Many people in the medical fields unfortunately use their "authority" to push political agendas, like she is doing. In my opinion, people should get their licenses revoked when they do this. The proof these people are presenting is the equivalent of 'proving' that martians exist by citing War of the Worlds.Yoshemo said:
"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position
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She's an idiot. That's all there is to it.
How hard is it to understand that you don't become violent by being exposed to violent media. Violent people are attracted to violent stuff. So it's not surprising if you see a rapist playing RapeLay. But it doesn't mean a normal person will become a rapist playing it. Violent people always existed and they will always exist. It's human nature.
How hard is it to understand that you don't become violent by being exposed to violent media. Violent people are attracted to violent stuff. So it's not surprising if you see a rapist playing RapeLay. But it doesn't mean a normal person will become a rapist playing it. Violent people always existed and they will always exist. It's human nature.
To be fair, she wasn't presenting the poll as a study to back her claims, but to give an example as to why she thought video game violence was in the public eye, and thus why she didn't have the studies ready upon demand when asked to back up her claims. The evidence she gave was in actual studies.Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Except for the columbine shootings it was already mentioned and shown that it wasn't media violence it was that the shooters had mental issues and were severely bullied.
I don't see how every blogger, reporter and gamer could have every study made at their fingertips. What a presumptuous media-grubbing moron.
I don't see how every blogger, reporter and gamer could have every study made at their fingertips. What a presumptuous media-grubbing moron.
I think we can say one thing for certain:
Beating about the bush is this woman's second profession. There isn't even a clear statement in that ramble, besides "Oh, well, I r thought it was obvious lulz!".
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Beating about the bush is this woman's second profession. There isn't even a clear statement in that ramble, besides "Oh, well, I r thought it was obvious lulz!".
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tbh I am not going to read all those studies she listed to find out that she is wrong and has drawn silly conclusions from multiple studies into one amalgam of an idea. I'm too busy gaming and not raping OR fighting OR being overtly agressive in any way.
Maybe Video games do increase aggression temporarily... so do most sports. In fact a raised heart rate doesn't gain an emotional response attributed to it (like anger OR arousal) until after the event when you try to rationalise it. If you want to find the evidence for that I read it on Cracked the other day (valentines season stuff, you know) and I'm certainly not going to the extent she went to in references (good move by her on that, we're given so much shit we can't deal with it all).
ANYWAY I'd like her to do an actual study on comparing the percentage of men who played violent video games with the percentage of male rapists (you can even include the unconvicted ones if you think it will help) and see if there is ANY correlation. Then tell me I'm wrong.
Also... On Fox, a news network... brings up Columbine... and then accuses video games?
I'll roll out the standard response...
Maybe Video games do increase aggression temporarily... so do most sports. In fact a raised heart rate doesn't gain an emotional response attributed to it (like anger OR arousal) until after the event when you try to rationalise it. If you want to find the evidence for that I read it on Cracked the other day (valentines season stuff, you know) and I'm certainly not going to the extent she went to in references (good move by her on that, we're given so much shit we can't deal with it all).
ANYWAY I'd like her to do an actual study on comparing the percentage of men who played violent video games with the percentage of male rapists (you can even include the unconvicted ones if you think it will help) and see if there is ANY correlation. Then tell me I'm wrong.
Also... On Fox, a news network... brings up Columbine... and then accuses video games?
I'll roll out the standard response...
Funny I suddenly just got the urge to find this woman and murder her horribly, maybe if I'm lucky I can get them to think that stupid X causes Sin #Y books cause people to become murderers with self esteem. 
Really a backhanded explanation, isn't it? It's like she's explaining it, but she's also threatening to beat you with that same explanation.
Now, I wouldn't say I don't see where she's coming from on this. In fact, I can see where almost all these people are coming from who come out of the woodworks when they see some new FPS or whatever. They think "oh, that's super-violent, we don't want kids exposed to this!" And I can support that. These are not games for kids. Even the ESRB and other gamers will blatantly point out that Bulletstorm and games like it aren't for kids. So why is this an issue? Because some parents are stupid enough to actually buy games like this for them.
An example, you ask? Very well. I was in a Gamestop inside of a month ago, and while I was perusing their selection of new games (because I refuse to buy used from there) I overheard some kid talking with his parents. Apparently the kid had gotten his parents to buy him two World War II-themed FPS games (Call Of Duty 2 and Medal of Honor Airborne, if you must know) and said kid was talking about which games he already had so that his parents didn't get the same game twice. To this, all I could do was think, "wow, it is amazing how these parents are exposing their child to violence. I mean I know the older Call of Duty and Medal of Honor games are pretty tame by FPS standards, but even so, it's still about shootin' dudes." To be fair, maybe they'll monitor their child's gaming habits and prove me wrong, maybe not, but I'm getting off the topic.
The point is Bulletstorm is targeting a certain audience (console First-Person Shooter fans of a 17-24 age range) and some people are concerned about it falling into the hands of a younger demographic. And that's fine, young kids can be and are impressionable and could be taking away the wrong message from games like this. But you know who to blame when little Tommy gets his hands on this? Not the gaming community, not the ESRB (who never seems to catch any flak despite their ratings are, for the most part, ignored by the consumer base), not the store who sold the game (who are explicitly trained to not sell M-rated games to people under 17), not the developers or the publishers. The blame lies squarely on mommy and daddy for buying the game for their child.
Now, I wouldn't say I don't see where she's coming from on this. In fact, I can see where almost all these people are coming from who come out of the woodworks when they see some new FPS or whatever. They think "oh, that's super-violent, we don't want kids exposed to this!" And I can support that. These are not games for kids. Even the ESRB and other gamers will blatantly point out that Bulletstorm and games like it aren't for kids. So why is this an issue? Because some parents are stupid enough to actually buy games like this for them.
An example, you ask? Very well. I was in a Gamestop inside of a month ago, and while I was perusing their selection of new games (because I refuse to buy used from there) I overheard some kid talking with his parents. Apparently the kid had gotten his parents to buy him two World War II-themed FPS games (Call Of Duty 2 and Medal of Honor Airborne, if you must know) and said kid was talking about which games he already had so that his parents didn't get the same game twice. To this, all I could do was think, "wow, it is amazing how these parents are exposing their child to violence. I mean I know the older Call of Duty and Medal of Honor games are pretty tame by FPS standards, but even so, it's still about shootin' dudes." To be fair, maybe they'll monitor their child's gaming habits and prove me wrong, maybe not, but I'm getting off the topic.
The point is Bulletstorm is targeting a certain audience (console First-Person Shooter fans of a 17-24 age range) and some people are concerned about it falling into the hands of a younger demographic. And that's fine, young kids can be and are impressionable and could be taking away the wrong message from games like this. But you know who to blame when little Tommy gets his hands on this? Not the gaming community, not the ESRB (who never seems to catch any flak despite their ratings are, for the most part, ignored by the consumer base), not the store who sold the game (who are explicitly trained to not sell M-rated games to people under 17), not the developers or the publishers. The blame lies squarely on mommy and daddy for buying the game for their child.
wow, i didnt know that had games AT THE BEGINNING OF FUCKING TIME.
rape is caused by unfulfilled sexual urges, not brain stimulation.
the apes raped each other, primitive humans raped each other, modern humans rape each other, games as we now know them have only been around for 50 or 60 years i think.
rape is caused by unfulfilled sexual urges, not brain stimulation.
the apes raped each other, primitive humans raped each other, modern humans rape each other, games as we now know them have only been around for 50 or 60 years i think.
For the record, she apparently linked to other "evidence" as well, although these were the most relevant. More links can be found here:
http://drcarole.tumblr.com/ [http://drcarole.tumblr.com/]
http://drcarole.tumblr.com/ [http://drcarole.tumblr.com/]