Gena Davis institute on Gender in media tries to link violent games to mass shootings and police violence

[Gergar12]

I guess the main problem I have is Mastercard and Visa's puritanism. It doesn't matter how many alternative Patreons you start, if those two companies don't like what you're doing your screwed.

'War Against Sex Workers:' What Visa and Mastercard Dropping Pornhub Means to Performers

The world's biggest credit card companies terminated service to Pornhub, and performers on the site say it could seriously harm their livelihoods.

www.vice.com

Nicholas Kristof is a jackass.

All of these changes came days after a piece published by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times, which highlighted the plight of child sexual abuse survivors whose images were posted Pornhub. Despite writing about an issue that's been used as political ammunition to censor adult content on the internet for decades—including the deeply harmful Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2018—he barely cited performers who use the site or sex worker rights activists.
Instead, he opted to name-check Traffickinghub, a campaign run by conservative religious anti-trafficking organization Exodus Cry, which opposes decriminalizing sex work and wants to abolish porn altogether.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yes, Christian conservative fundamentalists are bad for sexy content, and it's bad long term that they weild power both through governmental and non-government means, and if it didn't take those extraordinary measures to make pornhub actually bother to police their content it would have saved a lot of us some major headaches.

But y'all know that Christian conservative fundamentalists aren't feminists, right?

 

[Gergar12]

Yes, Christian conservative fundamentalists are bad for sexy content, and it's bad long term that they weild power both through governmental and non-government means, and if it didn't take those extraordinary measures to make pornhub actually bother to police their content it would have saved a lot of us some major headaches.

But y'all know that Christian conservative fundamentalists aren't feminists, right?

I am pretty sure Nicholas Kristof is a liberal.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Ok replace it with any number of other franchises rather than being pedantic when the point was sex sells not that it only applies to one demographic.

I've been doing that repeatedly in this thread. You just didn't want to engage with neutered porn games on Nintendo's eshop, itch's porn bundles, the massive rise in sex in general in the "triple AAA", Steam having porn tags, etc because it's not skimpy anime high school girls.

and there are people still very pissed at that and wanting to see it censored. People on twitter pushing claims like The Witcher 3 gives you points for having sex with prostitutes

Ypu can find anybody anywhere pushing anything you want if you look hard enough. You're talking about a critically acclaimed best selling 6 year old game, random people on twitter don't really rate

So far Stargirl is holding up better actually despite also being on Prime and it started as a DC universe exclusive. With Batwoman I only need to see some of the clips that have been put out. Hell Batwoman's rating actually went lower that Stargirl's season 1 the average viewership was only higher due to the initial few episodes having more viewers.

You could just say "no". "Clips on the internet" is a bullshit way to gauge quality, especially when presented by somebody with an agenda

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I am pretty sure Nicholas Kristof is a liberal.

How is it that out of everybody involved with this clusterfuck, from massive credit card companies run by fundamentalists, to government control in 2018, to lobbying groups funded with millions of conservative dollars, you zero in on the blogger writing about sex trafficking and rape porn and pornhub's legitimate problems with it?

Don't get me wrong it's on brand, but it's basically shooting the messenger.

 

[Hawki]

the massive rise in sex in general in the "triple AAA",

Um, what?

The amount of AAA IPs that have sex as part of their plot/mechanics I can think of are Dragon Age, Fire Emblem (none of which is shown, and is a very old IP), and Mass Effect. Maybe there's more, but "massive rise?"

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I've been doing that repeatedly in this thread. You just didn't want to engage with neutered porn games on Nintendo's eshop, itch's porn bundles, the massive rise in sex in general in the "triple AAA", Steam having porn tags, etc because it's not skimpy anime high school girls.

Strange because I did address that.
You however seem unwilling to address the numerous calls against sexy video game characters other than going "I don't know them so there is no push" in essence

Ypu can find anybody anywhere pushing anything you want if you look hard enough. You're talking about a critically acclaimed best selling 6 year old game, random people on twitter don't really rate

Yet for some reason to developers they do or to media pundits.

You could just say "no". "Clips on the internet" is a bullshit way to gauge quality, especially when presented by somebody with an agenda

Well yes the CW has an Agenda, the make the show look better than it is so if I'm already saying it's bad based on clips by the CW you know it must be bad.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Um, what?

The amount of AAA IPs that have sex as part of their plot/mechanics I can think of are Dragon Age, Fire Emblem (none of which is shown, and is a very old IP), and Mass Effect. Maybe there's more, but "massive rise?"

Cyberpunk came immediately to mind, Witcher was already mentioned, GTA is rife with prostitutes.

That said, I did momentarily forget that games like Hades aren't "AAA" games despite equivalent quality

EDIT: I feel like I should preempt a probable counter argument: the criticism over Cyberpunk's sexy bits was that they were shit and/or legally actionable if applied to Keanu Reeve's personage, not that they existed

 

[Hawki]

GTA is rife with prostitutes.

GTA reached AAA status in the 2000s though. And to my knowledge, you can't have sex with them, nor is it a plot mechanic.

 

[Kwak]

GTA reached AAA status in the 2000s though. And to my knowledge, you can't have sex with them, nor is it a plot mechanic.

Now you know.

Bonus 1st person view.

 

[Hawki]

Now you know.

Now I do.

 

[Cicada 5]

But hey it couldn't possible be a side effect of a culture pushing the idea that sexy or sexuality is a bad thing or anything right? It's not a though we have fairly well established psychology research onto the ideas about conformity or anything.

The various femme fatales and sexualized villainesses are far greater evidence of an anti-sex society than giving Tifa a training bra or designing women with larger than usual muscles.

Except generally you also want it to sell and like it or not Sex still sells. Otherwise Fifty Shades of Grey wouldn't have managed a 3 film trilogy lol

A trilogy which was critically panned and made less money with each successive film. To say nothing of how the books they were based on have been criticized by the BDSM community for pushing stereotypes that demonize them.

Sex sells might have worked in the heyday of Baywatch and Pamela Anderson, but people have faster and less expensive ways to access smut.

 

[Silvanus]

Which is still 3 more than you've shown to support your claims I will say.

Probably because posting individual photos to prove a point about broad trends is a waste of time.

So it's fine then there are no issues as we're not bound by the conventions of reality. Thus the argument is invalid

The argument about over-sexualisation never relied on "the conventions of reality", and whether or not real-world counterparts exist is utterly irrelevant. Something can be overly sexualised regardless.

Ah so artists must be made to make something else?

What? Obviously not. Nobody said that, you're pulling another strawman out of your ass.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Probably because posting individual photos to prove a point about broad trends is a waste of time.

And yet despite your claims it's a broad trend in Dead Or Alive you can't come up with 1 example? Not even 1? You expect people to believe you on faith alone? Funny how that works especially when you're trying to claim my 3 examples should be dismissed in part based on a larger trend you have yet to show or prove. How is your exact copy of the emperors new clothes?

The argument about over-sexualisation never relied on "the conventions of reality", and whether or not real-world counterparts exist is utterly irrelevant. Something can be overly sexualised regardless.

Yet reality must be a factor because if they are oversexualised in game then surely you think they're oversexualised in reality?

What? Obviously not. Nobody said that, you're pulling another strawman out of your ass.

Well you're working on the basis artists don't want to do said art despite a large amount of art from artists painting sexy women in the past.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

The various femme fatales and sexualized villainesses are far greater evidence of an anti-sex society than giving Tifa a training bra or designing women with larger than usual muscles.

Hasn't been that many of them lately really

A trilogy which was critically panned and made less money with each successive film. To say nothing of how the books they were based on have been criticized by the BDSM community for pushing stereotypes that demonize them.

Sex sells might have worked in the heyday of Baywatch and Pamela Anderson, but people have faster and less expensive ways to access smut.

And yet still sexy celebrities sell. Yet having them in sexy situations still happens. yeh people can get pure smut other places but also people will happily pay to see sexy celebrities.

 

[Cicada 5]

Hasn't been that many of them lately really

Lady Dimitrescu from Resident Evil: Village
Ada Wong in the RE2 Remake
Sindel in MK 11
Morgan in the Runaways show
Doctor from Akudama Drive

All come to mind as recent examples. Also, check out the trailer for an upcoming Netflix movie called Night Teeth.

And yet still sexy celebrities sell.

I just gave you evidence that this not the case. At least not all the time these days.

Yet having them in sexy situations still happens. yeh people can get pure smut other places but also people will happily pay to see sexy celebrities.

You only need to look at Megan Fox's career to see how relying only on sex appeal can only get you so far. Hell, they made a Baywatch movie four years ago that flopped despite having Dwayne Johnson in it.

There is a difference between paying for movies which happen to have sex scenes in it and the sex scenes being the reason people pay money for them.

And the fact that you can point out that sexy situations happen all the time in movies only further proves how this whining over sexiness being attacked is completely absurd.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Lady Dimitrescu from Resident Evil: Village
Ada Wong in the RE2 Remake
Sindel in MK 11
Morgan in the Runaways show
Doctor from Akudama Drive

No, see, characters like Sindel in MK 11 are proof the SJWs are winning and destroying sexiness in games. I mean, look at this censorship!

With incremental change like this, it'll only be 10-20 years before every female character is a Victorian era prude.

It's already happening with characters like Lady Dimitrescu, she's already wearing a full dress! When will the madness end!?

All you have to do is ignore the massive amounts of thirst generated by big muscle gals and bears because those people don't count as real gamers. Or anime fans with Dorohedoro, or anything "non-standard" anyway. It's incredible to see some people bemoan the death of sexiness in <media> while my Twitter feed is becoming a goddamned slip hazard

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Strange because I did address that.

You did? You addressed that large numbers of sexy games exist for major retailers to sell freely, including every sexy game you feel is maligned?

You however seem unwilling to address the numerous calls against sexy video game characters other than going "I don't know them so there is no push" in essence
Yet for some reason to developers they do or to media pundits.

"Blogger said a thing" is bloggers saying a thing. Other than widespread mockery, there's no real push. But, if you are in the business of selling products, widespread mockery is valuable feedback, if you engage with what's being mocked. Basically nobody had any objections to Greek mythological entities running around half-or-entirely naked and having sex in Hades.

Well yes the CW has an Agenda, the make the show look better than it is so if I'm already saying it's bad based on clips by the CW you know it must be bad.

Watching advertising is watching a show in much the same way as watching a gameplay trailer is like playing a game. You'd pitch a fit if people decided to review video games based on promo material, right? Games you're predisposed to liking, anyway.

 

[Silvanus]

And yet despite your claims it's a broad trend in Dead Or Alive you can't come up with 1 example? Not even 1? You expect people to believe you on faith alone? Funny how that works especially when you're trying to claim my 3 examples should be dismissed in part based on a larger trend you have yet to show or prove. How is your exact copy of the emperors new clothes?

I rather expect people to be able to Google the DOA roster themselves.

But if you're incapable: I'd point to Kasumi, Christie, Lisa, Tina, Rachel, Marie Rose, Mai.

Yet reality must be a factor because if they are oversexualised in game then surely you think they're oversexualised in reality?

Why? I'd recommend you just stop assuming what I think, because you're quite bad at it.

Well you're working on the basis artists don't want to do said art despite a large amount of art from artists painting sexy women in the past.

No, I'm not working on that basis. Stop inventing arguments for me.

 

[BrawlMan]

Seriously, this thread has gone way off topic, and is not even about the original title anymore. All this crap might as well go on the woke or anti-woke thread for all I care. This is the exact reason why I have this guy on ignore. Y'all do whatever the hell you want at this point, but it's a waste of time arguing with this guy and those like him. They're always extending the goal post. It's all they ever do.