Game Devs Vote Baldur's Gate Best Game of All Time
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Thank you, that's exactly what I thought. Some kind of professionals they are... Not to mention that the 'Thief' series is missing, too. I don't see it in the Top 10 but it should definately be in there somewhere.Reptiloid said:
And where are 'Planescape: Torment' and 'Ultima'? And 'Final Fantasy'? Yes, the newer ones suck a little, but there's sooo much more variety in between the installments than in at least 50% of that list.
Whomever made this survey seems to have missed crucial elements of a validity.
COD4 might actually deserve it's place here for how much it redefined the shooter. But Dead Space? Tomb Raider? Bioshock? Come on, people. What did -any- of those redefine, except maybe Tomb Raider redefining video game titties.
To everybody saying, "Why not this game?!?!"
The title of the article is very misleading.
They're voting their favourite games. FAVOURITE. It is not objective. And you will never, ever get a completely objective view of a game. They're not asking "What do you think is the best?" Its opinionated. I'm sure if you went by more technical standards, at the very least the bottom three; Dead Space, Assassin's Creed, and Silent Hill, wouldn't be there. But they're there. Why? Because they're simply the games they're more fond of as developers, and I'm assuming not just because its easy to copy off of them *cough cough* 17 *cough cough*
Saying their choice in games is wrong is like saying that somebody's favourite colour is wrong. The day you can prove to me with scientific fact that my favourite colour is not the best is the day you have to right to tell these developers that they're wrong.
I was surprised not to see KOTOR or Fallout, but really when you look at the list, most of the titles are more recent releases. Over half the list has had a release or will have a release in a one-year period from this date.
If you had to ask which game was more redefining, Bioshock or Dead Space, the answer is clear. But if you asked which one I'd rather play, I'll take Dead Space any day. Some games are just more fun, but it doesn't make them more important. You'd have more fun playing Saints Row 3 than Bioshock, but Bioshock would make a bigger impact on you.
Sometimes, videogames can just be something for entertainment without having a deeper meaning. They can be artistic too, but thats not their primary prerogative.
The title of the article is very misleading.
They're voting their favourite games. FAVOURITE. It is not objective. And you will never, ever get a completely objective view of a game. They're not asking "What do you think is the best?" Its opinionated. I'm sure if you went by more technical standards, at the very least the bottom three; Dead Space, Assassin's Creed, and Silent Hill, wouldn't be there. But they're there. Why? Because they're simply the games they're more fond of as developers, and I'm assuming not just because its easy to copy off of them *cough cough* 17 *cough cough*
Saying their choice in games is wrong is like saying that somebody's favourite colour is wrong. The day you can prove to me with scientific fact that my favourite colour is not the best is the day you have to right to tell these developers that they're wrong.
I was surprised not to see KOTOR or Fallout, but really when you look at the list, most of the titles are more recent releases. Over half the list has had a release or will have a release in a one-year period from this date.
These are not "redefining" games, these are "favourite" games.PrinceOfShapeir said:
If you had to ask which game was more redefining, Bioshock or Dead Space, the answer is clear. But if you asked which one I'd rather play, I'll take Dead Space any day. Some games are just more fun, but it doesn't make them more important. You'd have more fun playing Saints Row 3 than Bioshock, but Bioshock would make a bigger impact on you.
Sometimes, videogames can just be something for entertainment without having a deeper meaning. They can be artistic too, but thats not their primary prerogative.
As much as people like to bash the series, Tomb Raider was damned good for its time and often considered the a peak in terms of gameplay and puzzle design. It's easy to dismiss it as just cheap thrills based on the games protagonist, but it had amazing level design, gameplay, and even graphics for its day. Tomb Raider Anniversary was one of my favourite games of 2007 and the original games were often brilliant even if there was a clear decline in quality over the years.PrinceOfShapeir said:
I call shenanigans, no Half-Life/TF2. Also a bunch of forgotten gems I couldn't be bothered to list.
And what are you? The moderator? Just pointing out you didn't exactly contribute either with that post, dudeHardcore_racist said:
But i'd say pointing out how such a list doesn't really have much point to it at all because people will play the games they like regardless of what others think is a valid point to make here.
These kinds of list are really just for those who are particularily interested in what devs think amongst themselves and really the most you could hope for as a reaction is a "Yeah, that's kinda interesting i suppose". Their favorite games are purely subjective as well so why would their list be news worthy while mine isn't?
You happy now?
Yup, even game devs get it wrong. As others have mentioned there are some dubious entries on that list. I do wonder how many games some Devs actually play, Bioshock but no System Shock 2? Maybe it's a generational thing.
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Two points jump to my attention:
1) Nothing by valve: Designers are filthy liars, since everyone has copied them,
2) No System Shock 2...Ok...wait, Bioshock? FUCKING BIOSHOCK? Seriously. Wait, what the DEADSPACE??
The second-rate console knock-off remakes of a truly great game get a mention, where the original masterpiece does not? No wonder modern games are shit.
It's as if a modern horror director listed the 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake as his main inspiration for getting into the genre...
1) Nothing by valve: Designers are filthy liars, since everyone has copied them,
2) No System Shock 2...Ok...wait, Bioshock? FUCKING BIOSHOCK? Seriously. Wait, what the DEADSPACE??
The second-rate console knock-off remakes of a truly great game get a mention, where the original masterpiece does not? No wonder modern games are shit.
It's as if a modern horror director listed the 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake as his main inspiration for getting into the genre...
So not my words. Loads of people would play TBS if there was someone who would build the bloody game. Civilization for a start. It was originally from people asking why XCOM wasn't TBS.Marik Bentusi said:
Well, in all fairness it's about their view on what the best games are, not necessarily what has affected the industry the most. I, for example, have never enjoyed fighting games, and although I've played the GTA games, they're not in my favourites at all. I'll agree on the Diablo point (purely because I've never played any of them) and the Dead Space one. However, I find a great number of discrepancies within the list. For example, I thought Metal Gear Solid 2 was a VAST improvement over Metal Gear Solid, but it's not even on the list.yourbeliefs said:
AND THAT'S FINE.
Remember that it's all a matter of opinion. My top twenty list would not look anything like this in the slightest, but then I'm sure there are some who did submit a list that would've looked more similar to mine.
Overall, yes, it can the developers trying to advertise and up their own games, but let's not get worked up over something that's hardly an official review of EVERY GAME out there!
Sadly, developers have no say in what games are made. Publishers make that call. And publishers tend to be kind of institutionally married to sales figures.Leftnt Sharpe said:
Butt-kicking! For GOODNESS!
Man, I am glad the Baldur's Gate series was #1 on that list. I played the shit out of it back in the day. I only felt the second game fell down in the female romances department. As a male character, you could have 3 possible romances. As a female character, you could have one: Anomen, the man with the stick jammed into a very inconvenient place in his anatomy. Pfeh. As a female gamer, I felt this was a bad idea. Admittedly, the female romances weren't that great, either... (Aerie the goody-two shoes who was so sugary she could give you diabetes and bad dental hygiene, Jaheira the snooty half-elven druid, and Viconia, the Neutral Evil Drow).
Man, I am glad the Baldur's Gate series was #1 on that list. I played the shit out of it back in the day. I only felt the second game fell down in the female romances department. As a male character, you could have 3 possible romances. As a female character, you could have one: Anomen, the man with the stick jammed into a very inconvenient place in his anatomy. Pfeh. As a female gamer, I felt this was a bad idea. Admittedly, the female romances weren't that great, either... (Aerie the goody-two shoes who was so sugary she could give you diabetes and bad dental hygiene, Jaheira the snooty half-elven druid, and Viconia, the Neutral Evil Drow).
