Almost nothing in here (save one tiny thing) isn't established by the game in the first hour or two. If that's considered a spoiler, there's hardly a point in even talking about the narrative content.Hypertion said:
Fallout 4 Review - Post-Apocalyptic Warlord Simulator 2287
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Ah. So you don't want to address my arguments but still act like they're all wrong. Class act. Way to miss the point. The COMBAT bores me. The story interests me. I know you don't respect me, but you can at least pretend that you at least skim the arguments I make. And you took my original comment about how you were using the No True Scotsman Fallacy beyond what I wanted to talk about, so can I ignore everything you said too?Smilomaniac said:
Well got a bit of bad news for you buddy. The type of Fallout fan you're interested in isn't very common. They're dying out. Because they either actually enjoy Fallout 3 and New Vegas (I actually know people who played the originals and enjoy the new ones, go figure. I'm bad at being 10 years old. I'll go tell them they're not real Fallout fans.) or they've got better things to do with their time than talk about how other people enjoying things ruins their franchise. And I'm not the type of Fallout fan you're interested in? Not exactly a very scathing insult. Why would I WANT to be that kind of fan?
Oh and No True Scotsman is still a logical fallacy that has a fundamental flaw in its logical structure. If you're ok with declaring victory based on logic that's fundamentally flawed then go ahead. You weren't going to listen to me because you already made up your mind that I was wrong before I opened my mouth. I got a good bit of mental exercise out of it, I'm content.
Did they put in Takedowns? Can you scout Far Cry style? Is disguises still an option? Do it still play as a mediocre early Hitman clone?Conrad Zimmerman said:
I'm hearing that both console versions are suffering from pretty bad framerate issues. Even the PC version isn't doing to well.
Leave it to Bethesda to make a poorly optimized game. For PC users, unless you have a monster rig and/or a dying need to play the game, I suggest you wait a year or two until the mods have been released so the game is playable (provided they aren't locked behind a paywall).
Leave it to Bethesda to make a poorly optimized game. For PC users, unless you have a monster rig and/or a dying need to play the game, I suggest you wait a year or two until the mods have been released so the game is playable (provided they aren't locked behind a paywall).
Confirming what Conrad said above - near everything in this review is only from the first two hours of the game. There are no significant spoilers included.Hypertion said:
My rig is two years old, GTX680 / 8GB RAM, and I am not seeing any framerate issues except that time I set off like twenty bottlecap mines with a fat man shot.ShakerSilver said:
I wouldn't call it "easy" necessarily. It's not as brutal as the combat in the original Fallout tended to be, but there are some pretty nasty fights in this.Do4600 said:
And yet Lion King is the overall better experience. I've read Shakespeare. While I overall enjoyed his work I think he was little more than a bawdy playwright. It utterly baffles me that people think he's the best thing since before sliced bread was even a thing.Do4600 said:
As erttheking has already stated, if liking the newer games more than the older ones means you have to revoke your Fan Card, then it wasn't worth much to have one to begin with. Being a fan doesn't automatically entitle you to be a condescending jerkwad to everyone who likes the parts of the series you don't like. If that's what it takes to be a "true fan" then you can keep that status. It isn't worthy of anything but shame.
Hi Conrad. I hope you can get to this comment. As someone who never played a Fallout game, would you say Fallout 4 is a good entry point if I could only play one in the series?
Look, I know I am not Conrad, but if you'll allow me, I'd say start with New Vegas. Parts 1 & 2, according to some people, did not age well, while F3 and (it seems so) F4 really lack in actual role-playing aspect.mysecondlife said:
NV, however, in my humble opinion, strikes a rather nice balance betwen being a good RPG and having relatively acceptable gameplay.
So, my biggest fears have been proven true: I am given some random assfaces for a spouse and a kid, for whom I am supposed to care just because Bethesda says so. Aaand, if leaks are correct, in the end I'll have to make a decision that makes F3 look like a masterpiece.
RPG aspects were neutered: no matter how strong I am, I am still not intimidating if I don't have a certain perk from Charisma tree. No matter how dumb I am, I will speak the same way. Some stats have become no more than seals, blocking access to perks. You only need Strength to carry things and Endurance to be hit and not die. And a goddamn average Joe and Jane voices.
You know what? Just make F5 already, but make it a post-apocalyptic FPS, so that the nail in the coffin could be finally hit.
I am not playing this. I won't buy it even for 2 bucks, because the time I can spend on this game I can also spend on far better games.
RPG aspects were neutered: no matter how strong I am, I am still not intimidating if I don't have a certain perk from Charisma tree. No matter how dumb I am, I will speak the same way. Some stats have become no more than seals, blocking access to perks. You only need Strength to carry things and Endurance to be hit and not die. And a goddamn average Joe and Jane voices.
You know what? Just make F5 already, but make it a post-apocalyptic FPS, so that the nail in the coffin could be finally hit.
I am not playing this. I won't buy it even for 2 bucks, because the time I can spend on this game I can also spend on far better games.
OK, this is not a reply to a specific comment of yours, but rather to your opinion on older Fallout games in general.erttheking said:
According to what you say, they did not age well and the combat is bad. I can't vouch fully for F2, since I did not finish it yet.
However, about F1. Yes, I have to agree that some things look and feel aged. I'd even go as far as to say that many (if not half) of skills are generally useless.
But, about gameplay and combat. Where did you stop? What exactly did you find bad? If it's about weapons not dealing enough damage, then you probably didn't play too much, because when I got an ordinary shotgun and had about 80 points in small guns (and good Agility) I had almost no problems up untill I started getting into fights with Deathclaws. And by then I had Desert Eagle .44 and This Gun I Remember The Name Of Not that could fire .226 rounds, which destroyed Deathclaws in 2-3 hits.
If it is about turn-based combat, however, then it's just probably not your thing. Did you like Shadowrun combat?