"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position

[Uszi]

I mean I'm not even a sexist, or a frequent meme user, and I feel tempted to say "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich." Problem being I wouldn't trust her to cut a loaf of bread that was pre sliced.

I mean, if you don't want to be a sexist... then... don't tell her to get back in the kitchen.

There's plenty there to criticize, in the case with Carol Lieberman here, without ad hominem attacks. And if you are going to use an ad hominem attack, you should use one that doesn't also make yourself look bad, like saying something sexists might. Plus, when you discredit yourself through an ad hominem attack like that, you give your opponent more ground to work with.

Not to be a jerk to you or anything, but the world would be a much better place if we didn't have people saying stuff like, "Get back in the kitchen!" And if you know it's wrong, and you hesitate to say it, then why even post it in the first place?
/2 cents

 

[Radoh]

Oh good, it is nice to know your evidence to support your theories are grounded with individuals, whom most of which don't know anything about psychology, who were told via large media outlets that an increase in violence is believed to be video games fault, voted such in national polls. Especially since that backs up your claim on rapes increasing which flies against the grain of actual evidence that contradicts that. It's also nice to know that you think rape and violence are interchangeable terms.

What is your deal you crazy person?

 

[FightThePower]

She's just shown that videogames cause violent behaviour, which of course we already knew, that's not what we were contesting. The correlation between violent games and violent behaviour is only 0.2, which is a pretty small effect size. Still, it's as strong as the correlation between asbestos exposure and cancer.

Saying that games cause rape is severely exaggerating the scientific evidence. Making a generalisation from a fairly general behaviour i.e. playing violent videogames (most of them are, and all vary in subject matter, what the player is doing etc.) to a very specific and severe violent act is ridiculous.

Now if you were to claim a game where the player intentionally rapes women (which isn't found anywhere in the mainstream gaming industry) and then say it can cause rape, you might have a point. But Bulletstorm isn't about rape, is it, Fox News?

 

[Uszi]

Alright, last one:

 

[blueschmoo]

nope

 

[thatguy85]

How long until we see her site hacked by anon? Guesses?

 

[alandavidson]

Initially, the statement that games can cause rape caught my attention. We, as both a community and an industry must be ever mindful of the effects that our products have on people.

Not to air "dirty laundry" on a forum, but I have to deal with the effects of rape and molestation on a daily basis. But were the incidents linked to, or influenced by videogames? No. They were committed by people who are, at their very core, evil. I cannot blame a game for what happened.

We need to define the line between "provocative" and "offensive". On my side of the creek, (film) Wes Craven and people like him often take it too far with their graphic depictions of rape. On the games side, there are some games that take it too far as well. At what point are we crossing lines that should not be crossed?

If Dr. Lieberman had been discussing something that explicitly depicts forcible sex, (such as RapeLay) I could see her point. Games like RapeLay, and even some content in the GTA series have taken sexuality too far. But to categorize ALL violent and sexual content in games as booleans for violent crime is ridiculous.

 

[blueschmoo]

nope.avi

 

[Someonetookmyname]

"What you guys don't know about the countless studies made on the link between violence in video games? Oh excuse me for your ignorance."

And I love how the studies she presented didn't support her claim of "Video Games make rapeists". They didn't even link to sexual violence at all and one even admited that it was only on occasion that certain personality groups (my guess: unstable or already aggressive) can be negatively affected by video games.

And then of course there's the "When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list..." quote. Well I know that about 25% of the people in America believe that Obama isn't an American and that he's a Muslim so, I guess there's still a chance he's a Kenyan and not a Christian.

Although shes stupid as hell, she didn't say that public opinion is a study, she said that because the public thought what they thought, they had to know about the studies.

Shes still just a troll.

But dont get mad, show some pity, she probaply needed money for some big boat.

True. But obviously when the public has an opinion its based on all the facts and studies that they've researched. Like my example with Obama, these people must have a good amount of hard evidence to support their claims.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I agree. Just pointing out that even when taken in context, that line is still stupid because it assumes that the public (a)always knows what they're talking about when they make an opinion and (b)that they have the same familiarity with scientific studies as the scientists and researchers making them.

The title "Pop psychiatrist" is so fitting.

I actually didn't think of it that way, i just thought that believed thtat the public knew about THOSE studies, but if her statement has to make some sort of sense, it needs to be all studies.

Ps. this is great, when you post on forums, and read answers on what you write, you can see stuff from a lot of different angles

 

[Someonetookmyname]

I wonder how long time it will take until she is raped by an angry/stupid/evil person who plays games.

 

[blueschmoo]

nope.avi

 

[Tomo Stryker]

People like this are sad. I'm not going to get angry and claw out her eyes, but for fuck's sake! Please support your argument with 'valid' facts before you start spewing! No one will take you serious if you try to pass this bullshit for information! Now she will forever be remembered as that "Doctor" who tried to link media entertainment and forced sexual actions together.

You poor *BLEEEEEEEEEEP*. Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go and do something productive with my day.

 

[wolf thing]

She doesn't know nothing. She didn't even touch a videogame in life and just because watches Fox News she thinks she know all about the subject.

dont you mean she "doesn't know anything" what you said was a double negative which means she does know something

ot: she clearly knows nothing and is simply trying to get attention

 

[ProjectTrinity]

Sorry lady, I don't study rape. It's not something I'm actively interested in, you know.

 

[Tempest13]

"Media Psychiatrist" translates directly to, "Doesn't actually treat Psychology as a science and probably barely made it through Undergrad" I don't see how you can major in Psychology and come out that fucking stupid. Yes, she's a Psychiatrist, not a Psychologist, but if she doesn't understand the latter, she isn't sufficiently educated to be the former.

 

[rokkolpo]

Sounds like a stuck up kid fighting for a higher grade.

And getting an F for delusion.

 

[GeekFury]

Anyone else feel that on the wind? A shit storms a brewing! Batten down the hatches!

 

[Sean Strife]

...really? She's gonna address this and yet she's not gonna bring up the fact that her book is encouraging women to go out and act like whores, then turn around and ***** about Bulletstorm "turning gamers into rapists"?

I could care less on her opinion on Bulletstorm, I want this ***** to own up to the fact she's encouraging women to behave like whores to get what they want! Newsflash "Doctor": Women acting like whores is going to entice a HELL of a lot more rape than a fucking video game! If anything YOUR BOOK will lead to rape!

Hey, she's jumping to conclusions, so I want to play, too.