Game of Thrones - I give up

Senare

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Well my favourite characters are all still alive, and as long as one of my protagonists is left standing there is still a story for me.
And it is nice to see such tragedy without the show having to be "dark and edgy" for some forced ulterior motive (unlike many comics during the 1990's).
 

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The thing I find about Game of Thrones is that the dark and horrible moments like this are what make it truly compelling; not because I enjoy the feeling of despair at a beloved character dying but because it makes the happy moments, the jokes, the moments of solace and each victory feel ten times as good.

When you've been hammered over the head with the fact, that just like real life, a character can die at any moment, even the smallest victory feels like a major triumph because they're still alive. Yes, seeing Robb die was a huge kick in the feels when I read the book, but it makes me all the more glad that Jon Snow escaped the wildlings. Him and the Halfhand were captured by people who wanted nothing more than to see them dead, Jon had to lie and do some pretty awful things to make them trust him enough to keep him alive, all for the scant hope that he could make it back to the Wall to warn the rest of the watch.

The fact that, thus far, he's survived the wildlings, made it back to the right side of the Wall and is finally free of them is a huge accomplishment, and one you can relish all the more for knowing he potentially could have been killed at any point.

The other thing I would say is that George Martin may be cruel but, like fate itself, he is at least fair. Being good does not protect you in this series, but neither does being evil. And just because someone starts opposing the good guys, doesn't mean they're evil themselves.

So stick with it. There's still plenty more to come, and I assure you there's a whole lineup of characters you will come to root for as much, if not more than, the Starks. Nor is the series without its moments of vindication. If you're this affected by things going wrong, you'll really feel it when they start going right.
 

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One of Cracked.com's "Photoplasty" contests was called "If Book's Had Totally Honest Titles" or something like that.

And in it, one entry suggested "Game of Thrones" should be renamed "Yeah, That Guy Dies Too".

George R. R. Martin has always been pretty open about warning his readers not to get too attached to any characters.

In the third book alone, I counted the deaths of four major and three minor characters. So this last episode of the show was no big surprise.

In fact, I was quite curious to see how they'd pull it off., And I think they handled it brilliantly.

Lately though, as I read the books and watch the show, I've been trying to discern if there's some kind of pattern or underlying message around the fatalities.

From what I can see (and this is purely my own speculation/opinion), Martin seems to be suggesting that those who rigidly cling to an ideal or principle, no matter how noble, are destined to suffer for it.

Whereas those who are clever and adaptable seem to come out alright. Not necessarily unscathed, but at least alive.

Examples available upon request...
 

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lSHaDoW-FoXl said:
I wonder how many animals were skinned alive to provide for the fur used in that show. Entertainment > Life
Loads were killed. And I think they even killed a former US President: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117901-George-W-Bushs-Severed-Head-Gets-Game-of-Thrones-Cameo

But, I'll bet none were skinned alive. I've never tried to skin a live animal, but I'm betting it is a ton easier to kill them first and then skin them. They're going to die without their epidermis, so it is probably easier to do that bit first.
 

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omega 616 said:
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Never read the classifieds in a German newspaper, then. The hookers might just offend you with the... details... of their advertising.

I find that part of the series refreshing, honestly. They depict naked people of all sexes and orientations (though the lion's share definitely goes to the ladies gettin' it from the gentlemen, they don't shy away from the gentlemen or their sausages [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1bsh5Ne3yU] givin' it to the ladies or each other). It's just something people do, and there should be no shame or disgust generated so long as it's not happening for real in a crowded public place. I call growing acceptance of this progress.
I think there is a time and place for stuff, I play mass effect for the over arching story and character interactions ... not the close up of Miranda's ass or Jacks starting attire.

If I want to see nudity and fucking I have the internet, home of the blandest to the most extreme porn to the weirdest of fetishes. Crow barring a man on man scene into a medieval drama series is off putting to me.

I do like how America is starting to be ok with nudity on screen, I just don't want to see it ... I'm a complicated dude, okay? Haha.
I think its perfectly justified for you to not like the nudity in it, and I could understand why it would be unapealling to many viewers, but can you at least see why its used?

In the books, nudity is a large plot generator, hell one of the king's councilors got to be Master of Coin by running successful brothels.
Nudity also helps with immersion. In medieval times people were WAY more open with their bodies, and seeing it helps viewers to immerse themselves in the world as a reminder that this isn't a place that we should be used to.
 

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thejboy88 said:
Call me foolish if you wish. Call me hopelessly old-fashioned for wanting things to turn out happy for the heroes and for everything to be okay. But I'm just like that. I want there to be a light at the end of the tunnel in stories like this. And after this, there is no light bright enough to possibly make this dark and bloody tunnel worth passing through.
You seem to forget that there are others.

Arya is still alive; Jon Snow is still alive; Bran and Rick are still very much alive.

Robb, Jeyne and Catelyn's passing don't signify the end of the Starks. Not by a long shot.
 

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My question, is why did it anger you so much? I'd like to know that because I want to convince you to keep with it, and I can't really do that if I don't know more of your reason for leaving.
 

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omega 616 said:
EDIT: it's not about offending me, me being prude or anything like that. It just rips me violently out of the atmosphere .... like as you start watching somebody turns the gravity off and you drift into the atmosphere of GOT, then bewbs appear and it's like the gravity is turned back on.
Do you mean that you associate a certain degree of nudity or sex with something else so that it kind of jerks (ha!) you out of the moment/immersion?
 

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thejboy88 said:
Okay, those of you who watch the series and know the book probably know what this is all about as it concerns the events of the most recent GOT episode, "The rains of Castamere".

Basically, I knew the ending was coming. I've known ever since season two, which was when I was really into the books. And it was the point in the books where, reading those events, made me so angry and so disgusted with the story, that I literally threw the book aside and never picked it up again. And to this day I've never returned to the books to find out what happened afterwards because I was so upset at the time.

The only reason I watched the show after that was because I held out hope that maybe they'd handle that part of the story in a way that didn't anger me as much as the book did. That was not the case. Once again, this story has made me feel terrible, and so, like with the books, I have decided to abandon the entire thing.

Now I am not saying that I think Game of Thrones is a bad show, far from it. The acting, the way the story is told, all of it is great. But as with all things, there is a line for me. A point that, if passed, forces me to turn away from such stories. And now, GOT has crossed that line.

Call me foolish if you wish. Call me hopelessly old-fashioned for wanting things to turn out happy for the heroes and for everything to be okay. But I'm just like that. I want there to be a light at the end of the tunnel in stories like this. And after this, there is no light bright enough to possibly make this dark and bloody tunnel worth passing through.

I'm done with it.
Fuck the Starks.

If you want boring, bland, fantasy, there's plenty of it out there. A Song of Ice and Fire is the best because there is no such thing as plot armor. Nobody is safe, and no person is exempt from death.

If you'd have continued reading, you would have seen that NOBODY really wins the Game of Thrones. I won't say more due to spoilers, but the fact that you gave up shows you had no faith in the series at all.
 

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It made me very sad and angry, but I could never imagine myself just downright quitting watching the show. I find it incredible that it has these very dark and sad moments where there is no bright side, moments where you feel like there is no more hope. It makes it feel all the more realistic.
 

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There are days when I want to read a story where I know everything will be all right in the end.

Then there are days when I want to see the stakes ramped up: kill off Harry Potter in the third book and make the rest of the struggle against Voldemort that much tougher, and that much scarier.

I see GoT as a battle between all the supernatural monsters of the north vs. humanity. All the petty infighting and stuff we've seen is secondary to that. Sure, there are people I really hope survive and thus far, my favorite characters are even alive. And luckily, I have about 5 that I really like, so several more can bite it before I consider being done with the series.

At any rate, I'll be happy is several of my favorites deal with the menace from the north... but I'll consider the narrative sufficient, and maybe even more interesting, if supernatural terrors are defeated, but with the more vile members of humanity the survivors.
 

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I think it's a sign of a good work of fiction if killing off a character can actually make you feel genuine emotion. As long as it wasn't contrived (which in A Song of Ice and fire, it never is), then it's shows the quality of the work that it's possible to get worked up over it.

It's far better than most video games where it is so painfully obvious that they killed off a character to tug at your heartstrings, but fail miserably because it was done so transparently.
 

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dagens24 said:
Have fun dealing with real life trauma when you can't even deal with fictional trauma.
Consider for a moment that some people read fantasy to escape from reality and to enjoy plots where, though things may seem dark for a time and bad things happen, that there is or will be a brighter side. Grim dark everyone dies is the truth of the real world, and fantasy can be a shelter from that truth. So, having your fantasy fiction constantly remind you that the world sucks and everyone's gonna die might put someone off of reading it. It's not about an inability to deal with it, it's about a desire to avoid it in fiction because one has to deal with it in real life. I am not one who avoids it, but I can see why others might want to.
 

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thejboy88 said:
turn out happy for the heroes
I think this is the core problem. The Starks, or anyone else that's initially presented favorably, are not heroes and that's much of the point of the whole series. It plays with your expectations and assumptions. Characters that you think are utter scum at the beginning slowly grow over time to where you're suddenly realizing that you're rooting for them.

This is why I find the Song of Ice and Fire series interesting, there's plenty of pure escapist, ba dum tish, fantasy out there. And I have and will continue to enjoy those as well, but it's nice to have a contrast to that.
 

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thejboy88 said:
Okay, those of you who watch the series and know the book probably know what this is all about as it concerns the events of the most recent GOT episode, "The rains of Castamere".

Basically, I knew the ending was coming. I've known ever since season two, which was when I was really into the books. And it was the point in the books where, reading those events, made me so angry and so disgusted with the story, that I literally threw the book aside and never picked it up again. And to this day I've never returned to the books to find out what happened afterwards because I was so upset at the time.

The only reason I watched the show after that was because I held out hope that maybe they'd handle that part of the story in a way that didn't anger me as much as the book did. That was not the case. Once again, this story has made me feel terrible, and so, like with the books, I have decided to abandon the entire thing.

Now I am not saying that I think Game of Thrones is a bad show, far from it. The acting, the way the story is told, all of it is great. But as with all things, there is a line for me. A point that, if passed, forces me to turn away from such stories. And now, GOT has crossed that line.

Call me foolish if you wish. Call me hopelessly old-fashioned for wanting things to turn out happy for the heroes and for everything to be okay. But I'm just like that. I want there to be a light at the end of the tunnel in stories like this. And after this, there is no light bright enough to possibly make this dark and bloody tunnel worth passing through.

I'm done with it.
A few thoughts:

1. This site isn't your personal blog. You don't get to just talk about some aspect of your life and automatically earn our interest. This is why threads usually have some kind of question posed to the rest of the forum. Otherwise, we're just left saying "OK then...Good for you? I guess?" It's the difference between "Hey guys, this thing happened to me" and "This thing happened to me, has it ever happened to you?" We don't automatically owe you our attention, you have to earn it. I'm sorry, topics like this one are one of my biggest pet peeves.

2. That being said....You should really finish the third book. I PROMISE it will be worth it. Without giving anything away, characters that you hate will suffer and characters that you like will do awesome things.

3. I've never really understood this reaction of "Something bad happened, so now I can't read the series anymore". If a series manages to make you feel bad about something that doesn't actually fucking exist, isn't that a GOOD thing? And anyway, it's not like[SPOILER WARNING OBVIOUSLY WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING IN THIS TOPIC IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT] Rob and Catelyn were the only interesting characters. (Faaaar from it) So why not just read it to see what happens to the other characters? Are you just ASSUMING they'll all die horribly as well?

4. To clarify: If you've honestly lost interest in the series and don't care about anything that happens in it, then by all means, leave it. I'm just not sure why you expect all of US to care about what TV you're watching.

Seriously, though: Finish the third book. It'll probably be worth it.
 

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thejboy88 said:
Now I am not saying that I think Game of Thrones is a bad show, far from it. The acting, the way the story is told, all of it is great. But as with all things, there is a line for me. A point that, if passed, forces me to turn away from such stories. And now, GOT has crossed that line.

Call me foolish if you wish. Call me hopelessly old-fashioned for wanting things to turn out happy for the heroes and for everything to be okay. But I'm just like that. I want there to be a light at the end of the tunnel in stories like this. And after this, there is no light bright enough to possibly make this dark and bloody tunnel worth passing through.

I'm done with it.
... Really? A show with a good story makes you care enough about characters that when they die you actually REALLY care makes you say 'fuck it'?

I love the show, and the books, for being willing to not just pander to the fanboys. They will kill of the supposed 'good guys', because guess what - in real life the good guys arent safe just because they're the good guys. The whole point of the story is that there arent good guys and bad guys, it's all shades of grey. Again, you know, like real life.

And if you're really that bothered about there 'not being a happy ending' then this was never the show for you in the first place.
 

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I think its perfectly justified for you to not like the nudity in it, and I could understand why it would be unapealling to many viewers, but can you at least see why its used?
To be honest, no.

Josh12345 said:
In the books, nudity is a large plot generator, hell one of the king's councilors got to be Master of Coin by running successful brothels.
Nudity also helps with immersion. In medieval times people were WAY more open with their bodies, and seeing it helps viewers to immerse themselves in the world as a reminder that this isn't a place that we should be used to.
I'm not writer but "Hey, Lord Petyr Baelish (I googled the name) are you disappointed about leaving/selling/whatever the brothels?" not a single bewb has to be seen and you establish he owned brothels. I know in ye old days "hey" was what horses lay on but give a guy a break haha.

I think "Nudity also helps with immersion" is an excuse, not a reason. I don't mean to sound insulting but to me it's like the director(s) and co. were sat in a room saying:

"I really want to put nudity in this but how can we make it seem legit?"
"I know, just say "In medieval times people were WAY more open with their bodies, and seeing it helps viewers to immerse themselves in the world as a reminder that this isn't a place that we should be used to." sounds legit, right?"
"you, you're getting a rise!"

I'm not sure if the show is immature for being so bawdy? Or I am for being "get that nudity out of my face".

Now, I am getting the shit quoted out of me ... fuck.

Senare said:
omega 616 said:
EDIT: it's not about offending me, me being prude or anything like that. It just rips me violently out of the atmosphere .... like as you start watching somebody turns the gravity off and you drift into the atmosphere of GOT, then bewbs appear and it's like the gravity is turned back on.
Do you mean that you associate a certain degree of nudity or sex with something else so that it kind of jerks (ha!) you out of the moment/immersion?
No, it's just my instinctual reaction is "for fucks sake". I will be watching the show, following what is happening, then some nudity pops up and I think "for fucks sake" and fast forward it/go for a piss/grab a snack or drink/distract myself .
 

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They were idiots and they got fucked up. It was vicious but it wasn't without logic or reasoning. Seems stupid to just abandon it.

Besides, Barry did warn you:

 

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For pretty much my whole life, I've been inundated with nothing but happy endings.

The only difference I've had is in the extremely contrived tragedies of some other shows.

The nice thing about GoT is that most everything that happens is driven by the characters. It's something someone else does to them. The universe doesn't just tell them it's not their day, a real thinking human being finds a magnificent way to fuck them right the hell up, and that's just wonderful and rather lacking in the fantasy genre.

Also, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least watch the next episode.