"Games Cause Rape" Psychiatrist Defends Her Position

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tigermilk

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Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
Huh... Apparently to her a "national poll" counts as a "study."
ROIGHT! Well then I'm going to have a "national poll" over the cuteness of bunnies and then call it a study!

I R DOKTOR NAO.
Put me down for "strongly agree" on 'Are bunnies super-duper cute?' and 'Do bunnies cause rape?'

Kudos for being the first to cite the poll/study problem. Lets face it "national polls" were part of the reason George Bush Snr/Jr were presidents.
 

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i played the Bulletstorm demo and i personally feel no desire to go commit a violent crime and/or rape. however, i will admit the demo influenced me to go preorder the full version when at the end it called me "dick-tits."
You didn't get your rape face on? Trololol. And that's a great selling point, much like Prinny 2 where a bullet point read: "Use a canon to launch yourself to the stages". SOLD.
i didn't feel the need to go and rape sumone either. i love the demo and i can't wait for the game, so phyciatrists in general can suck it.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"I am sending this email to all of the reporters, editors, bloggers, gamers and others who have contacted me asking about what my opinion regarding violent video games was based upon. When I was first asked to provide studies, I did not have them on my fingertips - not because I didn't know they existed - but because I thought that everyone already knew about these studies and I had them filed away. My obligations to patients and other professional commitments have delayed my gathering these examples of such studies, and sending them to you, until now."

"I have worked in the area of media violence for many years. This included testifying before Congress on the issue, doing numerous media interviews, stopping the 'Schwarzenegger rocket' that was to have had an ad for Last Action Hero on it, being invited to contribute an essay on video game violence to Larry King's book Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, etc. When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list, so I, obviously mistakenly, assumed that people still knew about the studies showing this connection - and believed them to have proven the link."

"In any case, I would appreciate your including a mention of these studies on your websites, blogs or comments, or at least including a mention of the fact that I did provide such studies to you. Thank you."
U mad, Sis?
Seriously, is this it? "I thought that you knew! Where the fuck have you been, bro? Everyone knows Media Violence did it! Look at the polls!"
Fuck you, lady. Just fuck you. Here's the reason why the polls said media violence did it - It wasn't because of all the reports, it was because a bunch of shitheads like you got themselves into the media storm, and threw their weight around on Fox News and the like, and gave a bunch of uninformed morons the idea that video games will deffinatly cause children to start shooting people in the face at age 12.
Oh yeah, and if you seriously thought that everyone knew about your evidence even when people were asking what your evidence was, Please do excuse me if I doubt your ability to be perspetive when you're talking about the human mind.
Once you're ready to make an actual argument besides Ad Hominum (And I know that's hypocritical, considering this is mostly what you're getting even in this very comment, but hey, what did you expect?) and the fact that we're not fucking clarvoiant, Then we can talk proper science here, but untill then, you should expect and deserve nothing but derogiroty comments and complete dissmissal of your claims.
 

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WanderingFool said:
Cain_Zeros said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Cain_Zeros said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
Huh... Apparently to her a "national poll" counts as a "study."
ROIGHT! Well then I'm going to have a "national poll" over the cuteness of bunnies and then call it a study!

I R DOKTOR NAO.
The difference being that bunnies actually are cute, so you'd be calling a "national poll" a "study" to support fact, rather than utter bullshit.
Shit... I didn't think anyone would call me out on my bullshit.
HOLY COW! I just made a parallel between that author and my random act of stupidity.
Thank you for helping me laugh much harder at her expense tonight.
xD
Well, she deserves all the laughter at her expense we can provide.
In that case, let me join in on the merriment, lawl...

Anyways, I also want to add...
[sarcastic tone]Rapelay, I blame Japan... lets bomb the bastards and make them pay!
We already did once. They got better.
 

leevio

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Just me, but seems like it would be reasonable to sue her ass for slander...Oh how I wish I would live in the USA now, then I would be sticking rich by now.
 
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This is a perfect example of an (supposed) expert using their authority as an expert to try and mislead the public. She isn't dumb, I suspect she knows she's lying about the state of research but thinks she's doing the right thing. Hell, she might even be slightly right - It doesn't seem too far fetched to imagine that exposing a young boy to ultra violent video games might, rarely, predispose him to committing violent crimes including rape, when he's older.

There is a problem with scientific news reporting in general; for giving these people a platform and encouraging sensationalism. Most issues are complex, with many contributing factors, that doesn't make for interesting news shows, so the headline that gets circulated around is, "Games cause Rape".
 

jxk94

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To be fair after playing blackops i did get the uncontrollable urge to go and rape someone within a two miles radius. i didn't get the chance to though as according to her i most likely tried to rob a bank with a baseball bat then tried talking to random people using my speech points.
 

Sylveria

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It would be really ironic if this woman was raped with a copy of some Dora the Explorer DS game. But knowing Fox they'd blame it on illegal immigration.
 

BlackWidower

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She missed the big hole in her thesis: rape has gone down over the past several decades. As has all forms of violent crime. Unless she deals with this, she is not a real psychiatrist. Real psychiatrists listen to the evidence. They don't ignore it.
 

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Firehound said:
WanderingFool said:
Cain_Zeros said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Cain_Zeros said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
Dr.Liberman said:
When the Columbine murders took place, there were national polls where people voted on what they believed caused the two young men to kill. Media violence ranked high on the list
Huh... Apparently to her a "national poll" counts as a "study."
ROIGHT! Well then I'm going to have a "national poll" over the cuteness of bunnies and then call it a study!

I R DOKTOR NAO.
The difference being that bunnies actually are cute, so you'd be calling a "national poll" a "study" to support fact, rather than utter bullshit.
Shit... I didn't think anyone would call me out on my bullshit.
HOLY COW! I just made a parallel between that author and my random act of stupidity.
Thank you for helping me laugh much harder at her expense tonight.
xD
Well, she deserves all the laughter at her expense we can provide.
In that case, let me join in on the merriment, lawl...

Anyways, I also want to add...
[sarcastic tone]Rapelay, I blame Japan... lets bomb the bastards and make them pay!
We already did once. They got better.
I think "better" is a relative term in Japan's case. They got...different.
 

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Banning everything crazy people can use as an excuse for why they do what they do is a great idea. Let's throw out games and movies and music and books and religion and politics and the economy.

EDIT: Also dogs. Can't be prejudiced against the Son of Sam.
 

Parallel Streaks

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I've played videogames for 7 years and have never committed a violent crime or rape, and I don't feel particularly inclined to do so, as I'm a staunch pacifist. These claims are simply ridiculous.
 

cybersleuth58

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Folks... She has an MD and an MPH; ridicule all you want but the woman is a real physician with impressive credentials. She is not alone in her beliefs: "The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, along with medical organizations, has been a strong advocate for television ratings and installation of chips to block certain programs. Physicians, in their role as health promoters, should become more active in educating the media to become more sensitive to the impact of violence on youth. We should be speaking up to the networks, cable vendors, local stations, federal agencies, and our political officials to help insure that programming decisions are made with an eye open to the potential consequences to the viewing audience, and that when violence is present, there are adequate warnings provided to the public. The arena of media violence is a new frontier where physicians can promote health through public education and advocacy." http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/developmentor/the_impact_of_media_violence_on_children_and_adolescents_opportunities_for_clinical_interventions

There is no dearth of professional organizations that recognize a possible link between violent imagery and aggressive behavior. Personally, I think it is a bit simplistic to reduce human behavior to cause and effect. There are so many other factors: brain chemistry, brain injury, drugs, genetic predisposition, abuse in childhood, and other contributing causes too numerous to mention.

First, if it was said on Fox there is a 99.9% chance that it is complete bullshit (er, I mean propaganda). That goes without saying. I am surprised they didn't advocate abstinence-only videogames.

I tried to find Lieberman's initial statement because this is a snippet. If you have ever played telephone you know that when a statement is made and then filtered through a chain of people, by the end of that chain it doesn't even vaguely resemble what was said at the outset. Not having her actual statement nor the context in which it was made, I can only say:

I disagree with her, but I am neither an MD nor do I have access to the studies,journals, continuing education (including Webinars) that a physician must process to keep a medical license active and current. There are experts on BOTH sides of this issue. Naturally I gravitate toward the experts whose theories support my opinion and love of videogames. :)

I find it particularly annoying when content in games, movies, and TV shows is censored/restricted because parents are not supervising their own kids. How many times have I watched a parent wait outside of Gamestop in the Mall while little Johnie or Janie buys a video game that is clearly NOT appropriate. I feel that if people choose to have kids it is up to them to police what their kids are playing. Don't infantilize my videogames because they are too graphic for Joe sixpack's 9 year old!

If you want to challenge Dr. Lieberman's opinion, do so intellectually. Making fun of her and calling her names only makes us sound like a bunch of adolescents. Back in the day, experts claimed that "sin" was attributable to alcohol and prostitution. Next it was attributed to vaudeville, and dancing. When movies became popular guess what they blamed? Then it was rock 'n' roll music... It drove conservatives crazy! Decadence in society has been blamed on many things: 30 years ago, sex education was blamed for teen pregnancy.

Let the "experts" opine. They mean well and sincerely believe their theories. The bottom line is to respect everyone's beliefs, ESPECIALLY when you don't agree with them.
 

puffy786

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So to her logic, Sex video games equals to change in rape. Rape rates have been lowered so, that must mean that... Rape Games = Less Rape! :D See i can do logic as well.