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Fair point, although not yourselves - given Ireland's unusually business-friendly tax laws, it's mostly exploiting the rest of Europe.
Ah yes. But it also ultimately screws us too. It's not like the tax laws actually benefit the country.

Post colonial mindset. Once the English were gone it was the church, now it's corprorations. Ireland's national motto should be "Yes daddy, spit in my mouth."
 
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I know everyone is super obsessed with the new Trump charges and who flipped and yadda yadda, but lets not forget this little stinger. Just to put a nice bow on it, yes, former corrupt FBI agent Charles McGonigal plead guilty to conspiring with a Russian oligarch to influence the 2016 election in favor of Trump.
Specifically, remember like 10 days before the election the FBI re-opened its investigation into Hilary and her emails? Yeah, that was this guy doing it on the expressed orders of Russia to try to help Trump.


But you know, Trump is such a stand up honest guy, no way he was involved...
 
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Specifically, remember like 10 days before the election the FBI re-opened its investigation into Hilary and her emails? Yeah, that was this guy doing it on the expressed orders of Russia to try to help Trump.
The article did not say this. Where did you get that?
 

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The article did not say this. Where did you get that?
McGonigal was the head of the FBI counter-intelligence office in New York from 2016 to 2018, and he was the guy in 2016 that told then FBI director James Comey that he had new information in the Hilary email story and the case needed to be re-opened.
There was no new information.
 
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Related to how teenagers (and dare I say gamers in particular) are surprisingly easy targets for online extreme-right campaigns.

I'm more worried about the half of adults, personally. A lot of conspiratorial thinking gets defeated by just...being out in the world, and that suggests that even adults don't do that these days. Dunno how, but we have to make people comfortable with the idea that the world is actually really complex and that the number of times you can boil an issue down to a handful of bad guys is almost non-existent
 
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Oh hey, remember when that stunningly handsome SilentPony guy said we can't trust corrupt court officers not to leak the names and addresses of jury members so Trump's goons can kill them?
Yeah...
 
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Related to how teenagers (and dare I say gamers in particular) are surprisingly easy targets for online extreme-right campaigns.

People with low amounts of education and life experience being vulnerable to indoctrination has been a thing for as long as there's been indoctrination.

I'm more worried about the half of adults
Your average person is very insecure; they can't handle uncertainty, and in uncertain times they become terrified and cling to simple "solutions" that promise to make everything better if only the insecure person does a few things (like give a strongman politician unchecked power, or support efforts to exterminate a minority).
 
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I'm more worried about the half of adults, personally. A lot of conspiratorial thinking gets defeated by just...being out in the world, and that suggests that even adults don't do that these days. Dunno how, but we have to make people comfortable with the idea that the world is actually really complex and that the number of times you can boil an issue down to a handful of bad guys is almost non-existent
Hard disagree JFK was murdered by the CIA.
 

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The article did not say this. Where did you get that?
Here's the best article I've got to even somewhat support what SilentPony is saying, though it definitely doesn't do that, cause SilentPony is wrong.

In October of 2016, the FBI raided Democratic politician Anthony Weiner on suspicion of soliciting child pornography (he sexted teenagers). Upon seizing his computer, they happened to find emails between Weiner/his wife and Hillary Clinton, sent from Clinton's controversial email server, which had been deleted off her server before the FBI took possession of that.

The New York office, who allegedly held grudges against Clinton from her time as a New York politician, sent this info to the higher-ups in Washington. You can see the message they sent here:
This is what eventually triggered James Comey's announcement that more had been found about Hillary's emails. Article about that here:

The part where SilentPony is wrong is the timeline. That correspondence was sent on October 3rd. On October 4th, McGonigal was appointed to that post. He could not have instigated that investigation. The link above suggests that maybe he was involved in potential leaks that Comey cites as his reason for going public, but Comey is the one who gave him that position after he had that information, why would he appoint someone he fears would leak to a position at the office he's afraid of leaking?

But just so you know, the other side has their own theories:

And it's a bit more solidly founded. In 2020, during the Senate investigation into Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI investigation into links between Russia and Trump's campaign, Jonathon Moffa who was involved in the investigation (I believe named on the FISA warrant) testified to the Senate staffers that he had received an email from Charles McGonigal "which then served as the basis for the opening of the case". Page 33 here: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Jonathan Moffa Redacted FINAL.pdf

McGonigal was not getting paid to help Trump: he was getting paid to help Russian oligarchs, as stated in the link SilentPony had in post 11,283. He allegedly helped them in two ways. I believe what he plead guilty of is accepting payment from sanctioned Russian figures to try to get them off the sanction list. He has also been accused of using his post in New York to launch FBI investigations into other Russian oligarchs who were rivals of his benefactors.

With that in mind, consider this timeline:
1) July 2016: McGonigal emails info to Moffa which becomes the basis for investigating Trump's campaign.
2) October 3rd: The FBI post in New York finds emails that might be bad news for Clinton's campaign.
3) October 4th: James Comey appoints McGonigal to the New York office, in charge of counterintelligence against Russia.
4) *Sometime in October: The FBI gets a FISA warrant to wiretap Carter Paige, on the basis that he was working with sanctioned Russian oligarchs behind the scenes.
5) 2018: McGonigal is seen doing favors for a Russian oligarch who rivals the one Carter Paige communicated with, and whom was known for extorting and threatening the lives of business rivals.

The * above is one piece of information I cannot find. I do not know what day in October the warrant to tap Carter Paige was requested. But statistically, it probably came after the 4th. And that would certainly fit the pattern. In a way, this actually takes weight away from right-wing conspiracy theories, as the view on the right has been that Carter Paige was targeted by the FBI as a means to get to Trump, and now it very much seems like Trump was actually just collateral damage in a fight between Russian oligarchs where one managed to weaponize the FBI to go after the other.

That being said, the idea that McGonigal sabotaged the 2016 election to favor Trump is pretty laughable given the evidence of his involvement investigating Trump associates as well as the pure anachronism of suggesting he personally reopened the Hillary email controversy.
 

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I still think Lyndon Johnson did it personally.
Eh I always felt like the missing Nixon tapes were them discussing how Nixon had helped plan it. I didn't know this until a few years ago, but apparently the secret service had foiled multiple other assassination attempts on JFK during his nation tour. I think it was in Chicago just the week before they stopped a shooter.
Like if it was just Oswald doing a random thing, a whole bunch of other people also tried to do random assassinations.
 

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Eh I always felt like the missing Nixon tapes were them discussing how Nixon had helped plan it. I didn't know this until a few years ago, but apparently the secret service had foiled multiple other assassination attempts on JFK during his nation tour. I think it was in Chicago just the week before they stopped a shooter.
Like if it was just Oswald doing a random thing, a whole bunch of other people also tried to do random assassinations.
Why would you think Nixon, who didn't even bother running in the next election after, is a more likely culprit than the man who became president the moment Kennedy died, blamed the assassination on communists, and then shortly after used that position to send the US into Vietnam to fight the threat of global communism after years spent rubbing elbows with the defense industry (there are also rumors that say his wife invested much of her inherited wealth in defense manufacturers before that happened)?
 

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Oh hey, remember when that stunningly handsome SilentPony guy said we can't trust corrupt court officers not to leak the names and addresses of jury members so Trump's goons can kill them?
Yeah...
So like, what happens when one is assassinated? Do they just go "oh well, can't be helped" and cancel the trial, or is this one of the situation where they have backup jurist? Anyway, it's a jury, they gathered 12 more or less random people, odds is, one is an hardcore always Trump that could see Trump abort a baby while murdering a young child in front of him and would just go "liberal propaganda! Trump would never do that".
 

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Why would you think Nixon, who didn't even bother running in the next election after, is a more likely culprit than the man who became president the moment Kennedy died, blamed the assassination on communists, and then shortly after used that position to send the US into Vietnam to fight the threat of global communism after years spent rubbing elbows with the defense industry (there are also rumors that say his wife invested much of her inherited wealth in defense manufacturers before that happened)?
Because Nixon was still furious from the debate when Kennedy humiliated Nixon. The 1960 presidential debate and all.
 

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Because Nixon was still furious from the debate when Kennedy humiliated Nixon. The 1960 presidential debate and all.
Humiliated? The only debate popularly decided in Kennedy's favor was the one that Nixon did with an injured leg and no make-up, and people listening to the debate on the radio famously thought Nixon had won, where people watching tv thought he looked weak and sickly compared to Kennedy. Kennedy did nothing to humiliate Nixon, the only person who can take credit for that is Nixon himself.
 

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Humiliated? The only debate popularly decided in Kennedy's favor was the one that Nixon did with an injured leg and no make-up, and people listening to the debate on the radio famously thought Nixon had won, where people watching tv thought he looked weak and sickly compared to Kennedy. Kennedy did nothing to humiliate Nixon, the only person who can take credit for that is Nixon himself.
That debate arguably won Kennedy the election. No way Nixon didn't have a chip on his shoulder over it.
 

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So like, what happens when one is assassinated? Do they just go "oh well, can't be helped" and cancel the trial, or is this one of the situation where they have backup jurist? Anyway, it's a jury, they gathered 12 more or less random people, odds is, one is an hardcore always Trump that could see Trump abort a baby while murdering a young child in front of him and would just go "liberal propaganda! Trump would never do that".
Actually yeah that's probably exactly what will happen. A few jurors, maybe the judge or DA or a member of their families. Kill enough people and Trump gets off free.