I think the problem is that it's the immature stuff you want to keep away from immature people and not the mature stuff.
Don't feed the trolls, right?
Don't feed the trolls, right?
Extra Punctuation: What is Mature Anyway?
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I feel a strange motivation to unthinkingly defend Duke Nukem Forever. It's the same mindless instinct that makes me offended when people talk shit about the UK, even though I don't live there anymore because it's a grey, flat, miserable place more hung up on its past glory than William Shatner. I guess because Duke Nukem 3D was an important fixture in my teenage emotional development, which probably explains why I still greet women by tossing them fivers.
UNTHINKING DEFENCE MODE ACTIVATED!
Well I live in the Lake District, Cumbria, where it's nice and green and mountainy so fuck you and your barbeques Yahtzee!
UNTHINKING DEFENCE MODE ACTIVATED!
Well I live in the Lake District, Cumbria, where it's nice and green and mountainy so fuck you and your barbeques Yahtzee!
Appropriately, that game is one of the only well-known games released in recent years to never get an ESRB rating because it is only sold online.debossman21 said:
Which I think is what ought to start happening. Now that there's no fear of our government stepping in and imposing some sort of rating system on the industry, game companies are free to release their games without a rating. Publishers probably still won't bite, since there are potential lost sales at stake, but at least the whole "if we don't rate our games, the big bad gummint will!" argument is dead.
You know all this talk of the double standard between depictions of violence and the depictions of sex reminds me of all that whining and complaining Fox did about Mass Effect 1 and their "Se'xbox'" bits. Really just made me shake my head and want to send a letter to all those who work at Fox to act their age not their shoe size.
My favourite part, made me chuckle a lot.
Another awesome piece. I'd say the thing about the article noticing violence as being a lot less repressed than sexuality in videogames comes from the following. Most videogames are made BY and FOR America. And if there's one thing that stands true about America, it's John Cleese's analysis.
"Oh, it's simple. With them it's always all about sex."
Either the suggestiveness gone out of proportions to the point they might as well telegraph it as well as through censors calling for 'maturity', including to the more 'hip' online community preachers judging it by their own personal tastes and biases.
Which is wholly unsurprising why you found that Witcher 2 boob scene appropriate, given that it comes from a European developer. Granted, they also did the card thing in Witcher 1 and it's still aimed for the American market primarily, since they are the main body of consumers...but shaddap, it's still an improvement.
My parents used the ratings on games with regard to how I was behaving at the time. They would let me rent or buy games based on how mature I was acting, as opposed to my literal age. When I was really young that didn't come up as much, it was E or bust, but when I was a teenager I could rent or buy M games as long as I was being mature enough that they thought I could handle them. I think the system where it just lists the content would be a great way to encourage more parents to be aware of the content in games and maybe encourage awareness of what their specific kid could handle.
Yeah, your wrong. But keep thinking misrepresenting the whole thread if you want. Whatever lets you sleep at night.Kahunaburger said:
If you really can't see the difference between sex and violence in society, ask yourself why do can you play football in high school but not join the schools porn club? There is a difference, and your pretending and wanting there not to be doesnt magically make it so.
This whole discussion started from whining like you just said "SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" Thats your hyperbole and its the problem. 20 comments later. Still the same think, misrepresenting it as some sort of mythical screaming Simpsons preacher wife. Thats the only thing ridiculous here. Your non position that from beginning to end is based on strawman hyperbole to have the least bit of traction.
Clearly you have some idea or argument that you aren't communicating clearly to the rest of us. So please explain what you want to say clearly - otherwise it won't be possible to have a discussion. Also, don't get angry at people for failure to read your mindbombadilillo said:
Preach it brother.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
You want something that scares you far more than anything an 18 certificate puts out?
Your parents still think about doing it. To each other. Perhaps they still do after you sleep.
So do your grandparents.
Your kids probably have already thought about it.
So do your grandparents.
Your kids probably have already thought about it.
Ask your mum how you were born, one day.
Thank you Yahtzee, really thank you. I have to admit that I was bothered by DNF but only because of the comments on videos on Youtube talking about how it's okay to laugh at rape, besides the fact that vagina doors and wall boobs next to impregnated naked women moaning just plain creeps me out.
But I was born in 1990, these games were not meant for me... especially since I am a straight woman, but I really like what you said.
it does bother me how much people are upset by nudity in anything, especially since there is some pretty twisted shit going on tha tis allowed, but I do like your rating by book pictures idea, XD it could work. I wonder what games and movies would have pictures of Alex from Clockwork Orange though XD
But I was born in 1990, these games were not meant for me... especially since I am a straight woman, but I really like what you said.
it does bother me how much people are upset by nudity in anything, especially since there is some pretty twisted shit going on tha tis allowed, but I do like your rating by book pictures idea, XD it could work. I wonder what games and movies would have pictures of Alex from Clockwork Orange though XD
thats not the argument im making at all. i was merely pointing out the whole "sex = ban" thing.Steve the Pocket said:
Yeah, the "mature" label is very ironically named. It used to be a term likened to advanced or wisened, not the existance of boobs (something we ate from for the first months of our lives). Violence isn't much better, as if quanitiy of blood is represenitve of the impact. I saw more than a few slasher flims in my younger days and was never bothered by the acts of Jason or Freddie as much as say the death of Bambi's mother, the shooting of Old Yeller, or the darker parts of the Neverending Story.
So much of me agrees to dump the system entirely. It served some purpose years ago when we bought or rented or saw things largely in ignorance, but with the internet, we can look up God of War, dragon Age or anything and get a handle of the intensity level of things outselves. Sadly that takes work for a crowd of people that may not take the effort to read a rating label put in front of them, let alone do a google search. I'd like to add depth to things. You know, breking out grades of violence, language, nudity, and overall conent and explaining why they got those ratings. Sadly again, the back of game boxes is alread too full of legal crap to leave much room for screenshots. That would just put a novel on the back.
So much of me agrees to dump the system entirely. It served some purpose years ago when we bought or rented or saw things largely in ignorance, but with the internet, we can look up God of War, dragon Age or anything and get a handle of the intensity level of things outselves. Sadly that takes work for a crowd of people that may not take the effort to read a rating label put in front of them, let alone do a google search. I'd like to add depth to things. You know, breking out grades of violence, language, nudity, and overall conent and explaining why they got those ratings. Sadly again, the back of game boxes is alread too full of legal crap to leave much room for screenshots. That would just put a novel on the back.
Nice point. Thinking past the immediate "Whoooooaaaa!" moment of the aforementioned pencil scene in TDK is a much, much more horrific happening than what happens to the meat clusters in Mortal Kombat. But maybe that's the difference itself--a thinking pain. Without the faculties to imagine the gruesomeness of the results, the more visceral, bloody, broken bones/ruptured artery imagery is worse. It's the the same line of thought that the first layers of hell are the emotional layers, but the worst crimes, those punished further down, are the crimes where things are often smaller, more precise, more thought out. The personal or intellectual crimes, if you will. It's in the same light that the Heavy Rain Sequence sits so much more uncomfortably on the psyche than ripping off someone's legs in God of war.
I have to fully agree with this. The letter on the box is almost meaningless and the single phrase descriptors of the reasons for the ratings are only slightly informative. I do, however, appreciate the short rating explanations that you can find on the website for newer games. We could probably get away without a rating system that the government can use to regulate, but I do advocate parents having some control over what their children play. whattheyplay.com has some decent information, but it is generally behind the release schedule. The ESRB information is detailed and available a month before the release date; you just have to do your own homework to find it.CyricZ said:
I think the most mature games are the ones who aren't afraid of being childish.
That being said, there are limits, when I saw this, I never played Super Mario Galaxy again.
siiiiiigh.
That being said, there are limits, when I saw this, I never played Super Mario Galaxy again.
siiiiiigh.
Character investment increases tragedy and pain, not so much horror. I'd be just as horrified by a car crash sawing a stranger in half in front of me as I would if it did so to, say, my sister. It's equally nauseating and visceral either way; one just causes more emotional pain than the other.Dak_N_Jaxter said:
That said, as the poster above you pointed out, nothing happens to the toys, so why would that be anywhere near comparable to someone getting hacked up?
That and, y'know. They're toys. Plastic. They go through the motions, but I have a hard time picturing how it would physically hurt. Would it be terrible that their consciousness was snuffed out? Sure, okay. Not particularly horrifying though.
Probably sad that instead of laughing at this... my first thought was "Silly Yahtzee... if you actually played through The Witcher, you would know that Geralt is immune to disease"Yahtzee Croshaw said: