Game of Thrones - I give up

[RazielXT]

Call me sadistic but I really loved ending of last episode. There were too many storylines and Ive had enough of Starks(never liked them), so I really felt satisfied with the ending. I didnt read books so I didnt see it coming, so I had to watch ending three times till I got satisfied.

 

[Nuxxy]

I own and have read all the books (to date), but the nudity in the series also put me off. There was an episode in Season 1 where Littlefinger was talking with an 'agent' or something, while she was getting it on with another woman. It was silly. That's not how you would talk to someone seriously and definitely felt like titillation for the sake of it. I didn't mind the sex in the book because you got inside the character's heads, and saw, for example, how Tyrion's personality had been shaped by losing Tysha, and how Jaime's feelings toward Cersei changed over time.

I'm not saying all of the sex and nudity isn't..erm...'character building'...but are you really telling me there is no gratuitous nudity just for the sake of making "A Game of Tits"?

 

[Manji187]

Yeah...GoT is funny like that. Characters not having plot armour the size of a spaceship's hull.

It's very much like real life. The good die. Oftentimes earlier.

 

[wooty]

Those are exactly the reasons I'm sticking with it. I like the whole grim and dire approach of it. Its very rare that I like happy happy fluffy endings to things. Give me despair and scumbags winning it all, because thats fiction being close to reality.

 

[Pandabearparade]

I'm guessing you didn't like the ending of Mass Effect 3 either?

Do NOT compare that abomination of failure and pretension to Game of Thrones. In Storm of Swords the events were beautifully foreshadowed and events came to their logical conclusion. In Mass Effect 3 they got lazy and thought they could pass off an "artsy" ending with little to no thought put into it as "deep."

 

[repeating integers]

None of that can be shown any other way, it has to be with blatant sexual scenes?

Yes, basically. Other ways would seem like spineless chickening out and not be nearly as powerful. Don't tell, show.

 

[EvilMaggot]

I wonder how many animals were skinned alive to provide for the fur used in that show. Entertainment > Life

you do know that in shows like Game of Thrones, big budget stuff use synthetic furs.. you know.. fake furs ? they used fake furs even back in LotR: Return of the King which is 10 years old now.

No real animal furs in the film buinesses .. or atleast what i know of.. only the woman that dresses in them at movie openings

 

[Amaror]

Who said I hate naked people? I'm fine with naked people, be they dudes or lasses.

Sorry for believing it is fan service and for having an opposing opinion to yours.

I don't think I said people only watch it for the blood and titties.

I just don't to watch soft core porn with a medieval setting and detailed plot, again sorry for having an opposing opinion.

None of that can be shown any other way, it has to be with blatant sexual scenes? Sounds like iffy writing.

Now to ask you a question, why so aggressive? What do you mean "you people"?

I am not attacking you, because you have an opposing opinion, you are welcome to have that.
I am attacking you because you are arguing without knowing anything about the subject. You have seen like what, the half of the first episode? And maybe some scenes you saw, when you googles "Game of Thrones nude people" or something.
You see naked people and just assume it's because of fan service, without thinking about the reason that there are naked people in the scene.
I am not saying they couldn't have made the scenes without nude people, but they wouldn't been nearly as effective and i don't think they should have characterized their character's less, just because some people are put off by it.
I am that aggressive, because you are not the only one claiming: "Game of Thrones, more like Game of Tits, Hur, Hur, Hur" without knowing anything about it and it's pretty annoying.
Someone mentioned the Scene where Petyr Baelish tells his hookers how to fake sex earlier and again the scene is there to characertize Petyr. It's one thing, when a man says he has no interrest in women besides his big love. It's another to show that it's actually true. It shows how much self control Petyr actually has, which makes a later scene, where he meets cat again and instantly loses it all the more significant.

 

[talideon]

besides

Spoiler: spoiler alert

there is a survivor

I'm not quite sure that's the way I'd put it.

 

[RandV80]

I know a lot of people are going to be upset but this really isn't the time to be giving up on the show. At least watch episode 10, and you'll have plenty of time to cool off for season 4 when a whole lot of other shit starts to go down that balances the scales.

Basically, fans of the books like at book 3 as GRRM's masterpiece. While the Red Wedding is certainly the most spectacular event it happens only 2/3rds of the way through and is only part of the reason why we consider this his best book.

 

[Fodder Aplenty]

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Do you think you could spoiler that last part, please? Now that i know, I cant really be fearful for that characters life.

 

[omega 616]

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Sorry guys, I just disagree. I've said it I think it's fan service and ruins my experience of it and what I think they should do instead. You think it adds something and if you feel that way, then for your sake I'm happy it's in.

I'll just have to put up with GOT constantly being shoved in my face, oh woe is me! Haha.

 

[SFMB]

I'm guessing, that killing-off a major character at the end of every season would be a nice idea for a new IP, but since the Game of Thrones has been written a long time ago and it's quite hard even for the people who haven't read the books to avoid spoilers, the deaths of the Stark-boys aren't ground-breaking.
I actually like the idea of a show nauseating people by making likable characters and then gruesomely killing them: wait till you see Tyrion's death!
For me, the show didn't offer anything new, so I quit watching it somewhere in the middle of the first season. The depth of the books was much more enjoyable, though I liked the adventures of the dwarf and the assassin, nonetheless...

 

[talideon]

Basically, I knew the ending was coming. I've known ever since season two, which was when I was really into the books. And it was the point in the books where, reading those events, made me so angry and so disgusted with the story, that I literally threw the book aside and never picked it up again. And to this day I've never returned to the books to find out what happened afterwards because I was so upset at the time.

The only reason I watched the show after that was because I held out hope that maybe they'd handle that part of the story in a way that didn't anger me as much as the book did. That was not the case. Once again, this story has made me feel terrible, and so, like with the books, I have decided to abandon the entire thing.

Yes, that was hopelessly naive of you. In fairness, the show never gave any hint that it would be any less brutal than the books, nor did it give any hint that it would deviate from the plot.

It telegraphed it from the beginning, even before Eddard's death, and it never stopped telegraphing it. It's a world of almost casual brutality: human life is not valued intrinsically. When the show started, I gave those I knew who hadn't read the books (I'd read the first three back when I was in college in the early 2000s) the following advice: everybody dies, or lives and is horribly brutalised; it doesn't matter who, it happens; nobody has plot armour.

Go into the books and show expecting that and you'll be ok; go into them expecting even the slight hint of anything else, and you'll get angry at them.

Go read the most recent book, or watch the rest of the show, but keep this in mind: horrible things happen to everybody. It doesn't matter who they are, they happen.

This may make you happy:

Spoiler

Walder Frey has broken one of the key diplomatic rules of Westeros by killing his guests. Things don't end well for him because of that.

On the other hand:

Spoiler

Catelyn comes back from the dead. Literally. In some ways, it may have been better for her to have stayed dead.

And:

Spoiler

Shitty, horrible things happen to other characters you likely sympathise with. You'll have to accept that now if you want to watch or read any more of it.

 

[Nuxxy]

I am that aggressive, because you are not the only one claiming: "Game of Thrones, more like Game of Tits, Hur, Hur, Hur" without knowing anything about it and it's pretty annoying.

I distinctly did not go "hur hur hur". "Game of Tits" is a term borrowed from the Egotastic website because that's exactly how some people view the series. I was asking it as a serious question: can you guarantee that there is never any gratuitous sex and nudity just for titillation/fan service/because it's HBO? There are absolutely no scenes where you think "Why on earth are the having sex now...that's silly?"

Because if you can claim that, I may rethink not watching it. If you can't, I'll stick to the books and use them to build my experience.

 

[Agow95]

Weird, I much prefer it when shit happens to the heroes, I want the bad guys to win some times, it makes for a much better story than the hero always winning no matter the challenge, it's more realistic, it evidently provides a much bigger punch to the gut than anything else, and it'll make it all the sweeter when the bad guys do finally get their comeuppance.

 

[suitepee7]

Yeah, I hate it when entertainment invokes an emotional response.

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I really do not understand why people are dropping the books or the show because bad things happen, it's a story of conspiracy and backstabbing and dragons, it'd be terrible if the good guys just won.

i also hate feelings. wish i was a vulcan...

but seriously, after reading the books, i was hoping they didn't fuck it up, and they actually didn't. i loved this episode, they made the events as brutal as was needed and tied up the changes they made (like the pregnancy and bringing the wife in the first place) to make it even more emotional and dark.

i've found the second half of this season to be kinda lackluster, seeing as its my favourite book so far, but this episode has won me over

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Sometimes reality is harsh, and books/shows/movies don't always have to be all sunshine and rainbows to be good. Sometimes bad things happen and there's no real resolution. Sure we read/watch/play to escape from real life but still the overarching theme in GoT is very gritty and dark. Meaning sunshine and rainbows don't fit within the narrative in that world. Seems like you set yourself up for failure if you couldn't get past that part in the books, the fact that the TV translation is on HBO should have warned you that it may stay fairly true to the source.
I understand the frustration but really you were asking for it.
I read an interesting interview with a collection of authors who were writing Star Wars EU story arcs and why they did some pretty dark things to "fan favorite" characters. Their idea was that if you don't add a real element of true danger to a story the narrative gets pretty boring knowing the main characters will all walk away unscathed. If one happens to die it makes the possibility very real that others may die as well, especially if they are beloved characters. Death in any form is brutal, but fiction allows us a chance to sort of "rehearse" emotions we may feel in real life without having to actually go through those situations. A chance to sort of steel ourselves in the event that something happens to a real person we truly care about.

 

[Amaror]

I am that aggressive, because you are not the only one claiming: "Game of Thrones, more like Game of Tits, Hur, Hur, Hur" without knowing anything about it and it's pretty annoying.

I distinctly did not go "hur hur hur". "Game of Tits" is a term borrowed from the Egotastic website because that's exactly how some people view the series. I was asking it as a serious question: can you guarantee that there is never any gratuitous sex and nudity just for titillation/fan service/because it's HBO? There are absolutely no scenes where you think "Why on earth are the having sex now...that's silly?"

Because if you can claim that, I may rethink not watching it. If you can't, I'll stick to the books and use them to build my experience.

Sorry the game of tits think wasn't really aimed at you, i just read your post shortly before writing that.
It's more aimed at the people that really think the show isn't more that blood and tits.
To your question:
No. Of the top of my head, no, i can't really think of a scene were the nudity and/or sex seemed silly or forced.
When i started watching the show the many sex scenes were a bit weird to me, but after i got to know the characters and got why the sex scenes were there, they didn't bother me anymore.
There's one scene were Loras tells Renly to try to become king, while shaving his armpits and he gives him a blowjob afterwards. That's a scene were i don't think the sex had to be there, but hey it still makes sense. They were both half naked and romantic partner's so no reason why they shouldn't start having sex.