First Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Details Leaked
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Ok, dual wielding is totally awesome, and I can see why they'd like to step away from the traditional class system to keep it fresh. But why only 18 skills? Ever since they cut several skills in Oblivion I've been wanting them to put in some more skills which would allow for greater differentiation. I'm a little disappointed, but I guess I'll have to wait and see before I condemn the game to be dumbed down a bit too much.
Seems I got ninja'd on the same page. Well said, sir. I miss enchantment, almost as much as I miss my spear and the ability to club creatures to death with my staff. I miss Mark, Recall and Levitation the most though.Grouchy Imp said:
Yeah, I remember firing up Oblivion for the first time thinking I'd revive my Skirmisher custom class that fought with a spear in medium armour - I was ssooo wrong! What got me about that was the first armour you see (the Blades' banded mail) is the perfect example of medium armour!Sennz0r said:
And as for the number of times Recall has got me out of tricky situations......
Well if it's Oblivion + Fallout + New Engine, then they'd have to do something terrible in order to screw it up.Cyrin said:
Of course that's also what I thought moving from Morrowind to Oblivion...
So duel system as in I have to use magic in one hand and some kind of melee in the other?
Can't I duel wield swords?
I wanna duel wield shields. Can I do that?
Can't I duel wield swords?
I wanna duel wield shields. Can I do that?
HOLY SHIT YES.
I am saving ALL MY MONEY now. I don't care how much it costs, I'm GETTING this game.
Seriously, I haven't been this excited for a game since... well... since Oblivion.
I am saving ALL MY MONEY now. I don't care how much it costs, I'm GETTING this game.
Seriously, I haven't been this excited for a game since... well... since Oblivion.
Sounds good but... wont this mean you'll have to put your weapons away to cast spells? That would get annoying. Having to equip shield everytime you want to block without your wrists being snapped like rotten bamboo. However, two spells at once. Dual wielding daggers. Two things I wanted. Can't complain.
yay......wait, quickly define weapon creation? Are we talking like the boring Shivering Isles weapon creation?
While the number of skills may have decreased in TES V the addition of perks may counter this in terms of character customization - it may even supersede it.Grouchy Imp said:
In Morrowind and Oblivion I found that characters with similar skills tended to play the same, especially at higher levels. This was less of an issue with Daggerfall thanks to the special abilities that you could select with classes - they had a pronounced affect on how you played so you could have two characters with similar skills and very different special abilities and they'd give you two different experiences. I can't fault Bethesda for replacing class special abilities with birthsigns, the Daggerfall system was extremely easy to abuse, but I do believe this hurt the customization of the character system.
In Fallout 3 and New Vegas I felt that the perk system improved character customization considerably: two characters with similar skills but different perk selections could play in very different ways. So even if the Skyrim skill selection is simplified compared to Oblivion, and Morrowind, and Daggerfall, the addition of perks may give you a level of character customization we haven't seen since TES II.
SQUEEEE!
Now that's out of the way..
I hope Beth makes the world FEEL big, whether it's big or not. Leading the united armies of Cyrodiil (8 soldiers or thereabouts) into the final battle in Oblivion was just pitiable. Let's hope the engine can render more than 10 people at a time, and get rid of immersion-shattering loading screens every few steps.
I'm not optimistic.
Now that's out of the way..
I hope Beth makes the world FEEL big, whether it's big or not. Leading the united armies of Cyrodiil (8 soldiers or thereabouts) into the final battle in Oblivion was just pitiable. Let's hope the engine can render more than 10 people at a time, and get rid of immersion-shattering loading screens every few steps.
I'm not optimistic.
I share your concern, but do RPG's need to have crap combat mechanics? I'm not sure these are mutually exclusive.Xzi said:
Oh, no doubt. The introduction of perks will allow similarly skilled characters to be very different, but I'm concerned that whittling down the skills to bare minimum is a mistake. Looking at III to IV, the removal of the Spear skill totally removed polearms from the game; the combining of Long Blade and Short Blade to Blade (as if to imply that a short sword is wielded in exactly that same way as a claymore); the removal of the Enchant skill so that custom magic weapons came from altars like ropey magic item dispensers; the removal of the Unarmoured skill so vital to Monks and Agents, increasing their dependence on magical protection - each of these changed gameplay in a way that had nothing to do with character creation options.Hungry Donner said:
My worry is not what we'll lose in character customisation options, it's what the game world will lose in feel and flavour.
Story wise, Morrowind had a better narrative because of it's setting, scale, and focus. Oblivion took place over the entire country of Cryodiil, and had the main character play second string to the Emperor's bastard son and his apotheosis into an Avatar of Akatosh to combat Mehrunes Dagon. You're left at the end of Oblivion going 'Wow, that was cool, too bad I didn't really contribute anything to that final battle between the GODS'. Morrowind took place on Vardenfell, the smaller northern 'island' portion of the country of Morrowind. Here you where the Nerevarine, the reincarnated hero out to stop the Blight that threatens to engulf the island.Stormz said:
Remember, with the 'Tribunal' expansion pack for Morrwind, you do get to kill a God (Almalexia). And the option to go toe-to-toe with another God (Vivec) at any time, and if you where strong enough, you could kill him. Now that is the kind of epic feats that you could build up to in Morrowind, but where severely lacking in Oblivion until the Shivering Isles(and even then, you fight one god to a standstill and theoretically become one yourself).
If they can limit Skyrim's scope, then what they do have will be that much better. They've already confirmed that you'll be playing as the aforementioned Dragonborn, and not one of his lackeys. They said they're ditching the leveled enemies (yay), and adding a perk system (yay). I loved Fallout's Perk system, and always hoped that they'd incorporate the idea in the next Elder Scrolls game. As a mechanic, it allows for really unique character customization with the incorporation of really neat mechanics that are far more in-depth and game changing than Oblivion's version (e.x. every weapon skill unlocks the same 'power' attack at Lv25/50/75/100, regardless of weapon type, pretty vanilla).
Now if the new engine also supports more dynamic quests, and better visuals (especially character animations and dialogue), I'll be happy. You know it's going to be buggy, but it will be patched (and mod community support on PC), and you know they're going to have great DLC for it as well.
I like the fact that there are no classes. Every time I make a character on Morrowind and Oblivion I always want to chose several classes at the same time and I get pissed. This is a lucky break.
