Escape to the Movies: Scre4m

[Tarkand]

You know, it just occurred to me that Scream would be so much better if the characters, since they are so genre savy, actually subverted the usual horror/slasher movie tropes, by beating the shit out of ghostface when he shows up.

They do. They just don't win. The knife always gets them in the end.

Not that I've ever seen, all they ever seem to do is run around screaming like idiots, or cowering in a corner somewhere.

This is from the first movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rk4nfYq87w

Yes, she dies in a stupid way. And her 'fighting' may not have been the most effective, but she definitely didn't just run away.

Ghostface pretty much always get his ass kicked... he mainly manages to kill his victims because they see a 'way out', they go for it, it turns out not to be a good idea and he kills them. This is part of the 'trope subverting' scream tries to do ...

One of the (many many many) logical flaw of the series is that the whole 'whodunit?' angle should be easy to solve based on how many gashes and bruises the killer would be sporting when not in his Ghostface costume.

 

[Blood Countess]

is bob biased here...yeah.
but does that change that this movie sucks? No.

No. The movie might not have been good, but he failed at his job as a critic. He used his position as the site's main movie critic not to do a proper critique, but to spew hate for 5 minutes. Biases are natural, but you are supposed to set them aside when you review something. Bob let his bias get too in the way.

No one here is saying Scre4m was good, or are defending the movie in the light of the "criticism". People are saying Bob allowed his personal vendettas and biases to cloud his judgement, thus gave us a pathetically unprofessional review. You are attacking the straw man in every sense of the word.

This is why I stopped watching him when he had a temper tantrum over Scott Pilgrim not being the number 1 movie.To me he is not a movie critic but a wannabe yatzee but with movies most of the time..I go to spill.com for movie reviews with humour but at least some honesty

 

[beema]

poor little nerd kid bob

Well, I think I actually liked the first Scream. I think everyone I knew also more or less liked it. Then again I liked a lot of stupid crap when I was that age.

Still, it was somewhat original back then.

One movie was enough though, I'm not sure why anyone felt the need to turn it in to a franchise (well, except for $$$$$)

Looks like Anthony Anderson has made an entire career out of being in crappy horror movie parodies!

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

is bob biased here...yeah.
but does that change that this movie sucks? No.

Scream has always been a shitty hack movie. Its dull as fuck, does any really care about the characters? The only thing there deaths mean is one less douche to scream like a annoying morron. If they want to do funny self aware they should do some jokes about milking the shit out of something that sucked to begin because or advertisement and fantards.

I actually prefer it when a reviewer is subjective because at least you get something HILARIOUS out of it. Travers over at Rollingstone is highly subjective and his reviews hwere he rips into crappy movies are some of the funniest stuff I read. Whenever he reviews a Michael Bay movie it's funny as hell. And I don't blame him either; if I had to sit through a shitty movie I'd find a way to make the review more entertaining than the film is

 

[Soak]

As already mentioned, it's good that you explained your bias before the actual review, your statement may be right and a review sure is always subjective, though in my opinion this one is the most unprofessional made so far because of to much ranting... maybe, by explaining your personal problems with the series you wanted to show some self-awareness, just like scre-four-m?

However, forget about your dark 90th and go on making better reviews.

As always i read the last replys after i posted and then have to edit:

I actually prefer it when a reviewer is subjective because at least you get something HILARIOUS out of it. Travers over at Rollingstone is highly subjective and his reviews hwere he rips into crappy movies are some of the funniest stuff I read. Whenever he reviews a Michael Bay movie it's funny as hell. And I don't blame him either; if I had to sit through a shitty movie I'd find a way to make the review more entertaining than the film is

I know how subjektivity in reviews is somewhat neccesary to make them interesting at all, just as MovieBob's reviews wouldn't be the same and much more boring without it, though subjektivity/objectivity in journalism/media is a bit of a problem in general, because
a) it is impossible to write from a 100% objective point of view
b) to much objectivity is boring anyways
c) to much subjectivity isn't good either because it results in media manipulation
d) while media manipulation is the worst (in my opinion) unfortunately it is the goal of most media

 

[Canadamus Prime]

You know, it just occurred to me that Scream would be so much better if the characters, since they are so genre savy, actually subverted the usual horror/slasher movie tropes, by beating the shit out of ghostface when he shows up.

They do. They just don't win. The knife always gets them in the end.

Not that I've ever seen, all they ever seem to do is run around screaming like idiots, or cowering in a corner somewhere.

This is from the first movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rk4nfYq87w

Yes, she dies in a stupid way. And her 'fighting' may not have been the most effective, but she definitely didn't just run away.

Ghostface pretty much always get his ass kicked... he mainly manages to kill his victims because they see a 'way out', they go for it, it turns out not to be a good idea and he kills them. This is part of the 'trope subverting' scream tries to do ...

One of the (many many many) logical flaw of the series is that the whole 'whodunit?' angle should be easy to solve based on how many gashes and bruises the killer would be sporting when not in his Ghostface costume.

Ok granted, but it'd have been more impressive if, once Ghostface was down, instead of trying to escape through the pet door (which was an incredibly stupid idea anyway) she'd given him several kicks to the head to make sure he stayed down then, then raised the garage door and got the fuck out of there, maybe taking a second or two to find out who's under the mask.

EDIT: Another problem with the Scream series is that the killers motivations kept getting more and more ridiculous with each sequel. I can't wait to find out why the completely unoriginal killer in Scre-Four-m is going on his copy-cat killing spree.

 

[FlitterFilms]

I'm a big fan of the previous three (yes, that's right, all three of them) and I liked this film and will probably see it again. It's a little odd to complain that a movie based entirely around the concept of being pretentiously self aware is too pretentiously self aware, personally it seems like Bob could have not bothered to see the movie and still been able to write this review as his points seemed pretty obvious and the "I hate scream" disclaimer at the beginning just made the whole thing all the more pointless. Why waste an entire video on something you knew you were never going to give a fair chance in the first place? Should have just had it as a foot note to a real review.

Still enjoyed the video, it made me laugh. Personally I hate the horror genre, I only watch it to laugh at it and the 'Scream' franchise works for me, though in all seriousness this was a pretty weak installment in the series. Didn't really add anything and even though it was meant to be mocking tired reboots and endless pointless sequels it still somehow managed to become a tired reboot and a needless sequel. But hey, that's the horror genre for you, at least this franchise makes me laugh on purpose.

 

[theshadowcult]

I liked how you used Shawn of the Dead to attack screfourem.

 

[Ruben Cruz]

I knew this movie was gonna be lame, I did not even like the 1st one...maybe i need to watch it again.

 

[tehweave]

Scream 1 and 2 weren't bad. I actually kinda enjoyed them.
Scream 3, agreed was 160 minutes too long.

Haven't seen the new one. Getting mixed reviews. I've heard "bad" and "it's good if you liked the first three" so I'll bet it's not great.

I understand why you and most hipster film nerds don't like the scream series. It made deconstructing horror films mainstream and as we all know, nothing is good once it hits the mainstream. /sarcasm

In all seriousness, Scream really was the first movie to try and actually make a mainstream audience try and deconstruct the genre. Now, that made the film geeks from the previous generation angry, but just because everyone else knows the secret does not make it any less good.

 

[buhee]

Whats the point in doing another crow movie. It'll never be as good as it won't have the tragedy of brandon lee surrounding it. The sequels were terrible, any remakes will be bad. The crow was an awesome film that should be left alone.

 

[Semi-Human]

is bob biased here...yeah.
but does that change that this movie sucks? No.

No. The movie might not have been good, but he failed at his job as a critic. He used his position as the site's main movie critic not to do a proper critique, but to spew hate for 5 minutes. Biases are natural, but you are supposed to set them aside when you review something. Bob let his bias get too in the way.

No one here is saying Scre4m was good, or are defending the movie in the light of the "criticism". People are saying Bob allowed his personal vendettas and biases to cloud his judgement, thus gave us a pathetically unprofessional review. You are attacking the straw man in every sense of the word.

awesome, now why don't you tell it to some one who gives a fuck. No where in my post did i say that this was a great review. so why are you bringing this up?

Attacking a straw man? I'm not attacking any one you retard, i'm not even addressing any one. So how am i making a straw man? I'f you want to talk about attacking a strawman take a good look at your own post because you just did.

 

[SandroTheMaster]

You know what's worse than an obnoxious genre savvy character?

When the obnoxious genre savvy character keeps hammering that he is in the know, pointing stupid clichés, berating stupidity... and then doing the exact same clichés he's complaining about!

That's what I hate about Scream. What's the point of having characters self-aware of their predicament and STILL ACT STUPID?

"Wow, there's a killer on the loose killing this particular group... lets party!"
"The killer is in there and he's baiting me in by blinding my cameras... I should go in there and uncover the camera that's in the back, at the second store, the only place where all those people won't see me when the killer sneaks on me"
"The killer is baiting me to the car in this deserted garage... I should go to my car"
"The killer is obviously baiting us all to this house... I need to get drunk."
"Look, my hat camera is backwards! Maybe I could use to look behind my back! Naaah... that's stupid, lets point it forward and only look in front of me through my smartcell... and ignore what I see in it"
"Hey, psycho! I thrust you won't kill me even though you've shown you'd kill your best friends in a heartbeat and are a complete ATTENTION WHORE! Plus, I know everything about horror movie clichés and how the villain take good care of his underlings"

The only good thing I can say about it is that at least their personalities didn't make me wish they'd just die already... just their intelligence.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

well, looks like the Cinema Snob agrees with Bob on all accounts. Heck, he even calls it Scre-Four-Em:

http://thecinemasnob.com/2011/04/19/scream-4-review.aspx

 

[AlmostLikeLife]

I'm not attacking any one you retard

The last two words in that sentence turned it from a general statement to an attack. Way to go, buddy.

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Okay, on topic now.


Jesus, Bob, could you be a little more butthurt in this video? I've been against you since the moment you suggested people see "Drive Angry 3D" simply because Nic Cage shoots back Jack Daniels, screws a waitress, and kills a bunch of guys at the same time (also because you recommended the garbage that was Sucker Punch). However, I still give you a chance when I see you've reviewed something I may be interested in. This time, you simply took your personal bias way too far. "Wahh, the same minute knowledge of cinema I have is now shared with some other people. WAAHHH!" Why don't you man up and have some respect for yourself, Bob.

It seems to me as though you did that to try and get the other movie buffs to back you up on your claim. If that's the case then, you failed and failed miserably. All this video goes to show is how much of jackass you are when you think someone or something has acted against you.

I'm no fan of the Scream movies or the horror genre as a whole, but I did go see this with a few friends and we all enjoyed it. Sure, it's not something I'm going to pay to see again, but it is an enjoyable self-aware slash-fest featuring some pretty women.

As far as I'm concerned, Bob... you and your two ego-centric, "Agree with me or you're wrong" video shows can piss off to a LiveJournal account.

Oh, and I can't wait to be portrayed as the bully from "Revenge of the Nerds" in a future video.

Bye!

 

[Semi-Human]

I'm not attacking any one you retard

The last two words in that sentence turned it from a general statement to an attack. Way to go, buddy.

i'm not attacking any one in the post he was referring to dumbass. which of course change if some idiot strawmans your argument and bitches at you for something you didn't do. Or when another idiot butts in and doesn't seem to know what the fuck he's talking about. Way to go moron

 

[Trifixion]

Bob's intro seems to me relatively similar to the reaction a good majority of Metallica fans from the early 80's had when the black album came out. "WHAT?!? We were ostracized, insulted, looked upon as Satan-worshipping violence-prone drug addicts and whatever else for liking this band for years...and now SUDDENLY THEY CHANGED AND NOW YOU ALL LIKE THEM?!? YOU STOLE OUR BAND!! FUCK YOU ALL!"

Oh and if Bob hated the Scream movies so much for having "the movie guy" in the cast, man, he must've really despised "There's Nothing Out There." You know, the little idie movie...that came out four years BEFORE Scream yet somehow gets accused of ripping off Scream...with the character of Mike who knows every single horror movie cliche and spouts off about them at every available opportunity?

 

[Dhatz]

its massive balls of ridiculous that in my country they forced the 4 instead of S because Vřískot doesnt contain a A.

 

[SteveZim1017]

Wow, Bob. I hope that was cathartic for you. someones a little too bitter about a movie.

The 1st Scream was a great movie for exactly what it did to you. it called out all the things that had become stale in the horror franchises in the late 80s early 90s that almost killed the genre. It made everyone aware of the lazy tropes being used, and ushered in a new era of horror films.

I haven't seen Scream 4 so it may suck as much as you say, but you are are wrong about Scream 1. Was it an Oscar winning film? no. Was is a good Horror movie that reinvigorrated the industry? absolutely.

Put your Nerd Rage aside Bob. Its time to get over it and accept the truth.

 

[Mr_Jellyfish]

Not a big fan of Scream, on the other hand Kill Bill and Machete are far, far, far worse. Seriously, just fuck Kill Bill, it's a bloated, self indulgent ego trip with nothing whatsoever to offer in originality, wit or intrigue.