"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position

Sennz0r

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"national poll"? Really? So the biased view of the masses (which is biased, mind, by the connection the media made between motive and the killer's hobbies) is what passes for evidence these days? Also those linked studies are inconclusive, and regarding Rapelay Japan has an entirely different view on this matter than the western world. Is that game even being sold around here?

There, all you arguments have once again been proven invalid (I'd use more words, but I'm hungry).
 

Shuswah_Noir

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Umm... Since when do public polls hold any evidence about why two people who are dead did anything? There is zero evidence in polls anyway. But to put a poll out about why people think they went on a murderous rampage is not only wrong, but it wont hold any truth, it is just insanity.
 

Sonicron

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I say this as an academic, not as a gamer:
Go die in a fire, Lieberman. If this really is your modus operandi, you're a disgrace to the entire scientific community.
 

Beccax

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Right well first of all you idiot the phrase is 'at my fingertips' not 'on my fingertips'. You reading made up stories on your finger tips are you? Bit small? Maybe that's why you can?t get your facts right.

Also, you said and this is verbatim "The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in videogames". All the studies mentioned, were primarily about violence, and little to do with your original statement of largely increasing rape, which the reports didn't even say. in regard to the first report linked, when they were specifically referring to videos games, they said 'video games etc...', the one part that mentions rape talks about "media", so that is all of media; films, books, tv, magazines etc. Video games clearly weren't singled out because of the lack of a significant causal link, and the way to make the link significant was to group all of media together.

The second, when it discusses rape in relation to violent video games comes under the section, psychoticism, basically saying those who are already pre-disposed to being psychotic, given the right environment, will have an increased likelihood of doing psychotic things. Well everybody in psychology already knew that, and it is environment, that is everything from a stressful relationship, to being bullied. Video games have nothing to do with this at all; they are just being classed as an environment and being blamed by an obviously bias researcher.

As already pointed out by the readers of Escapist, the FBI stats show she is speaking nonsense. Even if there was an increase, anyone who has ever done stats will know that you cannot draw causal links between two variables without more research. Stats identify trends and can suggest links, but do not prove anything unless it is out rightly comparing the two. Like Durkheim's study into suicide, one cannot say that people commit suicide less because of religion creating social cohesion, when other social factors like coroners not putting the cause of death as suicide as it would have negative and damning ramifications on the family, families hiding suicide notes because it will damage the family name and so on are playing a major role in the creation of these statistics. Maybe any localised increase is due to a women?s aid centre opening, I remember when they first started opening the centres to look after abused women, rape stats in those areas rose. Was it die to the recent release of a video game, or because the centres provided a safe place for women to take refuge after attacks, where they encouraged and supported them if they wanted to report it when the normally wouldn't.

Frankly, this women is getting on my nerves and its bad scientists, like her (though I feel sick calling her one), and probably the studies she is quoting (I haven't had time to go through each one cited on the documents posted, but I will), as I have yet been handed any well performed research that provides links between video games creating rapists, murderers, thieves etc, make people hate psychologists. If it's not idiots on TV spouting their half understanding of archaic theories like Freud, it's people like her who just deal in half-truths and bad scientific method.

(Sorry for the long/ ranty post)xx
 

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Having done actual scientific research, I can say with certainty that you never, ever say "I have proof for this that you all know about, so I won't show it." You need to cite your sources. You can't say "everyone knows video games cause rape, therefore video games cause rape." You can't even say "I have argued against video game violence before, therefore video games cause rape." You need to say, for example, "According to Bob Smith [cite study], the number of rapes has increased significantly since violent video games existed" or "When asked, 97% of rapist at Prisons X, Y, and Z admitted to basing their crimes on acts found in video games."

Also, yeah, they're proven that violent psychopaths often like violent games, but never that violent games create violent psychopaths. Case in point: nearly every person between 13 and 30.
 

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Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
so in other words, people think that media violence was behind it so therefore that is what it was.
it doesnt matter if it was or not but people believe it is.

THIS IS WHY PSYCHOLOGY WILL NEVER BE A PROPER SCIENCE
 

Beccax

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irani_che said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
so in other words, people think that media violence was behind it so therefore that is what it was.
it doesnt matter if it was or not but people believe it is.

THIS IS WHY PSYCHOLOGY WILL NEVER BE A PROPER SCIENCE
That isn't psychology, that is just a crazy women grabbing at straws because she made an inflammatory comment. No psychological academic in their right mind would use an opinion poll as scientific evidence because as it states in the title, its an opinion poll. Please don't generalise to the entire subject because that is not how we do research.
 

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Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
Huh... Apparently to her a "national poll" counts as a "study."
ROIGHT! Well then I'm going to have a "national poll" over the cuteness of bunnies and then call it a study!

I R DOKTOR NAO.
Exactly what I was thinking. Except mines was about cake.

Since when did National Opinion, become Fact? Surely that statement alone completely destroys her entire case.
 

Irie Gwynbleidd

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Yeah right... and on Facebook she claims that ppl bashed her book on amazon, because she said that video games cause VIOLENCE.
Rape, violence... what's the difference?
 

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Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
Huh... Apparently to her a "national poll" counts as a "study."
ROIGHT! Well then I'm going to have a "national poll" over the cuteness of bunnies and then call it a study!

I R DOKTOR NAO.
You know, I think you may be on to something [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.264850-Poll-National-Poll-over-the-Cuteness-of-Bunnies]
 

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irani_che said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
so in other words, people think that media violence was behind it so therefore that is what it was.
it doesnt matter if it was or not but people believe it is.

THIS IS WHY PSYCHOLOGY WILL NEVER BE A PROPER SCIENCE
I just have to point out that she's a psychiatrist NOT a psychologist there's a world of difference for example:

A psychiatrist studies as an MD first then spends a couple of years studying psychology.

A psychologist spends significantly more time studying psychology but less time studying as an MD.

The net result is that she can prescribe drugs where a psychologist can not, which explains so much when you think about it.
Not that it matters this woman is a disgrace to both profesions not to mention a first class idiot.
 

Treblaine

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So in summary:
-worked in media = not scientific credentials
-testify congress. Come on, even Mr Rogers has testified = not scientific credentials
-contributes to a non-peer-reviewed book = not scientific credentials
-public opinion polls. Opinion=/=fact.
-shooting sprees like columbine have WHAT to do with rape statistics?


"a considerable number of studies have failed to find compelling links between VVGs [violent videogames] and aggression"

[HEADING=1]CASE CLOSED[/HEADING]
 

Arkhangelsk

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The annoying big problem with these things is that they assume that everyone is at stable mental health, and that 100% of all gamers should be sane. There are millions of people who have gone batshit bonkers without the help of games. If let's say 0.1% of all people in the last year went insane, I 'll bet my balls that the average number of gamers gone mad are around the same. Nobody seems to have thought of this.
 

loopylottie

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pfft, well, clearly, given her well informed and thoroughly researched response- them kids these days and their violent video games are the obvious blame.

I can has phd too nao?
 

elvor0

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What the hell? THat's not a defence, you can't use national opinion as fact, national opinion that in itself is going to be biased because fearmongers like her tell people that everything will make you murder and rape anything that moves.