Ever wanted to see a game fail. :P

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Punch You said:
Then you'll definitely enjoy the most uncomfortable cut-scene in gaming ever created

http://youtu.be/nFWZAb9ejPs
I saw that, and that just made me think the leaked ending is true. If it is the ending is going to be so much worse than that cutscene.


Shadowsetzer said:
I'm torn on this; I want DmC to fail just because of how they screwed up the Devil May Cry feel, but at the same time, I'm worried that a failure might kill the franchise as a whole.
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I'm torn on this; I want DmC to fail just because of how they screwed up the Devil May Cry feel, but at the same time, I'm worried that a failure might kill the franchise as a whole.[/quote]the series is already dead to me, but i'd rather see it die a honorable death than become some bastardization. If they kept the gameplay i would accept it but there is nothing left from the original series but the name.
 

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Honestly? Every game that is hyped up to the nth degree, the rage on forums is glorious when games like Duke Nukem Forever flop, imagine the same scenario with Half Life: Episode 3!
 

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The Tall Nerd said:
i dissagree about laura

she is ernest

new dante is just... you know what i dont even care about dante
the reason i want that game to fail is because of ninja theory and capcom acting assholes the whole time about the damn game


i want the new tomb raider to thrive , a new gritty reboot with a main character thats just a nice person caught in sh** situation

sure take all my money

this will be a nice alternative to nathan drake, the duche bag
My view is if you want to make a completely different game make a different game. A name has expectations and a promise of quality. Not to mention theres already a lack of new IPs, so if they have new ideas they should make new games instead of butchering old ones.
 

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Street Fighter X Tekken.

Luckily, it kinda did fail. No one really cares about it anymore in the fighting game scene.
 

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Uhm....not sure how to break this to you, but that's exactly what they did. They made an actual turn-based strategy X-Com game, with research, development, all that jazz, and it's actually a very good game. Buggy, but good.
I don't know by what standards you're holding the new XCOM game to, but the games it was based off of emphasized replayability and strategy, and the new XCOM is fairly shallow from that perspective.

The macro game is all about making sure you can rush enough satellites into the air fast enough to make finances a non-issue before you lose too many members. The micro game is about moving carefully enough that you don't spawn more monster closets than you can handle. You only really need to get good at doing those two things and XCOM becomes a breeze, regardless of difficulty.
 

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Never seen Nostalgia Chick, and critiquing Lara or Dante's character is like critiquing an B action movie star. You're there to see some badass give one liners and blow things up. Not everything has to be deep and artistic and try to make a statement. Honestly I don't remember much of her character since the only Tomb Raider I played was the first one when it came out, and I remember her being a female Indiana Jones.

I can tell you that, it's not secretly there. Though you seem to have an issue with boobs, do you honestly think the author was trying to attract people by drawing boobs in their comic? One of the first things people noticed about new Lara is she had smaller boobs, so in an effort to show how different they are the author exaggerated old Lara's. Though you seem like one of those people who read waaaay to far into crap and see things that aren't even there. There's nothing of hope or imagination or forgetting how to dream in there. Where did you pull that from? They're mad because they got fired for the new hip trendy guys and going "why do people like that crap?". It's like listening to you're favorite radio station and then having them play Justin Beiber. That's what the people are into now, you just didn't go with the trend. I can agree their forgetting in booze, but not about what you said. Can you imagine reading it without them drinking and how it would look? The booze is used as an excuse to let them ***** and moan and be stupid.

And the game proved them wrong, I'd love to see DmC prove all the haters wrong by being good. If it doesn't I can say I told you so.
I wasn't making out that it was anything the author was trying at all, in fact I'd say the opposite, I just meant it backfired with me, because I think I was meant to like the old guys and think the young ones were being a bit silly.

And there's a reason they're b-movies rather than a-movie action stars. But actually thats unfair to b-movies, because b-movies often have interesting action stars, just not very complicated ones. It's part of the reason b-movies are worth watching. Think of Bruce Campbells career =D He would never have made it if his characters were flat. That weren't deep but they were interesting, like how in Predator you can give everyone a one line label. 'Guy who tells inappropriate jokes' 'hunter' 'non-talkative tough guy.' But that one line was a strong inline and it made them interesting and helped set Predator as a film that's talked about decades later.

But Lara wasn't like that, she was an A-movie knock off rather than a b-film star. She's one of those characters out of the really big budget blockbusters that people watch and forget instantly, a Battleships star to a Transformers star. heck you even described her as an Indiana Jones knock-off. Not that that couldn't work. Nathan Drake is an Indiana Jones knock off, but when people describe him he's a joke cracking everyman. He's nowhere as big as Lara Croft, but people who've heard of him but haven't played the games could probably make a fair go at describing his personality. Lara Croft? I've played some of the games and watched the film, but I couldn't tell you if she was nerdy or outgoing, romantic or a party girl. Confident or does Nathan Drake/Indiana Jones 'oh crud oh crud I'm going to die' thing.

Oh wait a sec, old Dante is a good example. I think new Dante is a significant downgrade even if I'm not a hater. But both old Dantes were b-movie action stars, like you said and they have a very strong wisecracking, utterly calm in the face of danger persona that instantly comes to mind. It's not deep, but it's not cardboard. And actually DMC3 had a really strong personal Dante storyline. He's got all kinds of things going on, think of Vergil.

So it's really not a b-film thing, it's Lara Croft herself. I mean to be fair, it was bound to happen because when they sat down to create her the geminating thought process was 'what if the lead protagonist is a women?' (the plumber thing I mentioned was a direct quote from the original developers), but being a women isn't a personality description at all. . It#s like making the central thing about your protagonist that he has brown hair. There's no surprise it turned out flat. Whereas Dante's creation was 'lets make someone cool' and that is a personality description and gives a key into actual actions.
 

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Well, if Cod Failed, the game industry would be infinitely better for it. Got nothing against CoD in particular, just thinking about the big picture. Without CoD the AAA game market might actually expand beyond shooting things mindlessly.
as much as i think COD failing would bring a revolution in the VG industry, i just dont see that happening. there are too many "L33T" teenagers (AKA my generation) that cant play anything with the slightest bit of pacing without foaming at the mouth, and COD has also proven that simplicity sells. a pop up gallery is all blops 2 needed to simulate to make 1 BILLION DOLLARS. Call of duty only seems to be getting bigger. at least it has one benefit: it keeps all the squeaky kids and the "L33T" people out of the other games that are definitely better off without them.
 

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The Tall Nerd said:
TehCookie said:
Nt
The Tall Nerd said:
i dissagree about laura

she is ernest

new dante is just... you know what i dont even care about dante
the reason i want that game to fail is because of ninja theory and capcom acting assholes the whole time about the damn game


i want the new tomb raider to thrive , a new gritty reboot with a main character thats just a nice person caught in sh** situation

sure take all my money

this will be a nice alternative to nathan drake, the duche bag
My view is if you want to make a completely different game make a different game. A name has expectations and a promise of quality. Not to mention theres already a lack of new IPs, so if they have new ideas they should make new games instead of butchering old ones.
i dissagree
too many awesome Japanese companies still make games
where did that come from and how is that related to anything i said?
 

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I want Dead Space 3 to fail so badly. EA needs to learn that not every game needs to have pointless fucking multiplayer, ESPECIALLY not a supposed horror game. Multiplayer can only ever be fun at its best. Horror is not fun. It's supposed to make you feel unsafe because you're alone with a thing and the thing knows you're there. That's why at the end of Psycho, Norman Bates says "I know they're watching me," seemingly in reference to something else, then looks directly into the camera.
 

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I want the term spunkgargleweewee to fail. Seriously you guys, your forcing it way too hard.

OT: The new DmC is just the perfect storm of a game I want to see fail. "Dark and edgy" reboot, condescending developers, and its being published by Capcom whose business practices have only gotten worse over the years.
 

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Not a game but any company that annoys me.
Recently, the Vita is not allowing me to use my second PSN account which has a copy of Persona 3 Portable and MGS Peace Walker, and because of that I find enjoyment in the Vitas sales.
If your product has been designed in a way that makes things harder for me as a customer, I'll be yelling you deserve it when its failing.
Most companies who use online passes get the same treatment from me, except I don't buy games with those any more.
 

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I wasn't making out that it was anything the author was trying at all, in fact I'd say the opposite, I just meant it backfired with me, because I think I was meant to like the old guys and think the young ones were being a bit silly.

And there's a reason they're b-movies rather than a-movie action stars. But actually thats unfair to b-movies, because b-movies often have interesting action stars, just not very complicated ones. It's part of the reason b-movies are worth watching. Think of Bruce Campbells career =D He would never have made it if his characters were flat. That weren't deep but they were interesting, like how in Predator you can give everyone a one line label. 'Guy who tells inappropriate jokes' 'hunter' 'non-talkative tough guy.' But that one line was a strong inline and it made them interesting and helped set Predator as a film that's talked about decades later.

But Lara wasn't like that, she was an A-movie knock off rather than a b-film star. She's one of those characters out of the really big budget blockbusters that people watch and forget instantly, a Battleships star to a Transformers star. heck you even described her as an Indiana Jones knock-off. Not that that couldn't work. Nathan Drake is an Indiana Jones knock off, but when people describe him he's a joke cracking everyman. He's nowhere as big as Lara Croft, but people who've heard of him but haven't played the games could probably make a fair go at describing his personality. Lara Croft? I've played some of the games and watched the film, but I couldn't tell you if she was nerdy or outgoing, romantic or a party girl. Confident or does Nathan Drake/Indiana Jones 'oh crud oh crud I'm going to die' thing.

Oh wait a sec, old Dante is a good example. I think new Dante is a significant downgrade even if I'm not a hater. But both old Dantes were b-movie action stars, like you said and they have a very strong wisecracking, utterly calm in the face of danger persona that instantly comes to mind. It's not deep, but it's not cardboard. And actually DMC3 had a really strong personal Dante storyline. He's got all kinds of things going on, think of Vergil.

So it's really not a b-film thing, it's Lara Croft herself. I mean to be fair, it was bound to happen because when they sat down to create her the geminating thought process was 'what if the lead protagonist is a women?' (the plumber thing I mentioned was a direct quote from the original developers), but being a women isn't a personality description at all. . It#s like making the central thing about your protagonist that he has brown hair. There's no surprise it turned out flat. Whereas Dante's creation was 'lets make someone cool' and that is a personality description and gives a key into actual actions.
Like I said, I only played the first Tomb Raider years ago as a kid, while DMC is one of my favorite games so I can say more about DMC since I know it better. I agree with you for the most part, but I do see a few things differently. First of all I never expect a rip-off to be as good as the original. If it was just as good it wouldn't need to be ripping off something else. Second, you say she has no character, but then I realized she's a Mary Sue. The strong independent woman thing you mentioned is right for me at least since that's what I wanted to see. If she truly had no character why is the reboot so different? I'm also speaking from a female's perspective, so I find it easy to impose a personality on a Mary Sue. While in the new game they don't even try to make her relatable (even in a wish fulfillment sense) even going as far to say the player should want to protect her and have to help her. The first one may be badly written but I find them giving her a personality worse than she was without one.
 

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Dead Space 3
Dark Souls 2's "broadening to the Skyrim audience" plan

And the new DMC. And after all the " successful damage control" I've seen Capcom trying... I... I think it may actually fail! I'm really really excited! :D
 

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i honestly wanted Skyrim to fail. mostly because i hated how its trailers were everywhere and i found them annoying.
 

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I found myself wishing that Half Life (2 episode) 3 would be shit...then I smacked myself in the face and told myself to stop being a fucking twat.

On a side note, I have a bad feeling that this thread is going to get very flamey. How does the saying go? Cutting off your nose to spite your face? That kinda seems like the mindset that goes with wanting game "to fail" just because you don't like it.
 

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TehCookie said:
Like I said, I only played the first Tomb Raider years ago as a kid, while DMC is one of my favorite games so I can say more about DMC since I know it better. I agree with you for the most part, but I do see a few things differently. First of all I never expect a rip-off to be as good as the original. If it was just as good it wouldn't need to be ripping off something else. Second, you say she has no character, but then I realized she's a Mary Sue. The strong independent woman thing you mentioned is right for me at least since that's what I wanted to see. If she truly had no character why is the reboot so different? I'm also speaking from a female's perspective, so I find it easy to impose a personality on a Mary Sue. While in the new game they don't even try to make her relatable (even in a wish fulfillment sense) even going as far to say the player should want to protect her and have to help her. The first one may be badly written but I find them giving her a personality worse than she was without one.
I shouldn#t have brought up the Strong Independent Women thing without establishing if you'd seen the videos first because it's said with a touch of sarcasm which needs to be understood. Now I'm in an awkward position, if you have time this video
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/team-nchick/nostalgia-chick/36358-charlies-angels
Contains the words Mary Sue and Strong Independent Women within the first minute and a half and since the Charlie's Angels in the film are pretty much identical to Croft it makes my case basically better than I could. But I know that time is valuable thing and I'm not going to put expectations on you for watching it. (If you like video reviews of stuff though, her videos are good in general. I normally find her hugely feminist ones like this the least entertaining which probably says horrible things about me as a guy)

But I'm just going to give you the thing about the developer. That guy is a complete idiot and is just as bad if not worse than the first developers making a sex object. At best it's exactly the same thing for different tastes. I'm basically hoping since Rhianna Pratchett is the writer and not him that he's just really bad at PR and doesn't understand what he's saying. There's no way Ms. Pratchett was brought up too write the kind of vile he was spouting.

But I'm surprised you didn't see personality in the trailers or that you were put off by the fact she's not superconfident. Someone who does stuff because they aren't afraid of doing it isn't particularly interesting (because there's no tension, what they're doing isn't a challenge) and isn't particularly heroic because they aren't overcoming any obstacles or sacrificing anything for a cause, or forcing themselves to face their fears. The reason Indiana Jones works and Nathan Drake works is that they're both scared and fumbling a lot of the time instead of being perfect heroes.

I'm also a little confused about your Jones comment? Isn't that saying she'S a fundamentally sucky character? And since the remake isn't copying Jones at all she has a chance of being less sucky. It doesn't make her more entertaining or interesting to know there was a reason she was sucky and it was because of a bad design choice at the start
 

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Like many others, id like to see Call of Duty gouge the earth with its face. Along with EA Sports titles, and Skylanders.

That last one especially makes me sick.
Yes, I wanted Skylanders to fail. Hard. I love the spyro games, not this random vehicle to sell toys to kids
 

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I want a core Mario game to massively tank. I actually want all of the stuff nintendo does purely because of nostalgia to fail miserably. On the other hand I really want the Wiiu to get enough good games to make it worth buying
 

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No. Because peoples families, homes and livelyhoods are at stake.

Hoping something fails just because publishers are unwilling to take risks is a horrific thing to wish because you're essentially wishing for people to lose their jobs and be unable to support themselves or their family.