Funny events in anti-woke world

[Gergar12]

I am not a fan of Le Pen, but this couldn't have happened to a better corporate loser like Macron who is losing ground to Le Pen.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

This is literally just completely made up.

Nope there's people on social media celebrating those who fall in who are of a certain political leaning and hoping they die or claiming they're unfairly using up resources and their reasoning being they didn't do the specific things that are being called for (even if they'd still be ill if they'd done it because their illness wasn't Covid 19)

Except a nationalised healthcare system would also be significantly cheaper for those people. As you know, the US spends more per capita (and receives less value for money) for its healthcare system than, say, the UK.

yes it would be, but again linked to the other point when people realise "Them awful Trumpturds" are actually getting healthcare and might now live longer you watch the claims flip.

In a "shadow docket" too, meaning that nobody had to show up and actually argue why the executive branch didn't have this power through the constitution.

They just get to say so. You know, judicial activism, but in a way conservatives like: hurting poor people

But I thought corporate monopolies were good cause it let all companies work together to ban Alex Jones and others all at once.

He's just mad that people like me stopped feeling sympathy for the anti-vax rally organizer and *checks notes* three anti-vax radio hosts that died of Covid 19 this week.

Because so far people haven't bothered actually arguing with them for the most part. Yes some of them are in there deep but the insulting and shaming method was shown to already be ineffective years ago because when people tried to insult and shame people to vote Hillary the World got President Trump.

All you're doing is making it so the only people who talk to the Anti-vaxxer lot are either people already sceptical or concerned (which then gets them fed misinformation and grows that movement) or other Anti-vaxx people.

Yes. They should. Look in the mirror for one such example.

I do, care to tell me when I've not been consistent in my positions?

You'd think that.

Yes cause I'm presently seeing idiots celebrating the death of a 1 year old child because it could mean less Trump voters.
Maybe if people didn't want me to think that then they might want to clean up "their own house" and try to deal with some of the people happily sowing that perception?

But as someone who is and has grown up in said rural communities that you speak of, I can tell you it's not likely. See, people where I live are more worried about trans people using our bathrooms, genderless potato heads and Getting God Back in Schools. You know, the important things.

Yeh exactly it wouldn't be the rural people upset they're getting medical care. Glad you realised what I was saying.

 

[Hades]

I am not a fan of Le Pen, but this couldn't have happened to a better corporate loser like Macron who is losing ground to Le Pen.

I'm not a fan of Macros, but Le Pen winning sounds very dangerous.

 

[Gergar12]

Jimy Clyburn is an anti-Bernie corporate shill who stabbed Bernie in the back in the 2020 primaries alongside neoliberal Obama. And he has the gall to attack progressives AND say he's more progressive than all of the Our Revolution people. Bullshit. He's a goddamn liar who works for big pharma.

 

[Gergar12]

I'm not a fan of Macros, but Le Pen winning sounds very dangerous.

I am not a fan of reactionaries, and fascists, I am just saying Macron is the most neoliberal of all of the heads of state, he deserves this, but I rather the French people not suffer the consequences of his neoliberal incompetence.

 

[Trunkage]

I am not a fan of reactionaries, and fascists, I am just saying Macron is the most neoliberal of all of the heads of state, he deserves this, but I rather the French people not suffer the consequences of his neoliberal incompetence.

See also: the US in 2025.

None of the problems of Obama's reign has been fix. It wont be suprising if a Trumpesque president arrives in 2025

 

[Chimpzy]

I'm not a fan of Macros, but Le Pen winning sounds very dangerous.

That is prudent, considering that if you start looking into the histories of European far right parties and its notable figures you tend to find collaborators, fascists, and the occasional actual nazis. Daddy Jean-Marie Le Pen seems to be a somewhat rare exception tho, I don't know of any direct evidence he was a collaborator, but he is known as a rather staunch defender of the Vichy regime, hung out with collaborateurs, and generally expressed all the same fascist(-adjacent) talking points.

As for Marine Le Pen, she seems less extreme, trying her damnedest to distance herself from all that, even ousting daddy from the party, but I'm not quite convinced. There's been a wave of mostly Western European far right parties rebranding themselves into something more salonfähig, propping up new younger leadership clean of the sordid backgrounds of the old guard. Pay closer attention tho, and they almost invariably retain ties to rather iffy groups and individuals, much like their predecessors, except with maybe one or two extra degrees of separation. Marine Le Pen strikes me as belonging to that new brand of far right, palatable at cursory glance, but imo wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

[Silvanus]

Nope there's people on social media celebrating those who fall in who are of a certain political leaning and hoping they die or claiming they're unfairly using up resources and their reasoning being they didn't do the specific things that are being called for (even if they'd still be ill if they'd done it because their illness wasn't Covid 19)

OK, but you just applied that to people who want socialised healthcare in general.

It's just yet another shitty slur thrown at the left wing in general, which seem to make up about 80% of your posts nowadays.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

OK, but you just applied that to people who want socialised healthcare in general.

It's just yet another shitty slur thrown at the left wing in general, which seem to make up about 80% of your posts nowadays.

The USA is not the UK. If people are (which they are see the woke world thread where I posted this) celebrating the death of a 1 year old baby you can bet they'd hate the idea of people potentially voting for the opposition getting healthcare.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

In some ways obvious. In other ways, still obvious but with a shiny chub of data to back it up.

‘Likes’ and ‘shares’ teach people to express more outrage online

Yale researchers looked at 12.7 million tweets from over seven thousand Twitter users to test whether users expressed more outrage over time, and if so, why.

news.yale.edu

Social media platforms like Twitter amplify expressions of moral outrage over time because users learn such language gets rewarded with an increased number of “likes” and “shares,” a new Yale University study shows.

And these rewards had the greatest influence on users connected with politically moderate networks.

“Social media’s incentives are changing the tone of our political conversations online,” said Yale’s William Brady, a postdoctoral researcher in the Yale Department of Psychology and first author of the study. He led the research with Molly Crockett, an associate professor of psychology at Yale.

The Yale team measured the expression of moral outrage on Twitter during real life controversial events and studied the behaviors of subjects in controlled experiments designed to test whether social media’s algorithms, which reward users for posting popular content, encourage outrage expressions.

“This is the first evidence that some people learn to express more outrage over time because they are rewarded by the basic design of social media,” Brady said.

The study was published Aug. 13 in the journal Science Advances.

Moral outrage can be a strong force for societal good, motivating punishment for moral transgressions, promoting social cooperation, and spurring social change. It also has a dark side, contributing to the harassment of minority groups, the spread of disinformation, and political polarization, researchers said.

Social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter argue that they merely provide a neutral platform for conversations that would otherwise happen elsewhere. But many have speculated that social media amplifies outrage. Hard evidence for this claim was missing, however, because measuring complex social expressions like moral outrage with precision poses a technical challenge, the researchers said.

To compile that evidence, Brady and Crockett assembled a team which built machine learning software capable of tracking moral outrage in Twitter posts. In observational studies of 12.7 million tweets from 7,331 Twitter users, they used the software to test whether users expressed more outrage over time, and if so, why.

The team found that the incentives of social media platforms like Twitter really do change how people post. Users who received more “likes” and “retweets” when they expressed outrage in a tweet were more likely to express outrage in later posts. To back up these findings, the researchers conducted controlled behavioral experiments to demonstrate that being rewarded for expressing outrage caused users to increase their expression of outrage over time.

The results also suggest a troubling link to current debates on social media’s role in political polarization. Brady and his colleagues found that members of politically extreme networks expressed more outrage than members of politically moderate networks. However, members of politically moderate networks were actually more influenced by social rewards.

“Our studies find that people with politically moderate friends and followers are more sensitive to social feedback that reinforces their outrage expressions,” Crockett said. “This suggests a mechanism for how moderate groups can become politically radicalized over time — the rewards of social media create positive feedback loops that exacerbate outrage.”

The study did not aim to say whether amplifying moral outrage is good or bad for society, Crockett stressed. But the findings do have implications for leaders who use the platforms and policy makers who are considering whether to regulate them.

“Amplification of moral outrage is a clear consequence of social media’s business model, which optimizes for user engagement,” Crockett said. “Given that moral outrage plays a crucial role in social and political change, we should be aware that tech companies, through the design of their platforms, have the ability to influence the success or failure of collective movements.”

She added, “Our data show that social media platforms do not merely reflect what is happening in society. Platforms create incentives that change how users react to political events over time.”

Those wishing to learn more about the research and participate in future studies can follow the research team’s account on Twitter: @sms_researchers

 

[Silvanus]

The USA is not the UK. If people are (which they are see the woke world thread where I posted this) celebrating the death of a 1 year old baby you can bet they'd hate the idea of people potentially voting for the opposition getting healthcare.

....none of which reflects badly on unrelated people who want socialised healthcare.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

....none of which reflects badly on unrelated people who want socialised healthcare.

Until some of them have a change of heart.

 

[Silvanus]

Until some of them have a change of heart.

Well, at least you're honest that you're starting from a position of bad faith.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Nope there's people on social media celebrating those who fall in who are of a certain political leaning and hoping they die or claiming they're unfairly using up resources and their reasoning being they didn't do the specific things that are being called for (even if they'd still be ill if they'd done it because their illness wasn't Covid 19)

I've seen that sort of thing on Twitter from right-wing Democratic Party supporters like George Takei because they perfectly combine the moral destitution of modern conservatism with a Democratic tribal identity. His likes and retweets are shitlibs while his replies are largely from the left. By and large you're not seeing people who are serious about wanting M4A creaming their pants over deaths that happen in red states.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I've seen that sort of thing on Twitter from right-wing Democratic Party supporters like George Takei because they perfectly combine the moral destitution of modern conservatism with a Democratic tribal identity. His likes and retweets are shitlibs while his replies are largely from the left. By and large you're not seeing people who are serious about wanting M4A creaming their pants over deaths that happen in red states.

Welcome to what the democratic party has become. Also it's not some right wing of the party pushing this stuff it's been happening for years with those championed as hugely progressive helping do it or be fine with it happening. You can't just shift it to blame the right wing all the time when you have people like AOC trying to seemingly punish the opposition however she can saying they shouldn't be allowed to even hold any power on even commissions related to catering etc

 

[Gergar12]

Interesting article on China

Why is the Communist Party clamping down on China's biggest stars and fan clubs? | CNN

The crackdown came quickly and sweepingly, wiping out some of China's biggest stars and fan clubs in a matter of days.

www.cnn.com

Apparently, they are cracking down on all alternative forms of soft, and hard power in China aside from the CCP., from industry to even popular actors. Granted if they take down a few high-dollar multi-millionaires, and billionaires I am fine with it.

 

[tstorm823]

Apparently, they are cracking down on all alternative forms of soft, and hard power in China aside from the CCP...

And have been for many decades.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

China apparently asking for lists of LGBTQ+ individuals now

Chinese university appears to ask for lists of LGBTQ+ students for ‘investigation’

Survey by Shanghai University that asked colleges to research the political stance and ‘state of mind’ of members of LGBTQ+ communities has sparked alarm

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gergar12]

Great now the DSA is accepting liberals into it.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Edit: I agree with big tents, but my big team is all of the above other than Liberal.

 

[Avnger]

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Great now the DSA is accepting liberals into it.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Considering how the DSA compares to the libertarian and green parties how the lib and green parties compare to the reps and dems for actual policy influence, they should really be happy with all the support they can get.

(This is not a comment on the merits of the policy positions; it's a statement on the ability to enact said policies.)