First Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Details Leaked

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ThreeKneeNick

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Nooo, not less skills :S I thought Oblivion was pushing it. What could you possibly remove? Maybe some of the useless magic schools...

And, if you read Yahtzee's article about choice and epic mickey before this like i did, the dynamic quest thing won't sound that exciting.

The rest of it sounds awesome, can't wait.
 

MassiveGeek

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I didn't like Oblivion, and didn't try any of the ones before it, but I do love Fallout 3 with all my heart.

I'm looking foward to this game. Maybe it'll be a shining star on my shelf eventually.
 

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(OK, this is going to be a long one. If you're interested, buckle up.)

Well the levelling needed some massive changes. And I like most of the changes. But what about the worst part of the whole thing, the random encounters?

"Ooh, this is lovely countryside. So much to gather! So much to explore! Dammit, I'm being attacked by a wolf. Ok, it's dead. Let's explore some more... damn, another wolf. WHAT THE HELL AM I, BLOODY PEST CONTROL?!?!!"

Get rid of random encounters. Replace them with specific areas or settlements where you can meet enemies of certain strengths, REGARDLESS of your levelling. In other words, if you wander into "The Cave of Nasty Little Lurking Goblins", expect to collect a few goblin skulls. If you happen upon "The Forest of Massive Minotaurs Wielding Iron Dildos of Death", you better be ready for a BIG fight. If, on the other hand, you want to go to "The Lake of Serene Beauty With Loads of Tasty Stuff to Gather For Alchemy", you can do that without being attacked by freaking wolves every two seconds. Sorted!

Plus the roads should be safer than the middle of the dark wood (obviously). But not too safe. There could still be "ambush spots" - again, specific areas where you MAY be attacked, that the locals might warn you about. Enemies could act more intelligently, waiting in cover until you reach a certain point, depending on the enemy type. They might attack a lone player but not when a guard is within sight.

And getting past them would require STRATEGY. Not just happening on one of a dozen monstrosities that all attack on sight anyway. Enemies might have different tactics, different levels of intelligence. Some ambush, some attack on sight. Some might be persuaded to negotiate to a non-violent solution. Some only fight to the end, but are easier to evade, etc. It might be better to pay off a big group of bandits using a bartering skill than try to outfight them using a combat one.

There should be alternatives to combat, but when combat is used, it should require strategy - sometimes it would be better to sit back and snipe with magic / ranged weapons, at other times you'd want to rush in using the element of surprise. And why is combat always the most important skill anyway? Sure, there'd be times when you'd HAVE to use it. But there should be alternatives for most encounters.

And the same might apply to NPC allies. "Oblivion"'s NPCs were annoying because they would always spoil any stealth or magic attacks by just running in and slashing at the nearest enemy. And if they happened to die but were mission-essential... well, let's just say, it wasn't much fun. What if you can order the NPC with a bow to only use ranged attacks, or concentrate on using specific magic types - for example, long-range attacks, conjuration, or healing/strengthening of companions? What if you could order a warrior NPC to act as "rearguard" and keep the other NPCs safe or watch your back?

Seriously... no wolves. No bloatflies. No radscorpions. No wild boars. And ESPECIALLY no giant rats. Let's get rid of random encounters, once and for all. They're not hard. They're not satisfying. They're not fun. They're a huge waste of time and energy. NOBODY wants to do them. There's enough to do in "Oblivion" without them, and I don't doubt the same will be true of Skyrim. So why include them?

Oh, and how about making the characters in the nearby settlements give the player information about what to expect? So the whole exploration thing becomes a little more structured - less "wander all over the countryside meeting the same enemy every few yards" and more "scout at the local inn to find out what kind of hulking monstorosity awaits in the valley past the next hill".

Oh... and if you clear a place, it stays clear for a decent amount of time. (So you don't clear a place of bandits, sleep at the inn, come back and find it full of bandits again.) Maybe, by clearing out a particular habitat, you can suggest at nearby settlements that friendly people set up settlements there. So instead of bandits, you meet friendlies. But then, after a set amount of time, they could be raided, pushed out, and replaced by monsters again.

Hell, maybe there could be dialogue about this specific outcome at the nearby settlements after a certain amount of time. Maybe you could actually tell people what you'd done rather than having to respond to their cues every time (eg "I took out the goblins in Hunters Wood earlier on, you guys want to go see if you can set up shop over there?") I mean, what's the point in speechcraft or negotiation skills if you can't use them to convince people to follow you or act in ways that are best for you or themselves? The player should be able to change his surroundings for the better, have an effect on the world he's playing in.

Oh, and finally, when you level skills, let's SEE those skills being levelled. Levelling speed makes you faster, acrobatics makes you jump visibly higher. Levelling swordsmanship causes your sword to swing faster so the power stays the same but you get more shots in a shorter amount of time. Levelling blunt weapons makes them swing harder (maybe increase the length of the swing), so you get the same amount of swings but they do visibly more damage and are more likely to stagger your enemies. Weapons do damage - they can cripple and decapitate if used properly. Bows fire arrows faster and, when drawn, the string is visibly further back. Spells are visibly larger and have greater area of effect. Etc, etc.

But the levelling shouldn't be overwhelming. A level 100 swordsman wields his blade one and a half times as fast as a level 20 swordsman, not eighty times as fast. "Levelling" shouldn't be the be-all and end-all of what you can do in the game - it should just be nice to be able to get the extra boost to your skills.

So that's my wishlist for Skyrim.

1) No random encounters - replace them with "set" encounters that are more difficult in wilder areas, like Evergreen Mills from "Fallout 3". Encounters should be large enough that you're forced to use strategy, and most of them should have a non-combat-based solution (eg stealth, negotiation). Once you clear out an area, it stays cleared out for a LONG time, so you don't have to do the same thing over and over again.

2) No levelling enemies. Have harder enemies in the later "quest" stages and in the middle of dark wooded areas, etc. So if you want to wander into those areas at low level, it's your own damn fault. A truly immersive world is one that doesn't SEEM to revolve around one person, the player, within it.

3) Enemies have different tactics other than "attack at range", "attack with magic" or "run and attack". They may run away if wounded, they may be willing to negotiate if faced with a show of strength. A lone wolf won't attack an armoured human being, but it might howl to summon its mates. (Can you imagine how creepy that might be?) Imperceptive or distracted enemies can be evaded with stealth. Enemies might have different levels of vulnerability to different magic or weapons that the player can exploit. Each battle should be tactical. There should be no such thing as repetition.

3) More situational dialogue. You can tell friendly people nearby if you've cleared out a mine or a ruin so they can go in and inhabit it. The player should be able to instigate dialogue, not just respond to topics introduced by others about quests, etc. The player shouldn't be the "chosen one", sent hither and fro at the whims of others to fulfil his inevitable destiny that everybody in the game knows about beforehand. He should be able to genuinely change his surroundings, if not the main storyline. (Actually a many-branched storyline would be fantastic, but it would also be pretty much impossible to pull off.)

4) More control over NPCs. If I want a party consisting of a strong warrior who'll watch my back, a priest who'll focus only on healing, a conjurer who keeps pressure on with summoned creatures and a ranger who attacks at range only, I can have it. If I want my mission-critical companion to stay out of combat and hide while I take on a group of enemies alone, I want to be able to tell them to do THAT as well. It's my damn game!

5) If I level up my skill wielding a sword, it slashes things visibly faster. If I level up my warhammer skill, it wallops things visibly harder. As I level up, I should develop more moves and my combat should have more visible effects. No more fighting plastic mannequins, I want to cripple, main and decapitate. That applies to every skill in the game. Don't just tell me, by way of spreadsheets, that I'm hitting enemies harder, jumping higher, or running faster. Let me see and hear the effects.

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Damn, that was LONG. Hopefully the developers of "The Elder Scrolls 6" read it, it's probably a little too late for "TES5"... I'm tempted to send it to 'em.
 

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hawkeye52 said:
i might have missed something in the article so forgive me if i did but what about the voice acting
They 'hired more voice actors to keep it fresh'.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Can your shield be used as a weapon? If so, I'm going to make the most difficult to damage character EVER.
Maybe you could have a shield in each hand?

That would look ridiculous.

I want to be able to dual wield shields.
 

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Seems like gaining levels will actually be a good thing this time around.
In Oblivion, gaining a level meant stronger enemies.
Eventually, each enemy would be like a mini-boss, which turned really annoying really fast.
 

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Okay, that image worries me. Why? Cause that looks like fucking Gamebryo is being used still, and not idTech 5. Really Bethesda? REALLY?
 

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CitySquirrel said:
I can't wait for this... it looks amazing. Though I remember people criticizing Fallout 3 as Oblivion with guns... will this trigger the hordes complaining about Fallout in fantasy world?
"This is Oblivion with guns with swords"

something like that?
 

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Fewer skills? FOr some reason I find that idea bad at first, but thinking for a moment it's likely something I'd enjoy. I hope we get plenty of weapon types, like a spear or a glaive.
If not I'll settle for...



Bonelord said:
I call duel wielding shields
Damit.
 

Sallix

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My favourite part of the revealed information is that beards are now in the game.
 

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There are 18 total skills, down from 21
What. The. Fuck.

That's an instant no-buy for me. After spending another hundred hours in Oblivion, the skill options in Morrowind became a breath of fresh air. It also means I'm able to reach a higher max level, though that's hardly a selling point on its own.

I'm going to have to see Bethesda pull something amazing out of their ass now in order for me to even care about the game now.

Any before some one whines at me about skills being useless 'n' stuff, I'm just going to say I'm upset about what the removal of skills represents more than how it will affect gameplay. Oblivion's skill set was the bare minimum for me, and gimping it further just shows that they are focusing on other things I don't care about or want to have anything to do with in a $90 game (you know it will cost you that much after DLC).
 

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So, no news on dismemberment of your enemies? I am honestly confused with people these days, you take out a minor thing, like a few skills or an inventory system, and people flip out. I play a game for the story not for the EXTREMELY minor gameplay elements such as the inventory system. 18 skills is still alot, and in Oblivion, most players didn't level anything besides combat skills. They are just catering to the majority.
 

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Xzi said:
Number systems in particular aren't what I'm concerned with, but the fact that they've given up on character planning almost altogether is pretty bad. No classes and no skill limitations at all...meaning that you can just jump right into this and play it through as if it were an FPS. Never stopping even for two seconds to think. And why would you when you don't have to? Too straightforward; too easy.
You say too easy, I say they're just making it possible to build a character that will suit your play style without having to know beforehand how the game plays. On my first play through of Oblivion, I tried to make a stealthy ranger/bard type character. But this left me severely under developed in Endurance and Strength, so by level 10 (which came within 8-9 hours of play thanks to the fact that you had to counter-intuitively leave certain useful skills out of your set of majors in order to level efficiently; I was leveling up every other dungeon and hardly getting any boosts) I was getting my shit wrecked by any given woodland creature. And my high speechcraft ended up being useless since there are maybe a handful of times when there's even a point to persuading someone, and half of those times there's a scripted event that does it for you. Had I not committed (and trust me brother, I spent hours, hours rifling through the manual before settling on a character), I could have just gone a different way. "Character planning" the way you mean it is only really possible using a trust-worthy guide or by playing through multiple times. Maybe it's because I don't care about maximizing stat boosts as much as I care about seducing sexy elves and blackmailing royalty, but I'm just inclined to think that being able to jump in and play however you feel like is a point in a game's favor.

Besides, they're doing a much better job of supporting character planning in the sense that what kind of character you intend to be (a rouge-ish ladies man or a big dumb brute) will allow you to interact with the other characters in the world in a specific way that not any old character could. You can't do a big stealth mission unless you train your stealth skill a little. You can't get lots of help from people if you go around killing everyone you meet. The character planning is still there, you see; it's that it's not just about what specific nasty thing you'll be doing to your enemies. I don't understand where your criticism that it's too "straightforward" comes from at all. There's still no specific required goal (main quest is optional) and there are a million options, none particularly more worthy than the rest. The only thing that's "straighforward" is how to go about doing what it is you want to do, or being what you want to be. And I can't think of any aspect of the game that should be less complex.
 

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Well...
Judging by that screenshot, the new graphics are freaking gorgeous. And the yeti type thing looks bitchin, even if it is a bit toooo similar looking to the balverines from fable. If all the creature designs are that good, Im a happy bunny already xD. Having a sprint function will be nice.
Im not too bothered about the removal of classes, so long as I can still get a level of specialisation that I like. Also having perks on each level up like Fallout will be interesting.
The dual weild system sounds like it has the potential to be abused pretty serisously? What if someone just picks two shields and holds block- Or a torch in both hands Would they still be able to fight? Also, are there still two handed weapons?
New enemy scaling system sounds like it might be a pain. I quite liked the fact that in Oblviion, enemies would always be strong enough to be fairly challenging but not too strong to defeat.
 

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Riveon said:
hawkeye52 said:
i might have missed something in the article so forgive me if i did but what about the voice acting
They 'hired more voice actors to keep it fresh'.
so we can assume 6 or 7 instead of 4 and 1 famous person who gets killed off right at the start then
 

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Is it just me, or does anyone else think the monster in the picture looks like the Uderfreicht Matron from Oblivion?
Or maybe it's just a troll, but that's strange since trolls usually like humid, dark areas.
 

DirgeNovak

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Color me excited. If their new engine isn't as buggy as Oblivion's, we're in for a sweet ride. November 2011 will suck my bank account dry.
 

F-I-D-O

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Looks interesting, still need to get Oblivion...
As has been said above, duel wielding shields could get interesting.