Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

[Denamic]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

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Oh come on. Thats at worst just bad writing, not some sort of ideological message they're trying to shove in. There's no malice there; it's just stupid. And calling it "Gay conversion therapy" is like saying that The Last of Us is pro-patriarchal propaganda because it has a girl following a guy around and eventually being saved by him.

There's no malice in gay conversion therapy either. Those idiots think they're helping.

Same sex "practice relationships" are a thing in Japanese society. And by "a thing" I mean something that causes a lot of strife among the LGBT population of Japan.

Plus, it bring bad writing is a good enough reason to cut it. Why would you want to keep bad writing?

Also, what the heck does it have to do with the petting part? This sounds like completely unrelated stupidity.

It's another thing that got cut by Nintendo. It being unrelated is why it got linked to the other article.

EDIT: Stupid mobile.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The same people who preferred FE back when its sales were steadily decreasing due to people losing interest. The same people who kept whining about changes every entry since the series came to America with Blazing Sword and could never properly articulate their arguments thus leading to mass miscommunication. The same people who claim the supports of Awakening were stupid when in fact supports had been around since Seisen no Keifu way back in 1996 and have been loved by the fandom at large (the exclusion of them being a major criticism leveled against Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon) as well as being just as silly most of the time.

Seriously, let's not pretend that the so-called "true" FE fans are even a significant minority; the grand majority of fans are not over at Serenes Forest or Gamefaqs, they're mostly just playing their games and having fun, including with the relationship values because they have better things to do with their time. Seriously, if the "true" FE fans wanna leave, go ahead, they won't be missed. If anything the series is in for a major pruning as is the case with long-running franchises where cantankerous sub-sets have been allowed to fester. Best to move on and get new people on board lest the series vanish up its ass.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I am glad to know that I now live in a world where a localization of a strategy game marketed for kids lives or dies based on its waifu petting mini-game. Wake me up when we get past the Rob Liefield stage and the industry's dead.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

New? Just because you're aware of it now doesn't make it new. Nintendo always does this sort of thing.

 

[Piecewise]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

The thing thats always been weird to me is the way this entire thing resembles the whole Jack Thompson "video games cause violence" argument. Except it's the "Video games cause sexism" argument. And for some reason people who rejected the first one are eating up the second one.

 

[Fappy]

The people who have a problem with skinshiping being removed just irk me.

Its skinshiping you people are defending. Let this Fire emblem fan tell you how the fanbase viewed that feature.
Skinshiping was a feature most fans were downright EMBARESED to have in their series. Skinship was the clearest and most unwelcome exemple of IS putting in more and more fanservice no matter the cost to the product. It was the stain on a proud series we just had to stomach because Otaku's had more money to spend. And now people are willing to overlook all that to fight "censorship". Thats just weak and even damaging to Fire emblem if Nintendo would listen to that.

Skinshiping does not and will never belong in Fire emblem. It clashes with about every theme the series ever had.

I suppose one legitimate concern is that skinship had gameplay benifits. Maybe they will remplace it with something , maybe they won't . To me even putting nothing in Skinships place is still preferable to one of the greatest game series debasing itself with skinship.

A million times this.

People are so blinded by "teh censorship" hard-line that they aren't even considering the integrity of the brand here. Sometimes creators make dumbass decisions. Just look at George Lucas.

Change is okay, so long as the integrity/soul of the product is in tact. In this case the removal of this "feature" actually improves its integrity.

Seriously, who in the US actually wanted this feature? I guarantee +90% of the playerbase won't even know this was removed from the US version and they will fucking love it regardless.

 

[ShakerSilver]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The Fire Emblem game underneath that fanservice is rather shallow and lackluster compared to previous installments simply due to the fact that they've been putting a lot of their effort in development towards fanservice elements. Removing the more egregious instances only nets you with a subpar Fire Emblem game with subpar fanservice.

 

[Piecewise]

It wasn't an argument, friendo, just an observation.

A completely meaningless observation, which makes one wonder why you even made it.

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

Yes, there is objectively less content (that we know of, I've seen several people talk about Fire Emblem localization being rather extensive), but that's not an inherently bad thing and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

Buddy, you're arguing with someone on an internet forum. This entire thing is meaningless.

I just found it funny that someone would complain about people overreacting while having an avatar depicting someone who has made their fortune and fame entirely based upon people overreacting.

It was like poetry. It Rhymed.

 

[Erttheking]

Gaming could use less pearl-clutching. Period.

Says the guy with the avatar of the Pearl Clutching Queen.

And you've got an avatar heavily based off of a hacking terrorist. Does it actually mean anything? No. Bringing up a person's avatar is not a valid counter-argument.

It wasn't an argument, friendo, just an observation.

Sorry. Poe's law and all of that.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The same people who preferred FE back when its sales were steadily decreasing due to people losing interest. The same people who kept whining about changes every entry since the series came to America with Blazing Sword and could never properly articulate their arguments thus leading to mass miscommunication. The same people who claim the supports of Awakening were stupid when in fact supports had been around since Seisen no Keifu way back in 1996 and have been loved by the fandom at large (the exclusion of them being a major criticism leveled against Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon) as well as being just as silly most of the time.

Seriously, let's not pretend that the so-called "true" FE fans are even a significant minority; the grand majority of fans are not over at Serenes Forest or Gamefaqs, they're mostly just playing their games and having fun, including with the relationship values because they have better things to do with their time. Seriously, if the "true" FE fans wanna leave, go ahead, they won't be missed. If anything the series is in for a major pruning as is the case with long-running franchises where cantankerous sub-sets have been allowed to fester. Best to move on and get new people on board lest the series vanish up its ass.

Weebs like the two of us don't define the series either. It also includes guys like my dad who just like strategy games and kids who just like swords and shit. Further, as someone who does follow a lot of Japanese entertainment, I am never really pleased when anything starts down the Otaku pandering road. That's rarely a good road for media very clearly made to have a relatively low barrier to entry and a wide appeal to take.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Yes. You might not. I might not. Someone will. The point is that it's more cut content. We get a version of the game that has objectively less content, because they fear this new online censorship movement bullshit.

I prefer quality over quantity, I imagine most people do. And since from what I'm hearing this would've actually been required to get to some A and S ranks, I'm glad that the pacing of the game won't come grinding to a halt because I had to go molest a few more people. I'm starting to wonder if the number of people who would've enjoyed it could hold a candle to the number of people who would've found it annoying and intrusive. And online censorship movement? What movement? What organized movement? And fear? I'm sorry, is every time a developer changes something it's out of fear? That's an utterly baseless claim. I've changed quite a few things in my work and it was never out of fear.

Nintendo is run by adults who have been doing this for decades, they described this as business as usual. Give them a little credit for the love of Christ.

 

[Fappy]

Another thing: people claiming that censorship is getting more and more widespread clearly weren't alive in the 90's. Censorship is super fucking rare these days, especially because most publishers actually aim for M ratings more than they used to. You can also get away with a lot more before hitting the AO mark these days. Notice how saying "fuck" and showing boobs has gradually become more and more excepted in gaming in the past ten years?

 

[Cybylt]

The SMT crossover will either be a glorious disaster or Persona with Fire Emblems. In either case I will enjoy it, even if it dramatically under-performs.

Still, it's not a panty fighter, just the most Japanese big budget game ever conceived.

It's an idol rpg where you use the power of "Performa" to summon overdesigned versions of Fire Emblem characters and the cast breaks out into singing on their way to a boss fight that consisted of forty-five minutes of repeating the exact same attacks to kill endless adds that are refreshed every turn and whittle down the boss. Also managed to sell less than 30k in japan in its opening month.

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I am pretty sure Fire Emblem is still quite aways away from turning into a panty fighter. Fanservice would have to be the main selling point in the first thing in a long list of things it'd have to do

Having six flavors of incest and petting your officers til they moan isn't fanservice being put on high priority?

 

[Loop Stricken]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

I would have liked this to remain, frankly. With how much they're removing, and the fact that they split it into three damn games, I might just not bother with it at all.

 

[Piecewise]

People who preferred Fire Emblem when it wasn't hanky panky panty fanservice? I mean, when you have Fire Emblem and you add hanky panky panty fanservice you have Fire Emblem+HPPF. When you take Fire Emblem+HPPF and remove the HPPF you have Fire Emblem.

The same people who preferred FE back when its sales were steadily decreasing due to people losing interest. The same people who kept whining about changes every entry since the series came to America with Blazing Sword and could never properly articulate their arguments thus leading to mass miscommunication. The same people who claim the supports of Awakening were stupid when in fact supports had been around since Seisen no Keifu way back in 1996 and have been loved by the fandom at large (the exclusion of them being a major criticism leveled against Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon) as well as being just as silly most of the time.

Seriously, let's not pretend that the so-called "true" FE fans are even a significant minority; the grand majority of fans are not over at Serenes Forest or Gamefaqs, they're mostly just playing their games and having fun, including with the relationship values because they have better things to do with their time. Seriously, if the "true" FE fans wanna leave, go ahead, they won't be missed. If anything the series is in for a major pruning as is the case with long-running franchises where cantankerous sub-sets have been allowed to fester. Best to move on and get new people on board lest the series vanish up its ass.

Weebs like the two of us don't define the series either. It also includes guys like my dad who just like strategy games and kids who just like swords and shit. Further, as someone who does follow a lot of Japanese entertainment, I am never really pleased when anything starts down the Otaku pandering road. That's rarely a good road for media very clearly made to have a relatively low barrier to entry and a wide appeal to take.

As much as I tend to hate weeb pandering shit (I like anime, but trend of pandering to otaku sensibilities creates really shitty waifu garbage which is infuriating to watch) I still would rather them put it in the game and then have the game fail because of it. Let the market decide, not just which group can scream the loudest. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And if people like you are a significant portion of the market, then the devs will have no choice but to change in order to remain economically viable. And if it doesn't significantly impact anything then I guess you aren't their demographic and you should look elsewhere for entertainment.

I just don't like this idea of calling for the removal of things just because some people don't like them. I don't like gay porn but I'm not petitioning for it to be banned. I'm not into mmos, but I don't write angry letters demanding that they include action elements for me. And thats exactly what this strikes me as.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

I am glad to know that I now live in a world where a localization of a strategy game marketed for kids lives or dies based on its waifu petting mini-game. Wake me up when we get past the Rob Liefield stage and the industry's dead.

The game is CERO 15+ in Japan. Will be T in the US and 14-16+ in the EU. And it would keep the same ratnig even if it kept this minigame and the intentionally misinterpreted "conversion" scene. So no, it's not a game for kids. I don't get why people on this site who don't play the game feel the need to butt in with their uneducated opinion when they clearly don't know who the game is even aimed at. FE was never, absolutely never a kids game. The fact that you kill as many people as you do in your average CoD campaign makes it already not kids friendly. It always tackled on heavy themes on the side and never had gameplay easy enough to be a kids game.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

But if you hold your tounge and happen to be part of the core audience. Then the game doesn't do well, and may either not get another release or makes even more drastic changes to accomodate the small handful that did buy it, thus diverging from what the bigger audience wanted.

Or in other words, make complaints and praises known. Make sure to be specific. Then it's up to the company to decide, like always, and they have more information to do so.

 

[Piecewise]

The thing thats always been weird to me is the way this entire thing resembles the whole Jack Thompson "video games cause violence" argument. Except it's the "Video games cause sexism" argument. And for some reason people who rejected the first one are eating up the second one.

Yes, for some reason people think "violence" and "sexism" are different and that just because Jack Thompson's ridiculous nonsense about video games turning children into mass murderers wasn't convincing, the current arguments about sexist media reinforcing sexist attitudes already found in society aren't inherently unconvincing as well. I can't put my finger on why there's such a difference, but it's there. I can feel it, all the way down to my totally-not-a-real-gamer bones.

They're the same argument. Break them down and it's just "Video games depicting X promote Y in real life".

And is it possible that something in media could reinforce preconceived notions and cause them to become more extreme? Sure. But why do people deny this is at all possible with violence and yet act like it's an inescapable consequence with sexism?

And why should we censor things that MIGHT cause problems in some particularly impressionable people? I mean, I can horribly murder people in all kinds of ways and remain a completely rational human being. What makes people think that a female character having a bit part in a video game is gonna make me chain my wife to the stove and force her to make sandwiches all day?

Both arguments are based on a pathos studded argument of possible evils that might occur if something happens.

Oh no, princess peach exists as nothing but a goal! I guess women shouldn't have the right to vote anymore!

 

[Piecewise]

But if you hold your tounge and happen to be part of the core audience. Then the game doesn't do well, and may either not get another release or makes even more drastic changes to accomodate the small handful that did buy it, thus diverging from what the bigger audience wanted.

Or in other words, make complaints and praises known. Make sure to be specific. Then it's up to the company to decide, like always, and they have more information to do so.

The problem with that argument is that it unfortunately devolves into a shouting match. The praises or criticisms that get shouted the loudest are the ones that get heard while all others are ignored. And it also means that you end up following marketing trends and what is popular at the moment rather than creating the game you want to.

And that kind of thing is what gets you the Xcom shooter.