Yes, the United States, home of Google, Microsoft, and Apple, doesn't know how to deal with technology. We put a person on the moon, we can guide a missile to within a few inches of the intended target, and started the Internet (had alpha testing as a system to link the US defense grid in the 1950s). I'm not saying we are the best, but I think it is estimate that the US fights off several hundred attacks on a monthly basis.Not G. Ivingname said:
FBI Reportedly Arrests LulzSec Hacker (Or Not)
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I would laugh so hard if these arrogant dipshits were mid-hack, when some Navy SEALs land outside their respective homes and fucking murder them to death.
"Nobody arrested, no significant logs leaked, website up, twitter up, Pirate Bay account up, IRC up, Lulz Boat sailing..."
"Everybody dead, logs irrelevant, website up but not tended by the living, twitter spamming unintelligble messages because a lulzboat guy is face down on his keyboard, IRC dead quiet, Lulz Boat sunk and everyone dead..."
Oh wait. They're basically trolls, right? Only the intertrons has no banhammer to shut them the fuck up. Maybe the SEALs arent a bad idea
"Nobody arrested, no significant logs leaked, website up, twitter up, Pirate Bay account up, IRC up, Lulz Boat sailing..."
"Everybody dead, logs irrelevant, website up but not tended by the living, twitter spamming unintelligble messages because a lulzboat guy is face down on his keyboard, IRC dead quiet, Lulz Boat sunk and everyone dead..."
Oh wait. They're basically trolls, right? Only the intertrons has no banhammer to shut them the fuck up. Maybe the SEALs arent a bad idea
Anyone remember just recently when everyone was predicting the downfall of Anonymous? Because they had finally "gone too far" by attacking HBGary and Sony and taunting the FBI? What happened there? Oh right, nothing. Now we have another group laughing in the face of our government and their power over the internet. Fortunately, the net is still free. Let us hope it stays that way. While I don't particularly care for this group, they are doing something for which they believe in. I can respect those sort of people who risk themselves for an ideal. Both LS and Anon are fighting the man for free internet and free speech like all those crazies who say that the government can take their guns from their cold dead hands. We'll see if those are more talk than action when those dumb laws come along.
What are they trying to accomplish? because all they seem to be doing is hacking sony over and over, and are riding the coattails of other hackers. They failed to hack nintendo and get anything, then claim 'oh it was just a dry run. don't worry nintendo.'
Is it possible these guys are just dumbasses who think they are much hotter shit then they are?
Is it possible these guys are just dumbasses who think they are much hotter shit then they are?
Isn't it that ideal bullshit that caused some of anonymous to fight with each other?Gunner_Guardian said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110123-Anonymous-Spokesman-Quits-Forms-Splinter-Group
I didn't care for this group at all until I read these comments. Sure, Lulzsec are a bunch of douches, but looking through some of these posts, you people are fucking sick. I hope they get away with it, if only to spite you.
EDIT: Here, this guy said it perfectly:
EDIT: Here, this guy said it perfectly:
UrKnightErrant said:
Absolutely agree, I believe murder is never justified, at least not for something like not being able to play games for a few days!UrKnightErrant said:
Hmm, see, Anonymous I don't care about...no really I don't. The relationship I have with them atm is that "You don't eff with me, there won't be a problem" and this relates to anything I do...so for example is Steam suddenly goes offline because of them I will be going on a murdering rampage, but they've yet to do that and the majority seem well organised and to do things purposely and planned...
LulzSec needs to be irradicated. They are hacking for the "funsies" which is just insane. The equivalent is like holding up banks at gunpoint and then saying "it was all a joke, deal with it". It's like the Joker from The Dark Knight but 1) he isn't cool, 2) it's the real Joker so that's more scary then awesome and 3) there is no link to their plans, no greater goal. Actually that sounds nothing like the Joker at all, I'm gonna wash out my mouth with soap now ¬_¬
LulzSec needs to be irradicated. They are hacking for the "funsies" which is just insane. The equivalent is like holding up banks at gunpoint and then saying "it was all a joke, deal with it". It's like the Joker from The Dark Knight but 1) he isn't cool, 2) it's the real Joker so that's more scary then awesome and 3) there is no link to their plans, no greater goal. Actually that sounds nothing like the Joker at all, I'm gonna wash out my mouth with soap now ¬_¬
*Points at LulzSec*
AND THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
Anyways...
Hackers annoy me, people not being able to arrest hackers annoys me more. -.- Hurry up people they're abusing Nyan Cat!!!
AND THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
Anyways...
Hackers annoy me, people not being able to arrest hackers annoys me more. -.- Hurry up people they're abusing Nyan Cat!!!
You're quite mistaken. Hacking has recently been classified as an act of war though actions taken thus far in the various attacks on game companies wouldn't qualify even under the loosest interpretation of the pentagon's findings on the matter.JordanMillward_1 said:
And with regards to you larger point bear in mind that international law is predicated upon the naive notion that various parties will agree to follow the rulings. Anything beyond this gentleman's agreement must be gained through strength of arms. For example, the recent action in which the US assassinated a terrorist in Pakistan would easily qualify as an act of war. As would any of a dozen other similar infractions committed by various nations in the last few decades. Were that not enough, of the more than 100 recorded wars that took place in the time since the founding of the UN (the only body invested with the power to legally declare an offensive war according to international law) only a tiny fraction were waged with the consent of the UN.
This same dynamic is in play with the hackers. They commit acts that are obviously illegal and yet are rarely charged simply because it is often not possible to do so. Nation states have been playing this very game of brinksmanship for centuries now and perhaps it would be wise to occasionally remember that nation states have a long history of resorting to violence when things get complicated.
That's a rather silly statement. If they were inside the US and they can't track them down or positively identify them, there'd also be nothing anyone could do. You can't ever arrest those who you haven't first identified and located.JordanMillward_1 said:
And international arrest in and extradition from a country with treaty relationships to the US isn't that difficult (it can be a lengthy process if the person to be extradited chooses to mount legal opposition to their extradition but usually that just buys them time, nothing more). If you're in a non-friendly nation, like China or North Korea or Iran, you stand a very good chance of avoiding extradition (in fact, the US probably wouldn't even waste the time with an extradition request from any of those nations). But most democratic nations will allow for arrest and extradition to the United States, particularly if the person who is being extradited will not face penalty of death upon extradition (some nations, like Canada, who do not have the death penalty, are opposed to extradition involving the possibility of a death sentence) and particularly if the person to be extradited is not a national of the nation in which they have been found.
Because instead of being informative and useful to the community at large they come across more as a bunch of asshats who make ridiculous justifications to get people on their side. They're not doing this to help anyone or make a statement, they're doing it because they're a group of children who take amusement in following a trend of hackers and anonymous online communities in order to be bigger assholes.AC10 said:
These guys are just the evolved version of the stuck up teenager who hacks COD. They don't really have any ideals and are just doing it for the laugh. Annoymous did this type of thing so much better without affecting the customers.
How quaint. I believe the correct term is "enhanced interrogation techniques". Have you thought about applying for a government job? They can always use more specialists like yourself.Trifixion said:
Now, just to make this clear. It doesn't matter what country or countries lulzsec is residing in. As a group with no major support or backing their extradition wouldn't raise many voices. Few countries would be willing to risk a plunge in US relations over lulzsec, especially since there's little to gain and much to lose.
It's a pity lulzsec doesn't get the big picture. If they'd be more reasonable they'd describe themselves as political activists, even if that isn't really the case . It's an added layer of security because political cases are more sensitive than criminal ones. Especially since not making a profit off of their activities is the first and most important requirement for legitimately calling a party "activist".
Point is, if you decide to fuck the US govt, at least wear a condom.