Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

[Erttheking]

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I don't care what you call it, it was an insult. I don't particularly care for being accused of having a mental disorder. And your "interpretation" was based entirely in hysteria, so I don't find it particularly "genuine"

If supporting the developers right to change their own goddamn game as they see fit means I support censorship, then yes I support censorship. I fail to see how that's so horrible.

Self-censorship needs to stop being treated like something that's going to destroy freedom of speech forever. I've posted public writings for half a decade and I've self censored myself multiple times. It's something you do when you write and release it to the public. Outrage against it is coming from people who fail to understand how the writing process works. Nintendo flat out described this as being business as usual for its localization process. Make something taboo? Ok, whats being made taboo? And what campaign is being held? You're just bringing things up out of nowhere. If anything I'm seeing a campaign against developers being able to freely change their own work.

The Dead or Alive mess? Oh, we're still on that? Because they decided to not export it because they thought it would do better in Japan (What I got when I googled what you told me to) it's censorship? Do I need to bring up the fact that the SJW angle there was because of a community manager whose views were shunned by the actual devs three times? And once again. There was no moral panic regarding skinshipping. To any significant degree. It has no relevance to this particular conversation

 

[Erttheking]

Gaming could use less pearl-clutching. Period.

Says the guy with the avatar of the Pearl Clutching Queen.

And you've got an avatar heavily based off of a hacking terrorist. Does it actually mean anything? No. Bringing up a person's avatar is not a valid counter-argument.

 

[Quellist]

It's all minor stuff i know but i'm starting to wonder if Nintendo will just ship an empty box with a 'Content Removed for your safety' card inside

 

[Fappy]

This is a good thing as far as I am concerned. Nothing of value was lost. Sure, it could have been morbidly entertaining, but a petting simulator does not belong in Fire Emblem. Full stop. This isn't a fucking dating sim. When I found out about this being in the Japanese version I face-desked so hard my nose fractured in 49 places.

 

[Piecewise]

Gaming could use less pearl-clutching. Period.

Says the guy with the avatar of the Pearl Clutching Queen.

And you've got an avatar heavily based off of a hacking terrorist. Does it actually mean anything? No. Bringing up a person's avatar is not a valid counter-argument.

It wasn't an argument, friendo, just an observation.

 

[Denamic]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

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Oh come on. Thats at worst just bad writing, not some sort of ideological message they're trying to shove in. There's no malice there; it's just stupid. And calling it "Gay conversion therapy" is like saying that The Last of Us is pro-patriarchal propaganda because it has a girl following a guy around and eventually being saved by him.

There's no malice in gay conversion therapy either. Those idiots think they're helping.

Same sex "practice relationships" are a thing in Japanese society. And by "a thing" I mean something that causes a lot of strife among the LGBT population of Japan.

Plus, it bring bad writing is a good enough reason to cut it. Why would you want to keep bad writing?

Also, what the heck does it have to do with the petting part? This sounds like completely unrelated stupidity.

It's another thing that got cut by Nintendo. It being unrelated is why it got linked to the other article.

EDIT: Stupid mobile.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The same people who preferred FE back when its sales were steadily decreasing due to people losing interest. The same people who kept whining about changes every entry since the series came to America with Blazing Sword and could never properly articulate their arguments thus leading to mass miscommunication. The same people who claim the supports of Awakening were stupid when in fact supports had been around since Seisen no Keifu way back in 1996 and have been loved by the fandom at large (the exclusion of them being a major criticism leveled against Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon) as well as being just as silly most of the time.

Seriously, let's not pretend that the so-called "true" FE fans are even a significant minority; the grand majority of fans are not over at Serenes Forest or Gamefaqs, they're mostly just playing their games and having fun, including with the relationship values because they have better things to do with their time. Seriously, if the "true" FE fans wanna leave, go ahead, they won't be missed. If anything the series is in for a major pruning as is the case with long-running franchises where cantankerous sub-sets have been allowed to fester. Best to move on and get new people on board lest the series vanish up its ass.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I am glad to know that I now live in a world where a localization of a strategy game marketed for kids lives or dies based on its waifu petting mini-game. Wake me up when we get past the Rob Liefield stage and the industry's dead.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

New? Just because you're aware of it now doesn't make it new. Nintendo always does this sort of thing.

 

[Piecewise]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

The thing thats always been weird to me is the way this entire thing resembles the whole Jack Thompson "video games cause violence" argument. Except it's the "Video games cause sexism" argument. And for some reason people who rejected the first one are eating up the second one.

 

[Fappy]

The people who have a problem with skinshiping being removed just irk me.

Its skinshiping you people are defending. Let this Fire emblem fan tell you how the fanbase viewed that feature.
Skinshiping was a feature most fans were downright EMBARESED to have in their series. Skinship was the clearest and most unwelcome exemple of IS putting in more and more fanservice no matter the cost to the product. It was the stain on a proud series we just had to stomach because Otaku's had more money to spend. And now people are willing to overlook all that to fight "censorship". Thats just weak and even damaging to Fire emblem if Nintendo would listen to that.

Skinshiping does not and will never belong in Fire emblem. It clashes with about every theme the series ever had.

I suppose one legitimate concern is that skinship had gameplay benifits. Maybe they will remplace it with something , maybe they won't . To me even putting nothing in Skinships place is still preferable to one of the greatest game series debasing itself with skinship.

A million times this.

People are so blinded by "teh censorship" hard-line that they aren't even considering the integrity of the brand here. Sometimes creators make dumbass decisions. Just look at George Lucas.

Change is okay, so long as the integrity/soul of the product is in tact. In this case the removal of this "feature" actually improves its integrity.

Seriously, who in the US actually wanted this feature? I guarantee +90% of the playerbase won't even know this was removed from the US version and they will fucking love it regardless.

 

[ShakerSilver]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The Fire Emblem game underneath that fanservice is rather shallow and lackluster compared to previous installments simply due to the fact that they've been putting a lot of their effort in development towards fanservice elements. Removing the more egregious instances only nets you with a subpar Fire Emblem game with subpar fanservice.

 

[Piecewise]

It wasn't an argument, friendo, just an observation.

A completely meaningless observation, which makes one wonder why you even made it.

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

Yes, there is objectively less content (that we know of, I've seen several people talk about Fire Emblem localization being rather extensive), but that's not an inherently bad thing and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

Buddy, you're arguing with someone on an internet forum. This entire thing is meaningless.

I just found it funny that someone would complain about people overreacting while having an avatar depicting someone who has made their fortune and fame entirely based upon people overreacting.

It was like poetry. It Rhymed.

 

[Erttheking]

Gaming could use less pearl-clutching. Period.

Says the guy with the avatar of the Pearl Clutching Queen.

And you've got an avatar heavily based off of a hacking terrorist. Does it actually mean anything? No. Bringing up a person's avatar is not a valid counter-argument.

It wasn't an argument, friendo, just an observation.

Sorry. Poe's law and all of that.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The same people who preferred FE back when its sales were steadily decreasing due to people losing interest. The same people who kept whining about changes every entry since the series came to America with Blazing Sword and could never properly articulate their arguments thus leading to mass miscommunication. The same people who claim the supports of Awakening were stupid when in fact supports had been around since Seisen no Keifu way back in 1996 and have been loved by the fandom at large (the exclusion of them being a major criticism leveled against Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon) as well as being just as silly most of the time.

Seriously, let's not pretend that the so-called "true" FE fans are even a significant minority; the grand majority of fans are not over at Serenes Forest or Gamefaqs, they're mostly just playing their games and having fun, including with the relationship values because they have better things to do with their time. Seriously, if the "true" FE fans wanna leave, go ahead, they won't be missed. If anything the series is in for a major pruning as is the case with long-running franchises where cantankerous sub-sets have been allowed to fester. Best to move on and get new people on board lest the series vanish up its ass.

Weebs like the two of us don't define the series either. It also includes guys like my dad who just like strategy games and kids who just like swords and shit. Further, as someone who does follow a lot of Japanese entertainment, I am never really pleased when anything starts down the Otaku pandering road. That's rarely a good road for media very clearly made to have a relatively low barrier to entry and a wide appeal to take.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

I prefer quality over quantity, I imagine most people do. And since from what I'm hearing this would've actually been required to get to some A and S ranks, I'm glad that the pacing of the game won't come grinding to a halt because I had to go molest a few more people. I'm starting to wonder if the number of people who would've enjoyed it could hold a candle to the number of people who would've found it annoying and intrusive. And online censorship movement? What movement? What organized movement? And fear? I'm sorry, is every time a developer changes something it's out of fear? That's an utterly baseless claim. I've changed quite a few things in my work and it was never out of fear.

Nintendo is run by adults who have been doing this for decades, they described this as business as usual. Give them a little credit for the love of Christ.

 

[Fappy]

Another thing: people claiming that censorship is getting more and more widespread clearly weren't alive in the 90's. Censorship is super fucking rare these days, especially because most publishers actually aim for M ratings more than they used to. You can also get away with a lot more before hitting the AO mark these days. Notice how saying "fuck" and showing boobs has gradually become more and more excepted in gaming in the past ten years?