Final Fantasy VII Remake Pushed Even Further From Possibility

[Prophetic Heresy]

I'm just gonna say it's a shame to all parties.

FF7 was one of the most important games of my childhood, and when I think of kids being raised today on FFXIII, it makes me puke at how low Squeenix has sunk. Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

I'm positive that they could've put out a remake INSTEAD of all the shit they've been doing for the past 5 years because:
1) They definitely have Character animation and voice acting down - Look at FFXIII, that was arguably the only good thing about the game.
2) They definitely have the technology to make big world maps - Look at FFXII.

The fact is, Square doesn't have the mojo anymore, or the magic, or whatever you call it. They're admitting right here that they'll never make a game good enough for me to play again.
An FF7 remake would be great not only for fans, but for new generations of gamers who didn't experience it back in the 90's. Gone is the time when JRPG's were actually respected and gaming required more than just "press X not to die."

I can't help but agree completely with what you just said. I'm actually reminded of the other day when I was playing...you know what? I don't even feel like sarcasm.

First off, how many games rely on one single button? None. Stop belittling the work that developers put into their games. If you don't like shooters that's fine but don't put down the people who make good games or the people who enjoy them to stroke your own ego.

Second, stop getting your "witty comments" from Zero Punctuation. Most people on this site have already heard them, laughed, and moved on. Yahtzee is funny and he occasionally stumbles on to an interesting point about gaming, but his points only naturally occur in jokes. When you try to use them as actual arguments you just sound like a pretentious idiot.

Finally, apologize to anyone who might have actually had their opinion changed by reading your post. Inform them that you are entirely wrong you apologize for misleading them, even as poorly as you did.

 

[gigastrike]

...Maybe that's why games are lacking in content these days, it would take an eternity to make them with current gen graphics.

 

[Akalistos]

I had a thought, what if this is part of a clever marketing ploy? They make the game seem more and more of an impossibility, then suddenly one day they announce it as official. Think about it.

Unlikely. There will be, and that no matter how much polish the game would be, a major backlash. Anything remade has been shot down. So why make a new one for the sake of nothing. Beside, I'll prefer (If i were them) pushing FF7 on virtual Console instead of wasting Billion and years of work to be call for something that is basically a nostalgia goggle trip.

DOES IT NOT SEEM LIKE THE IDEAL PRODUCT THEN? Don't try to make an excuses like "we'd need to add more content to keep people happy". People would buy it even if you added a peripheral that kicks them in the crotch every time they press a button. Listen to me, I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE THE GAME THAT MUCH, yet I'm the first one to say that it makes sense from a pure financial standpoint.

Nobody want to be a one trick pony. Imagine Leonardo Da Vinci: Wouldn't that piss you off to be continuously ask for a new Mona Lisa? It more than feasible... but do they want it? Also, remake are considered (or bash) by those ... how do you call them? Fangirls. It will never touch the original because of nostalgia and will end up in the local bin with FFXIII. And there fact that you can't make a remake without improvement. Not, let that game have a spot in our memory and the disk safely buried in the video game cemetery.

 

[Tom Phoenix]

Yes, I am preety sure he is exaggerating for the sake of forcing people to leave him alone.

I am actually kind of mixed on the subject of a FF VII remake. On one hand, I would LOVE to see it remade, especially considering they have been making a trend of remaking their older titles. Even if not all people view it as a good title, there is more then enough people who are interested in seeing it remade.

On the other, however, I seriously doubt they would ever release the remake on the PC, even though the original was (hence why it has a special place in my heart). Sure, it was a shoddy port...but at least it was there. But seeing how Square gave up on ports after 8, I seriously doubt the new Square Enix will be willing to change that policy.

 

[FinalHeart95]

30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

 

[Akalistos]

Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

HELL THE FUCK YES.

Seriously, Final Fantasy VII was... decent for it's time. Remaking it brings nothing new to gaming in general.

Yes, we need more compelling and inventive games, like Halo 3! Because that game was nothing like it's predecessor and brought an an entire new concept to gaming. I mean, space marines killing aliens!? OMG! Or what about Street Fighter 4. It's FIGHTING.. in the STREETS! That's never been done before. Or heck, even SE's most recent game, Nier. A 3rd person action game where you fight monsters with a variety of weapons and go on quests for townspeople. Never been done before! We can't go around remaking games people want when there's so much new and interesting stuff to be done.

When your done with your tantrum, hear me out.
They can do what they want. Square as clearly no intention of doing anything remotely FF7. Nostalgia is the only thing you see in this game and the effect of seeing it again will just turn your admiration into a Nerd Rage. Like i did back in the day when i booted up MGS-TTS and i saw the cutscene. As for those game.

Halo: Halo had a narrative that spawn from the first and ended with the third. Except for the multiplayers, nobody is foolish enough to buy the new one for the story. That is, until they found a clever way to bring Master Chief... but i doubt it.

Street Fighter: That a competitive game. You boot it up when you want a good time and with the advent of Console Online Play, they successfully recreate the arcade feel. It isn't about story or gameplay. It's about to be who got the bigger ... eueeu... Hadoken.

Nier: Now your too vague, you can argue that F.F. series fall into that category and i could tell you... HERE YOUR REMAKE! Your bashing a genre for Cloud? There a lot of great game. Have you play BRAVE FENCER MUSACHI? Or How about the BREATH OF FIRE I myself, i'm trying to go back on some classic that i miss. Ever heard of WILD GUN?

Once your done, you'll see that there were gems out there and that we don't want remake... we want new gem.

 

[Akalistos]

30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

God Forbid? You mean you like a one trick pony?

 

[Akalistos]

Call this wishful thinking but I kind of think they may be trying to buy time with these overblown statements. No way would it take 40 years but they haven't figured out exactly how they could re-create the mechanics of the "over-world" system. I would bet money that one day somewhere down the line Sqeenix will do this and when they do they will have more money than they know what to do with. I would expect to hear something around the 20th anniversary of the original game, 2017.

Prepare you Sqeenex... you'll need them in 2017.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game.

THANK YOU! People need to just realize they would be playing the very same game just new graphics.

 

[Rocksa]

While a FFVII remake would be kind of cool, it'd have to include some new stuff to really warrant a purchase from me. I've played the game countless times, beaten it, explored every nook and cranny. I've mastered every materia, gotten every skill, leveled everyone up to max level. I've done it, and I'm done with it. Slapping a fresh coat of paint and a few fancy sounding music tracks really won't impress me.

If you want to remake something, how about VI? Nice steampunk setting, better story than VII, could maybe toss in something to let you keep fighting around in those mech things from the start of the game.

Or how about Xenogears? Huge game, lot of fun, crazy story that could suck you in. Starts to feel like they just gave up at disc two though, they could fix that, retool the story a bit, make the whole thing fit in with Xenosaga better.

Or, let's just redo R.A.D., and put it on the type of platform it sould have been on to begin with. You fight with giant robots in a Fight Night type of control style, you have these massive destructible cities that you fight in. The robots transform into awesome modes. Hook all of that up with current gen capabilities and you've got something great. Imagine a game where you go head to head, or possibly even co-op with a buddy or two, each piloting a giant robot and (possibly in a remake) having your actual character running around and fighting minions in a sort of GTA style sandbox. The game was fun doing versus mode, but was hampered by it being split screen, playing over Live or the PSN Network would make it a great experience. Or let's just make R.A.D. 2.

Point is, there are better candidates for a remake than VII. That game was done, didn't really have any loose ends or any glaring parts that were ommited. VI is old enough that it could be updated to a generation that have never touched it. Xenogears was great, but had a lot of seemingly unfinished and unpolished bits to it. R.A.D. was...well it was just awesome and needs a remake or sequel already.

 

[sanezombie]

Honestly I'd love to see a remake of FF IX, but I know that won't happen until VII gets remade first.

I also believe they are just waiting for something, they know people will buy it if they make it, so their has to be something in the way or just waiting for something.

 

[Xanadu84]

He is probably technically right, just completely ignoring common sense. I'm willing to bet that what it comes down to is that FFVII and FFXIII are very different games from a programming perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if importing, lets say Mario World to the Empire: Total War engine, took 40 years, because doing so wouldn't make any sense. Same deal with moving VII to XIII. If he thought about it for more then a few seconds, and instead tried to think about just updating the models while keeping the same layout, the development cycle would be more like a year or 2.

Of course it's also worth pointing out that its probably not worth the time he took to justify his excuse to himself. He doesn't want to make a remake because the original is still there, and he wants to work on new stuff instead. It's a legitimate opinion. I'm kind of disappointed (I hate to admit), but I could still go and play the original.

 

[NickCaligo42]

What? How does that even make sense? They have the script. They have the game design, they have the music, they have all the concept art... honestly, it'd take less than two years tops. What a load of shite.

They have the MAPS, too--all those pre-rendered top-down scenes give them a really convenient blueprint, and not a single one of them is as complex as an Unreal Tournament 3 map. I could make one. What Square's covering up is that they're EXTRAORDINARILY bad at making environment assets and haven't updated their development pipeline since the PS2.

 

[lumenadducere]

Yeah, that really sounds ridiculous. There's no way it would take 40 years - they're either sick and tired of hearing that question or they're trying to make everyone think it's not going to happen so that when it finally does it's a surprise.

As for TWEWY, it'd be great if they made another game in that series, but ideally not a direct sequel - the story for that one ended up nice and tidy. A spinoff with a different group of characters or something would be preferable IMO.

 

[Jfswift]

They could have just said no, instead of spewing a huge line like that. 40 years.. come on, it doesn't take that long to redress a game and make it look a little nicer.

 

[Brad Shepard]

Am I one of the only Final Fantasy fans that does not give a flying shit about this? Woo, there making the same game.

This is just for all the graphic whores out there that couldent see that FF7 had a great story, but couldent get past the blocks.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

A remake would piss a lot of people off, after all the spins offs like Crisis Core, they would need to make a new script to ensure it has everything based off them continuity wise.

As well as more plot holes, a new battle system, equipment system, leveling system, voice actors etc.

In short, if they make it, it'll piss a lot of fans off. Besides, why have a game that you've already finished a dozen times remade? Wasn't that enough.

I'm sick of SE living in the past and re releasing everything under the sun, I would rather they focus on new games to be honest.

 

[geizr]

To Square-Enix, I call BS on the 40 years to remake FFVII. It shouldn't really take you more than 5 years; the game wasn't THAT big. In fact, it's pretty small compared to a lot of stuff today.

To everyone else, FFVII was a legendary game in its time. However, its time has ended, and it is now time to move on to something new and different.