Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

[OldNewNewOld]

Do you want me to go get a photo? I'll go get a photo. Don't fucking test me. I'd expect you to read my other posts in this thread where I include some pretty trivial information on this series.

Yeah, except that Nick and Cartoon Network were basically the only place they played, and it was pretty damn constant.

Teen rated games aren't generally all that kid-unfriendly. Sonic games get pegged with teen ratings at this point. Smash Bros, Paper Mario TTYD, the list goes on.

Yeah, but it also has the lowest barrier to entry of any Fire Emblem. Actually, come to think of it, none of the characters in it were in smash until years after Awakening had already passed a million copies.

No Fire Emblem is successful compared to Awakening, but PoR was pretty successful for a GameCube SRPG. And it definitely wasn't advertised in smash bros, melee came out years earlier with Marth and Roy and Brawl came out years later on another console.

Dude, it's not some super mature series. Some of the characters have some depth and complexity, but most of them are just fun or interesting and over the top. And note that I did say marketed for kids. The game is made with them in mind.

No, I don't want a photo. I was talking about your first post. I couldn't take it serious the way it was written. If you say you're a fan, I believe you.

When i said it was advertised in Smash, I was talking about the IP. Most people never actually heard about Fire Emblem until Roy and Marth and that was an ad on its own. A huge one at that. It popularized RoP and RD. Because of that it indirectly advertised Awakening. If not for Smash, the GC and Wii game would go unnoticed, it's questionable if Awakening would have sold as much as it did. So Smash was a pretty big advert for the game.

I never said the game can't be played by kids. I said it's not a kids game. It's aimed at a slightly older audience, but can be enjoyed by younger and by a lot older people. However saying that it's good that they removed patting because "think of the children" is in no way a good thing. People are calling FE a kids game when they are defending the things being removed.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

They removed one stupid mini-game and one scene.

How would you feel if Triple Triad was removed from Final Fantasy 8? Or Tetra Master from Final Fantasy 9? Or Blitzball from Final Fantasy 10?

I would be mad. Like seriously. Mini-games has been part of games since forever. I like to find them, I like to play them. They add variety to the gameplay even if it doesn't really mean anything. they are just FUN. So yes, having mini-games removed IS a big thing for some people.

Well I haven't played any of those games, but I seem to recall that most people I know who have despised all of those (Minus FF 9 don't know anyone who played that). Blitzball in particular seems to be loathed by many due to how bullshit it is.

Well, I love all of them. Heck, I usually like all the mini games any game throws at me. Just make it optional if possible.

Actually let's be honest. This is barely a mini-game. Blitzball and Triple Triad had structure, challenges and depth.

I don't care about that. Mini-game is a mini-game. It doesn't need to have depth or challenge to be fun.

This is just rubbing the character until you can move forward in your relationship with them. There's nothing to it and it seems like the only purpose of it is to waste the player's time when they're trying to get to A or S rank.

Seems fun. You can see the characters reactions so there is that.

This is like complaining that the hacking mini-game got removed from Bioshock 1. If it's annoying and gets in the way of what the player is actually there for, the game could actually benefit from it. Hell, they did take it out in Bioshock 2 and replaced it with simple QTEs, something everyone, even Yahtzee who hates Bioshock 2 and QTEs, thought was an improvement.

Then I might be the only one in the world who actually liked the mini-game in Bioshock 1. I would even love to see MORE mini-games in todays videogames. Developers has been doing them less and less in recent years.

 

[wulf3n]

you can break it down to something, namely "media can affect people" which has become some radical proposition for some people.

That's oversimplifying the issue, besides no one's saying media can't affect people. Play a game, it makes you happy that's media affecting you, I doubt many would disagree with that.

No what people are pointing out is that both arguments are fundamentally "Media negatively affects societal attitudes".

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Do you want me to go get a photo? I'll go get a photo. Don't fucking test me. I'd expect you to read my other posts in this thread where I include some pretty trivial information on this series.

Yeah, except that Nick and Cartoon Network were basically the only place they played, and it was pretty damn constant.

Teen rated games aren't generally all that kid-unfriendly. Sonic games get pegged with teen ratings at this point. Smash Bros, Paper Mario TTYD, the list goes on.

Yeah, but it also has the lowest barrier to entry of any Fire Emblem. Actually, come to think of it, none of the characters in it were in smash until years after Awakening had already passed a million copies.

No Fire Emblem is successful compared to Awakening, but PoR was pretty successful for a GameCube SRPG. And it definitely wasn't advertised in smash bros, melee came out years earlier with Marth and Roy and Brawl came out years later on another console.

Dude, it's not some super mature series. Some of the characters have some depth and complexity, but most of them are just fun or interesting and over the top. And note that I did say marketed for kids. The game is made with them in mind.

No, I don't want a photo. I was talking about your first post. I couldn't take it serious the way it was written. If you say you're a fan, I believe you.

When i said it was advertised in Smash, I was talking about the IP. Most people never actually heard about Fire Emblem until Roy and Marth and that was an ad on its own. A huge one at that. It popularized RoP and RD. Because of that it indirectly advertised Awakening. If not for Smash, the GC and Wii game would go unnoticed, it's questionable if Awakening would have sold as much as it did. So Smash was a pretty big advert for the game.

I never said the game can't be played by kids. I said it's not a kids game. It's aimed at a slightly older audience, but can be enjoyed by younger and by a lot older people. However saying that it's good that they removed patting because "think of the children" is in no way a good thing. People are calling FE a kids game when they are defending the things being removed.

Here's the thing, FE is a game for kids. They are a major part of the game's audience. Nintendo has made a decision based on that, hardly any different than the many similar decisions they have been making for the past decade or so with this series (like when they changed all the swear words to "blast" in PoR). It is Nintendo's aim to make this game for kids, and removing this is part of them doing so. It is not some kind of "think of the children" moral panic.

 

[NPC009]

Do you want me to go get a photo? I'll go get a photo. Don't fucking test me. I'd expect you to read my other posts in this thread where I include some pretty trivial information on this series.

Yeah, except that Nick and Cartoon Network were basically the only place they played, and it was pretty damn constant.

Teen rated games aren't generally all that kid-unfriendly. Sonic games get pegged with teen ratings at this point. Smash Bros, Paper Mario TTYD, the list goes on.

Yeah, but it also has the lowest barrier to entry of any Fire Emblem. Actually, come to think of it, none of the characters in it were in smash until years after Awakening had already passed a million copies.

No Fire Emblem is successful compared to Awakening, but PoR was pretty successful for a GameCube SRPG. And it definitely wasn't advertised in smash bros, melee came out years earlier with Marth and Roy and Brawl came out years later on another console.

Dude, it's not some super mature series. Some of the characters have some depth and complexity, but most of them are just fun or interesting and over the top. And note that I did say marketed for kids. The game is made with them in mind.

Mind if I back you up?

First of all, yep, T basically means stuff like fantasy violence, references to alcohol and maybe a naughty joke or two (that may very well fly over the heads of younger players). Even some of the darkest Fire Emblems could be played by children, because they're never explicit. Yes, people die, but in abstract ways. The reason deaths have any impact is because you like the characters (or their stats), not because the deaths are gruesome.

And Smash promoting Fire Emblem, sure, in the first game's case. But even then they didn't bring over the one with a Smash character in it, so, eh, yeah. What Smash did was show people Nintendo had a whole other series many gamers didn't even know about, leading to Nintendo testing the waters with Fire Emblem 7. Most games didn't do too badly and they were all fairly well recieved by critics. The series stumbled in both east and west with Shadow Dragon and its sequel, which just looked drab and unappealing compared to the more colourfull 7-10. The game sdid sell fairly well compared to console titles, but considering how well the DS sold in Japan... (I did like the gameplay, though. I replayed the game twice times and even made a team to use for online play.)

 

[Erttheking]

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Apparently Nintendo doesn't really see the point of including something in its game if it feels like the majority of its audience doesn't seem interested in it. Frankly I don't blame them.

What's fun about rubbing someone's face until the plot can progress? It's basically just wrist exercise.

There doesn't seem to be much variety in ways of reaction. Just the same recycled one. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Probably because most of the time they tend to be undercooked and not really add anything, when they just don't get in the way.

 

[RaikuFA]

I am glad to know that I now live in a world where a localization of a strategy game marketed for kids lives or dies based on its waifu petting mini-game. Wake me up when we get past the Rob Liefield stage and the industry's dead.

The game is CERO 15+ in Japan. Will be T in the US and 14-16+ in the EU. And it would keep the same ratnig even if it kept this minigame and the intentionally misinterpreted "conversion" scene. So no, it's not a game for kids. I don't get why people on this site who don't play the game feel the need to butt in with their uneducated opinion when they clearly don't know who the game is even aimed at. FE was never, absolutely never a kids game. The fact that you kill as many people as you do in your average CoD campaign makes it already not kids friendly. It always tackled on heavy themes on the side and never had gameplay easy enough to be a kids game.

Don't play the game? DON'T PLAY THE GAME?!? I HAVE A METAL PLAQUE OF IKE ON MY DAMN WALL!

The violence in it is always super cartoony. Spunk-Gargle weewee this is not. And sure, it was never "absolutely" a kids game, buts it's still a series which runs daytime ads on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon. At least that's where I first saw them. When I was 12. And the reason that PoR and Awakening were successful was partially because they were easy enough to be kids games. Unless you try to do everything and have everyone survive, easy mode on both of these games is kinda hard to screw up, and in Awakening you have battle saves and you can disable perma death.

Sorry but it's hard to take someone seriously when he claims he plays a game but then claims the game is a kids game despite not being one. I've seen CoD ads play between cartoons, so that means little.
Awakening is, just looked it up, T in the US and 12+ in EU. Slightly less than I assumed Fate will be, but it's still not a kids game. I don't think that petting someone's head is too perverted or whatever for teenager. Hell, the way it's made it's even okay for kids since you literally pet them over the head and that's it. Don't know about the Japanese dialog, so maybe a change or two would be needed there, but that's all.

Awakening was successful because it was heavily advertised and because of Smash.
PoR wasn't even really successful compared to Awakening. It sold as much as Radiant Dawn. Both which were indirectly advertised in Smash. Previously the games weren't even advertised in the west, so there is really no wonder that Awakening sold better than the rest.

Can it be played by kids? Yes. But it's far from being a kids game.

Do you want me to go get a photo? I'll go get a photo. Don't fucking test me. I'd expect you to read my other posts in this thread where I include some pretty trivial information on this series.

Yeah, except that Nick and Cartoon Network were basically the only place they played, and it was pretty damn constant.

Teen rated games aren't generally all that kid-unfriendly. Sonic games get pegged with teen ratings at this point. Smash Bros, Paper Mario TTYD, the list goes on.

Yeah, but it also has the lowest barrier to entry of any Fire Emblem. Actually, come to think of it, none of the characters in it were in smash until years after Awakening had already passed a million copies.

No Fire Emblem is successful compared to Awakening, but PoR was pretty successful for a GameCube SRPG. And it definitely wasn't advertised in smash bros, melee came out years earlier with Marth and Roy and Brawl came out years later on another console.

Dude, it's not some super mature series. Some of the characters have some depth and complexity, but most of them are just fun or interesting and over the top. And note that I did say marketed for kids. The game is made with them in mind.

I remember seeing some ads on Comedy Central for Awakening. That and Ion television were the only things I watched back when it came out. I think Ninty cast a wide net with the ads.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I am glad to know that I now live in a world where a localization of a strategy game marketed for kids lives or dies based on its waifu petting mini-game. Wake me up when we get past the Rob Liefield stage and the industry's dead.

The game is CERO 15+ in Japan. Will be T in the US and 14-16+ in the EU. And it would keep the same ratnig even if it kept this minigame and the intentionally misinterpreted "conversion" scene. So no, it's not a game for kids. I don't get why people on this site who don't play the game feel the need to butt in with their uneducated opinion when they clearly don't know who the game is even aimed at. FE was never, absolutely never a kids game. The fact that you kill as many people as you do in your average CoD campaign makes it already not kids friendly. It always tackled on heavy themes on the side and never had gameplay easy enough to be a kids game.

Don't play the game? DON'T PLAY THE GAME?!? I HAVE A METAL PLAQUE OF IKE ON MY DAMN WALL!

The violence in it is always super cartoony. Spunk-Gargle weewee this is not. And sure, it was never "absolutely" a kids game, buts it's still a series which runs daytime ads on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon. At least that's where I first saw them. When I was 12. And the reason that PoR and Awakening were successful was partially because they were easy enough to be kids games. Unless you try to do everything and have everyone survive, easy mode on both of these games is kinda hard to screw up, and in Awakening you have battle saves and you can disable perma death.

Sorry but it's hard to take someone seriously when he claims he plays a game but then claims the game is a kids game despite not being one. I've seen CoD ads play between cartoons, so that means little.
Awakening is, just looked it up, T in the US and 12+ in EU. Slightly less than I assumed Fate will be, but it's still not a kids game. I don't think that petting someone's head is too perverted or whatever for teenager. Hell, the way it's made it's even okay for kids since you literally pet them over the head and that's it. Don't know about the Japanese dialog, so maybe a change or two would be needed there, but that's all.

Awakening was successful because it was heavily advertised and because of Smash.
PoR wasn't even really successful compared to Awakening. It sold as much as Radiant Dawn. Both which were indirectly advertised in Smash. Previously the games weren't even advertised in the west, so there is really no wonder that Awakening sold better than the rest.

Can it be played by kids? Yes. But it's far from being a kids game.

Do you want me to go get a photo? I'll go get a photo. Don't fucking test me. I'd expect you to read my other posts in this thread where I include some pretty trivial information on this series.

Yeah, except that Nick and Cartoon Network were basically the only place they played, and it was pretty damn constant.

Teen rated games aren't generally all that kid-unfriendly. Sonic games get pegged with teen ratings at this point. Smash Bros, Paper Mario TTYD, the list goes on.

Yeah, but it also has the lowest barrier to entry of any Fire Emblem. Actually, come to think of it, none of the characters in it were in smash until years after Awakening had already passed a million copies.

No Fire Emblem is successful compared to Awakening, but PoR was pretty successful for a GameCube SRPG. And it definitely wasn't advertised in smash bros, melee came out years earlier with Marth and Roy and Brawl came out years later on another console.

Dude, it's not some super mature series. Some of the characters have some depth and complexity, but most of them are just fun or interesting and over the top. And note that I did say marketed for kids. The game is made with them in mind.

I remember seeing some ads on Comedy Central for Awakening. That and Ion television were the only things I watched back when it came out. I think Ninty cast a wide net with the ads.

...for Awakening. You realize that Awakening had already destroyed their expectations for total sales before they even began to localize it? I think they had a bit more faith in it than most games.

 

[Redd the Sock]

Man, conflicting emotions.

One the one hand, I fucking hate this style of mini game. I hated it in Pokemon. I hated it the Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance. I hate in even in a fanservice game like Moe Chronicle. It's always felt like a lame effort to make sure the touch screen is used and progresses at a snail's pace.

On the other hand I've never liked localization edits. I mean, it's usually benign, but I've never gotten how calling Holy White (Final Fantasy 2 SNES) or letting pokemon characters eat non American food was going to chase people off. Then in anime, it's led to lost episodes, really stupid ideas like DBZ characters being sent to another dimension instead of dying, and fighting the Home for Infinite Losers instead of Hell, up to the more serious regenderification of Sailor Moon villains, redefining the relationship between Neptune and Uranus, and nearly half of Card Captor Sakura left out of the version "Cardcaptors", so that the male side character Syaoran would seem more prominent and it would look less like a girl's show. Those last few in particular left "localization" to me as a term used to mean "hide certain ideas from people afraid of a different culture and different standards." The political sides may have changed, but the lines are the same: too Japanese (which sounds very racist BTW), gross and inappropriate, think of the children, we have to change it so Americans will buy it, etc. etc. etc.

In the end, I'm more on the "hates localization" side as writing that reminds me that I could have avoided the mini game, but these changes has and continues to remove the option for me to chose for myself. I can't imagine these kind of changes are made happily, rather creators are grumbling "damn Americans" as they have to decide change it or lose the market.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

What's fun about rubbing someone's face until the plot can progress? It's basically just wrist exercise.

Because I'd like to see the reactions of all the characters? You don't need to like it but some people will. It's hardly a reason to remove it. For example, I didn't like FFX-2's Sphere Break but I still wouldn't want it removed.

There doesn't seem to be much variety in ways of reaction. Just the same recycled one. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I will see for myself once I get the game. Oh wait, I can't because it won't be in the game. Damn.

 

[Silverspetz]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

It is pointless because there is absolutely no reason to tie the relationship mechanic to such a minigame. It is woefully out of place here. It is creepy because playing around with characters faces just to see them blush is fetishistic and CREEPY.

Some people would have liked it, many more found it pointless or off-putting. Whether or not it "should" be removed is rather irrelevant. The point is that people keep treating this as some conspiracy against free speech when really it is just marketing.

 

[Piecewise]

From what I've seen all people have done is criticize media and ask that content creators think about what they're making in an effort to maybe avoid sexist depictions and connotations that they didn't intend. No one's censoring anything unless you use the incredibly warped definition of the term that applies to literally any reaction to content that isn't glowing praise.

"ask that content creators think about what they're making"

"No one's censoring anything"

Nah, they're just screaming hyperbolic accusations at people until things change to suit them.

Yes, if you take away everything that makes them different they're exactly the same.

What makes them different? Both are making claims that consuming a media product with a specific idea or message in it will cause people to act differently. It will affect their idea of what is acceptable behavior and they will begin acting within the constraints set up as acceptable by the game. Ie, it's ok to kill people or that women are marginalized or treated as objects.

Now, you keep saying that it's completely different and that there are things that make this argument in relation to sexism more acceptable. Can you tell me what those things are?

 

[Piecewise]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

It is pointless because there is absolutely no reason to tie the relationship mechanic to such a minigame. It is woefully out of place here. It is creepy because playing around with characters faces just to see them blush is fetishistic and CREEPY.

Some people would have liked it, many more found it pointless or off-putting. Whether or not it "should" be removed is rather irrelevant. The point is that people keep treating this as some conspiracy against free speech when really it is just marketing.

"I dislike it and find it creepy. I don't want it ruining things I enjoy"

I think this is the same argument people made to try and stop gay marriage.

Not trying to compare the two in terms of merit, but the point is that just because you dislike something, thats not a very good argument for forcing the thing not to exist.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

It is pointless because there is absolutely no reason to tie the relationship mechanic to such a minigame. It is woefully out of place here. It is creepy because playing around with characters faces just to see them blush is fetishistic and CREEPY.

Some people would have liked it, many more found it pointless or off-putting. Whether or not it "should" be removed is rather irrelevant. The point is that people keep treating this as some conspiracy against free speech when really it is just marketing.

"I dislike it and find it creepy. I don't want it ruining things I enjoy"

I think this is the same argument people made to try and stop gay marriage.

It's also used as an argument about getting Gak on the carpet, what's your point?

 

[Erttheking]

What's fun about rubbing someone's face until the plot can progress? It's basically just wrist exercise.

Because I'd like to see the reactions of all the characters? You don't need to like it but some people will. It's hardly a reason to remove it. For example, I didn't like FFX-2's Sphere Break but I still wouldn't want it removed.

There doesn't seem to be much variety in ways of reaction. Just the same recycled one. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I will see for myself once I get the game. Oh wait, I can't because it won't be in the game. Damn.

I guess googling to see their reactions online is out of the question? Anyway I didn't hear anything that implied there was anything different about the reactions. The whole thing just seemed like shallow pandering to people who like skinship. Nothing more. No character building, no enjoyable gameplay.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

It is pointless because there is absolutely no reason to tie the relationship mechanic to such a minigame. It is woefully out of place here.

Huh, to me it feels like natural thing to expand on. Awakening already had pretty nice affinity system. Might as well go one step forward and include this.

It is creepy because playing around with characters faces just to see them blush is fetishistic and CREEPY.

And WHY exactly are they fetishistic and creepy? Have you never patted someone on their head?

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

And yet they left explicit unchecked petting completely untouched in nintendogs? Sick filth.

 

[wulf3n]

Apparently Nintendo doesn't really see the point of including something in its game if it feels like the majority of its audience doesn't seem interested in it. Frankly I don't blame them.

You mean the same reason that most AAA publishers use to not have female or non-white protagonists?

 

[Silverspetz]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

It is pointless because there is absolutely no reason to tie the relationship mechanic to such a minigame. It is woefully out of place here. It is creepy because playing around with characters faces just to see them blush is fetishistic and CREEPY.

Some people would have liked it, many more found it pointless or off-putting. Whether or not it "should" be removed is rather irrelevant. The point is that people keep treating this as some conspiracy against free speech when really it is just marketing.

"I dislike it and find it creepy. I don't want it ruining things I enjoy"

I think this is the same argument people made to try and stop gay marriage.

Not trying to compare the two in terms of merit, but the point is that just because you dislike something, thats not a very good argument for forcing the thing not to exist.

Yeah, still missing the point if you think anyone ever said "this can't be allowed to exist" as opposed to "I won't be interested in this".