FBI Reportedly Arrests LulzSec Hacker (Or Not)

[Jou]

Anyone remember just recently when everyone was predicting the downfall of Anonymous? Because they had finally "gone too far" by attacking HBGary and Sony and taunting the FBI? What happened there? Oh right, nothing. Now we have another group laughing in the face of our government and their power over the internet. Fortunately, the net is still free. Let us hope it stays that way. While I don't particularly care for this group, they are doing something for which they believe in. I can respect those sort of people who risk themselves for an ideal. Both LS and Anon are fighting the man for free internet and free speech like all those crazies who say that the government can take their guns from their cold dead hands. We'll see if those are more talk than action when those dumb laws come along.

 

[Firehound]

What are they trying to accomplish? because all they seem to be doing is hacking sony over and over, and are riding the coattails of other hackers. They failed to hack nintendo and get anything, then claim 'oh it was just a dry run. don't worry nintendo.'

Is it possible these guys are just dumbasses who think they are much hotter shit then they are?

 

[Smerf]

so all they do is hack the networks and say they did it? i dont know about you, but i consider that benefitial. assuming they dont do anything other then tell the companies they did it.

 

[standokan]

Microsoft is probably like "phew, we dodged that bullet" right now

 

[Firehound]

Microsoft is probably like "phew, we dodged that bullet" right now

Meanwhile, In sony land....

"HAAAAAAAAAAAAX"

 

[Littlee300]

Lulzsec is basically Anonymous without it's ideals.... which is bad because Anonymous's ideals is what made them stable.

This can't end well...

Isn't it that ideal bullshit that caused some of anonymous to fight with each other?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110123-Anonymous-Spokesman-Quits-Forms-Splinter-Group

 

[Bobzer77]

These guys are seriously annoying. It's a surprise that people with egos this big can actually find time to do any hacking (what with all the self-admiration and the needless gloating). What LulzSec has done is taking all of the decent values of of Anonymous, and then used them as an excuse to annoy people just 'fr teh lulz'.

And that is why LulzSec should be put down.

Hate to ruin your little fantasy there but Anon has always been for teh lulz.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I didn't care for this group at all until I read these comments. Sure, Lulzsec are a bunch of douches, but looking through some of these posts, you people are fucking sick. I hope they get away with it, if only to spite you.

EDIT: Here, this guy said it perfectly:

OK, what have these guys really done? Made a few people change passwords?

Yet this thread is full of people calling for them to be imprisoned, tortured, and/or killed?

I gotta tell ya... it's not the hackers that scare me. You people need to get your priorities straight. AWWWW. You can't play your video games for a few days. Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo. If you really think someone taking down your playstation justifies killing people you need some time back in RL anyway.

 

[Firetaffer]

OK, what have these guys really done? Made a few people change passwords?

Yet this thread is full of people calling for them to be imprisoned, tortured, and/or killed?

I gotta tell ya... it's not the hackers that scare me. You people need to get your priorities straight. AWWWW. You can't play your video games for a few days. Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo. If you really think someone taking down your playstation justifies killing people you need some time back in RL anyway.

Absolutely agree, I believe murder is never justified, at least not for something like not being able to play games for a few days!

 

[Mad1Cow]

Hmm, see, Anonymous I don't care about...no really I don't. The relationship I have with them atm is that "You don't eff with me, there won't be a problem" and this relates to anything I do...so for example is Steam suddenly goes offline because of them I will be going on a murdering rampage, but they've yet to do that and the majority seem well organised and to do things purposely and planned...

LulzSec needs to be irradicated. They are hacking for the "funsies" which is just insane. The equivalent is like holding up banks at gunpoint and then saying "it was all a joke, deal with it". It's like the Joker from The Dark Knight but 1) he isn't cool, 2) it's the real Joker so that's more scary then awesome and 3) there is no link to their plans, no greater goal. Actually that sounds nothing like the Joker at all, I'm gonna wash out my mouth with soap now ¬_¬

 

[Asehujiko]

Apropos punishment for hackers:

1. Bring them into an interrogation room.

2. Tie them to a chair.

3. Smash one of their kneecaps with a sledgehammer.

4. When they scream in pain as a result of being smashed in the kneecap with a sledgehammer, say to them, "Hey, don't blame me, I'm just proving a point about how vulnerable the human knees are."

5. Repeat step 4 with varying body part targets until no longer funny. This may take a while.

...And then the news comes in that you have the guy who's only wrongdoing was being infected by a botnet and acting like a proxy.

You know, kind of what just happened to the guy in the article.

 

[Detective Prince]

*Points at LulzSec*

AND THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

Anyways...

Hackers annoy me, people not being able to arrest hackers annoys me more. -.- Hurry up people they're abusing Nyan Cat!!!

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Just out of interest, can the FBI arrest these guys if their not American citizens living in America?

If they were a bunch of Chinese tech wizz's for example then wouldnt they need to go through politial and legal channels for ages?

O.P: Lulzsec seem to be annoying a lot of big companies and theres no way this can end well, theres only 2 outcomes really

1. Lulzsec get found and arrested eventually
or 2. Lulzsec distroy the internet

It doesnt look like their going to stop untill either they or the internet are gone

Hacking is considered an act of war, so the military would go after them if they were in a different country

Haha!

...

Wait, you were serious?

No, hacking is only an "act of war" if it is carried out and organised by another country. If LulzSec are private individuals, and they are, America can't do jack shit without going through all the required legal and political channels in order to take them to court and/or get them extradited to the US.

If they are outside the US, and they can't track them down or positively identify them, there's nothing the US can do about it - they might think they're world police and their laws apply to everyone (like the times US companies sent Pirate Bay (who were/are in Sweden) cease and desist letters stating they were breaking US law... which doesn't apply to them, because they're not American, or in America), but that's not how the world works.

You're quite mistaken. Hacking has recently been classified as an act of war though actions taken thus far in the various attacks on game companies wouldn't qualify even under the loosest interpretation of the pentagon's findings on the matter.

And with regards to you larger point bear in mind that international law is predicated upon the naive notion that various parties will agree to follow the rulings. Anything beyond this gentleman's agreement must be gained through strength of arms. For example, the recent action in which the US assassinated a terrorist in Pakistan would easily qualify as an act of war. As would any of a dozen other similar infractions committed by various nations in the last few decades. Were that not enough, of the more than 100 recorded wars that took place in the time since the founding of the UN (the only body invested with the power to legally declare an offensive war according to international law) only a tiny fraction were waged with the consent of the UN.

This same dynamic is in play with the hackers. They commit acts that are obviously illegal and yet are rarely charged simply because it is often not possible to do so. Nation states have been playing this very game of brinksmanship for centuries now and perhaps it would be wise to occasionally remember that nation states have a long history of resorting to violence when things get complicated.

 

[JDKJ]

Just out of interest, can the FBI arrest these guys if their not American citizens living in America?

If they were a bunch of Chinese tech wizz's for example then wouldnt they need to go through politial and legal channels for ages?

O.P: Lulzsec seem to be annoying a lot of big companies and theres no way this can end well, theres only 2 outcomes really

1. Lulzsec get found and arrested eventually
or 2. Lulzsec distroy the internet

It doesnt look like their going to stop untill either they or the internet are gone

Hacking is considered an act of war, so the military would go after them if they were in a different country

Haha!

...

Wait, you were serious?

No, hacking is only an "act of war" if it is carried out and organised by another country. If LulzSec are private individuals, and they are, America can't do jack shit without going through all the required legal and political channels in order to take them to court and/or get them extradited to the US.

If they are outside the US, and they can't track them down or positively identify them, there's nothing the US can do about it - they might think they're world police and their laws apply to everyone (like the times US companies sent Pirate Bay (who were/are in Sweden) cease and desist letters stating they were breaking US law... which doesn't apply to them, because they're not American, or in America), but that's not how the world works.

That's a rather silly statement. If they were inside the US and they can't track them down or positively identify them, there'd also be nothing anyone could do. You can't ever arrest those who you haven't first identified and located.

And international arrest in and extradition from a country with treaty relationships to the US isn't that difficult (it can be a lengthy process if the person to be extradited chooses to mount legal opposition to their extradition but usually that just buys them time, nothing more). If you're in a non-friendly nation, like China or North Korea or Iran, you stand a very good chance of avoiding extradition (in fact, the US probably wouldn't even waste the time with an extradition request from any of those nations). But most democratic nations will allow for arrest and extradition to the United States, particularly if the person who is being extradited will not face penalty of death upon extradition (some nations, like Canada, who do not have the death penalty, are opposed to extradition involving the possibility of a death sentence) and particularly if the person to be extradited is not a national of the nation in which they have been found.

 

[Tempest13]

I'm ashamed no one on here seems to see the value in having vulnerable servers hacked.
Generally it costs a lot of money to get white hat security organizations to find vulnerabilities in your servers. LuzSec found the vulnerabilities then publicly disclosed them (known as grey hat hacking). What this does is forces lazy organizations who are practicing security through obscurity, or other incredibly flawed methods, to actually get off their asses and spend money to upgrade their servers and security.

They aren't black hats, and I see no real reason why everyone hates them so much.

Because instead of being informative and useful to the community at large they come across more as a bunch of asshats who make ridiculous justifications to get people on their side. They're not doing this to help anyone or make a statement, they're doing it because they're a group of children who take amusement in following a trend of hackers and anonymous online communities in order to be bigger assholes.

 

[The SettingSun]

These guys are just the evolved version of the stuck up teenager who hacks COD. They don't really have any ideals and are just doing it for the laugh. Annoymous did this type of thing so much better without affecting the customers.

 

[Blackpapa]

Apropos punishment for hackers:

1. Bring them into an interrogation room.

2. Tie them to a chair.

3. Smash one of their kneecaps with a sledgehammer.

4. When they scream in pain as a result of being smashed in the kneecap with a sledgehammer, say to them, "Hey, don't blame me, I'm just proving a point about how vulnerable the human knees are."

5. Repeat step 4 with varying body part targets until no longer funny. This may take a while.

How quaint. I believe the correct term is "enhanced interrogation techniques". Have you thought about applying for a government job? They can always use more specialists like yourself.

Now, just to make this clear. It doesn't matter what country or countries lulzsec is residing in. As a group with no major support or backing their extradition wouldn't raise many voices. Few countries would be willing to risk a plunge in US relations over lulzsec, especially since there's little to gain and much to lose.

It's a pity lulzsec doesn't get the big picture. If they'd be more reasonable they'd describe themselves as political activists, even if that isn't really the case . It's an added layer of security because political cases are more sensitive than criminal ones. Especially since not making a profit off of their activities is the first and most important requirement for legitimately calling a party "activist".

Point is, if you decide to fuck the US govt, at least wear a condom.

 

[Blackpapa]

Heh.

Can't wait till the Feds kick down their doors and haul their suburban white American asses off to prison. It'll be fun seeing who's lulzing then.

Ultimately lulzsec will be used as an argument why TOR and bitcoin should be made illegal, use of proxies outlawed and restrictions on the internet imposed.

There'll be people laughing for sure. But you aren't going to be one of them.

 

[Astoria]

They just seem like a bunch of idiots to me. Come on they're called Lulzsec for crying out loud. I hope they catch them just because they're annoying.

 

[ekkaman]

I Like there style.