starlets in skimpy, highly fetishized outfits seriously diluted it. It's like what François Truffaut said [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TruffautWasRight] -- you can't make a feminist movie in which your leading ladies are dressed like Bianca Beauchamp, because people will be too distracted by the sexiness on display to care about whatever message you're trying to impart.