Vault101 said:
*Sigh* Unfortunately this isnt worth the epic face palm i have, so I'll have to settle for the less intense version:
I cant do all the work for you, but if you'd read my other posts, you'd see that I reached the conclusion of its great for people to learn. This isnt about them going to see the movie. I want it to get out there, to be more well known and acceptable. This is the kinda things that geeks and nerds need under their belts, to show that hollywood can make big budget films around their interests, where they (as geeks and nerds) can be the hero that isnt an adaptation of a comic book or a parody.
Just dont expect to be on equal grounds with people who have seen and enjoyed the first one, and waited anxiously for the time a sequel (there is no a in it) like this would come out. And judging by the average moviegoer (which i experience on a daily basis when i go to work) thats exactly what will happen. I'll be ready to talk about it, to talk about its deeper meanings. But you have to be ready to accept that I am the teacher, you are the student, and this is for your benefit, not mine. Most (if not all) fans of tron who have been with it since the earliest days that they could (i'm 18 so i couldnt have been with it since the beginning, but i've been with it since i was seven), will be willing to educate you on the finer points of tron, to show you this is more and should be treated as more, then just a big budget tech heavy and nonfriendly action movie to those who dont understand some of the terms of the film/tech. Its when this happens, people like yourself (who havent been with it, or are new) feel dumb. And when they feel dumb, mixed with laziness, or unwillingness to learn and open their minds to a different subculture waiting to bust out, that movies go bad, through focus groups of the "average moviegoer".
This is going to be one of the crowning things of the Gaming generation, one of our movies we can look back on and say, "See? you can do this hollywood. You dont need to pump out run-of-the-mill action/love/comedies for fear that people wont understand and ostracize what is a growing trend.
yes, maybe I am over analyzing, but I think and dream big. I think ahead, to a better time and how things can drastically impact it. Tron is one of those. But your average moviegoer or casual gamer needs to know this is more then just this movie and a cheesy 80s movie that was turned to a cult classic (whihc usually labels something inapproachable, when really it only means that its just not something the average majority can feel comfortable accepting). Yes, they will talk, and when they hear there was a Tron (I guess you could say 1), as well as games based on these movies, they may show the interest to go see them. OR, they may see it as non-important, nerdy, beneath them and would ruin their image. It is then, when hollywood does its focus groups and tests, when they want to make a Tron (lets call it 3 for sake of argument), that the tests groups will say, "Oh, i never saw the original" or "i heard there was one before it, but it sounded to geeky to see, but i liked the action scenes in the second. Those effects were awesome! and Light cycles, they should more of those just racing, cause those are cool." Then the series degrades, dilutes, turns to the run-of-the-mill action flick to appease the sheeple masses and we as gamers and tech minded movie goers lose our chance at a future of movie industries that are equal parts geeky and appealing to the average moviegoer.
I'll quote a poster here before:
Gxas said:
I saw it last night. I have loved the first movie since I first heard about it probably ten years ago. I was the only person in the theater last night who had seen it. The people that I went with, they had me fill them in a bit before and after just so they could have a better understanding of the movie and will all be watching the original seeing as this one piqued their interests.
However, the kids behind me? Yeah. They were exactly what you are talking about here. About three-fourths of the way into the movie, I hear one of them ask another, just in a regular talking voice, "What did he say?" To which the other responded, "He said he's a User." Then the first one followed up with, "Oh, whats a User?" I almost turned around and punched their father for ever spawning them.
Its this i worry about. That is the average movie goer who is going to walk into Tron: Legacy and watch this movie, that is the average movie goer who is apart of those focus groups. That is the person who is going to look dumb, when they talk to someone who has been iwth this for 10, 11, 15 years, even the almost THREE DECADES it took for this to finally see the light of day and be a physical reality. And because they'll feel dumb, they'll recede. I had a talk with this with a friend in college who is majoring in psychology. its the common action people take when tehy are defeated intellectually. They recede into themselves, think back on this, think about who the people like me (who you claim are die hard fans when really this is just a really good tech movie for me and thats why it holds my interest) and how we beat them. maybe they'll want to learn more. Or maybe they'll let it fester, and lash out in the focus group scenario i stated above.
Closing (wow, this is starting to feel like a paper, but hopefully i wont have to post like this again), Its not that I dont want people to talk to me about Tron, or talk to other people who are big on this. But this is our/your/everyone who has even a remote interest in gaming or tech to have a precedent that isnt comic books. this is the chance for tech to start to rule. Think of its implications. We could get a good Jak and Daxter/Rachet and Clank/God of War movie, a good Halo movie, a good... I dont know... A good Legend of Zelda or Mario (well, maybe not Mario. That abortion they called a mario movie is still a bad memory in the back of all who saw it's minds), or a good movie like Gamer was supposed to be. This is the chance to open up a new market, to stop all those movies that people dont remember five days later, or the ones where people say this is garbage tripe that Hollywood always puts out. I dont want it go to the way of Transformers (where it dumbed down to appease the people who went to see giant robots fighting and explosions) or PotC (where it go so far away from the feel and mood and theme that made the first movie so great. Where it was just Pirates being Pirates) cause then thats Hollywood's excuse to say, "well, if we do this we'll hear from the fans about their hate. But if we just make it nice and actiony and full of light cylce racing and disk throwing, we'll make the larger revenue from people who like that and the fans will just have to live with it."
I want people to Like tron, but i want them to know there's more to like the action. That this isnt just a small inside joke thing about users, or how someone enters after playing an arcade game, or where the hero is a hacker that dont play larger roles on the story. Granted, you cant have it be too tech heavy either, cause this is going to need a gentle transitioning, a way for people to look at computers and game systems they say way "jocks" or "muscle heads" look at cars (that fine combing and knit picking process). I want people to just know this is a subculture ready to accept, but you're going to need to be taught, so you'll have to learn, which will mean humiliation at first, before you finally (which will not take long in the grand scheme) understand this with more interest.
But I dont know, thats alot of info and turned from rant to heart felt speech to finally me just spilling hopes and dreams onto the keyboard and i probably repeated myself alot. But thats what i see this Movie as (which is alot, admittedly for this movie) and so thats why i think people should watch the original tron to have that basic beforehand knowledge then come and watch this movie. Not watch this movie, talk a big game because they saw this and then get angry when someone wants to talk abou the original (since you and others pointed out this was a cult classic) because they assume they've seen it in combination with this movie and makes the person look foolish, potentially closing their mind back up to this premise and idea.
Other than that, it had good bits of humor and didn't overdo anything. Epic in its own right.
