George Lucas Says He Sold Star Wars to "White Slavers" - Update
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You know, I'm willing to overlook the whole "white slavers" comment. People say stupid shit sometimes, particularly when they're speaking off the top of the head regarding a subject they're passionate about. No need to pull out the pitchforks every time it happens. I remember making a tasteless Holocaust comparison years ago at an old job when I was venting to a co-worker. It was one of those instances where I knew I fucked up as the words were coming out of my mouth, but it was too late to backpedal. If I were anybody famous I would have endured a veritable shitstorm of outrage.
Hell, I don't even have much of a beef anymore about the prequels. Yes they were lackluster, but they're easy enough to ignore if they aren't your cup of tea. Besides, there were some great products that were inspired by them, such as Republic Commando and the Clone Wars shows.
No, I'm going to reserve my animosity towards Lucas for refusing to release the original versions of the classic trilogy on modern formats. To have such a callous disregard for historical and cultural preservation, particularly when your earlier self argued passionately against such a thing [http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988/], is contemptible.
Hell, I don't even have much of a beef anymore about the prequels. Yes they were lackluster, but they're easy enough to ignore if they aren't your cup of tea. Besides, there were some great products that were inspired by them, such as Republic Commando and the Clone Wars shows.
No, I'm going to reserve my animosity towards Lucas for refusing to release the original versions of the classic trilogy on modern formats. To have such a callous disregard for historical and cultural preservation, particularly when your earlier self argued passionately against such a thing [http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988/], is contemptible.
EyeReaper said:
Oh, c'mon. I thought we were past the furry hate now.
@OP: Nothing else really that needs to be said that everyone else here hasn't already said. You sold Star Wars for 4 bill. Stop crying. Maybe you should start making a new IP however if you really think you know what makes a good movie, Lucas.
i'd love to see him make a new IP, just so people can truly see what a talentless hack he's become.Arnoxthe1 said:EyeReaper said:
Oh, c'mon. I thought we were past the furry hate now.
@OP: Nothing else really that needs to be said that everyone else here hasn't already said. You sold Star Wars for 4 bill. Stop crying. Maybe you should start making a new IP however if you really think you know what makes a good movie, Lucas.
EDIT: I don't hate furries, I just don't get it. if people wanna bang each other in panda suits, have a good time. I just don't understand, well, most fetishes to be honest. and i'd never ask a furry to pet-sit for me.
Like a lot of people have said, He sold it. It's plain and simple, they can do with it what they want. When it comes down to it he was correct about the slavery bit. A pimp rents his goods, while a slaver sells his goods. I've heard the new movie was great, but I haven't watched it. The second trilogy scared me and made me a Star Trek fan. Everyone is saying good things about the movie, and I may watch it one day. I don't think all the hate is needed sure you may hate it, but they have made a lot of money, so you're going to have to suck it up.
As someone who is offended by the stupid changes he made to the original trilogy and the fact I don't think I will the see the original films on TV or at classic cinema again because how much he's tried to hide them, it is kinda sad seeing the man lose his entire legacy and feel completely useless when compared to TFA's popularity.
But he's still a fucking idiot!
But he's still a fucking idiot!
Don't worry George. Remember Anakin's mum was sold to slavers and she ended up giving birth to Force-Jesus.
I actually would too, though I mean that in a non-ironic manner.martyrdrebel27 said:
Chances are it would be sci-fi, fantasy, or sci-fa related, so that's a personal boon given my genre preferences. When you get down to those genres, what was the last (major) fantasy film that wasn't an adaptation of a pre-existing work? Sci-fi seems to have it a bit better there, but even if Lucas produces something akin to, say, Jupiter Ascending, then at least it will be an interesting failure. If Lucas wanted to create a new IP, then I'd be all for it.
Though does Strange Magic count?
Having actually listened to the whole interview (it seems like a lot of people are commenting on it without having done so) I have to agree with George on this one.
I'll start out by saying I am a hardcore star wars fan, have been since I was 5 years old. I believe I am in the minority when I say I thought The Force Awakens was OK to good. It was a great movie by itself but an ok to meh Star Wars movie in my opinion. Hell I actually fell asleep during my 3rd viewing with my GF because it was just nothing new at all, very few new things to look at, to think about, there is very little depth to this movie.
I really think once people leave the honeymoon "omg its not the prequels" phase and start thinking critically about the movie it'll start be clearly what Lucas is talking about.
The biggest point I agree with Lucas about is the utter and sheer lack of imagination put forth by JJ and Disney. There is not a single original thought or storyline or plot point in the entire movie. I knew what was going to happen before it happened with almost every major plot point.
Virtually no context to the new worlds we were introduced to or the state of affairs in the galaxy.
No new ships, very few new aliens and if there were they were on screen for 2 seconds.
NO NEW SHIPS. Wtf how are they're only X wings in the Resistances fleet? Wouldn't you want Y Wings or B Wings for the assault on Death Star number 3?
Sorry ive gone into a rant now, think i'll make a threat about it later.
TL;DR : Lucas sold his baby so its really a moot point but he is soooo right with a lot of things he says in the interview.
I'll start out by saying I am a hardcore star wars fan, have been since I was 5 years old. I believe I am in the minority when I say I thought The Force Awakens was OK to good. It was a great movie by itself but an ok to meh Star Wars movie in my opinion. Hell I actually fell asleep during my 3rd viewing with my GF because it was just nothing new at all, very few new things to look at, to think about, there is very little depth to this movie.
I really think once people leave the honeymoon "omg its not the prequels" phase and start thinking critically about the movie it'll start be clearly what Lucas is talking about.
The biggest point I agree with Lucas about is the utter and sheer lack of imagination put forth by JJ and Disney. There is not a single original thought or storyline or plot point in the entire movie. I knew what was going to happen before it happened with almost every major plot point.
Virtually no context to the new worlds we were introduced to or the state of affairs in the galaxy.
No new ships, very few new aliens and if there were they were on screen for 2 seconds.
NO NEW SHIPS. Wtf how are they're only X wings in the Resistances fleet? Wouldn't you want Y Wings or B Wings for the assault on Death Star number 3?
Sorry ive gone into a rant now, think i'll make a threat about it later.
TL;DR : Lucas sold his baby so its really a moot point but he is soooo right with a lot of things he says in the interview.
In order to enter the running for "most redundant post" I'm going to be repeating what many others have already said, since everyone else already beat me to it.
For starters, I have zero sympathy for him. Unless there was some kind of underhanded coercion to sell the rights (unless I'm missing some news, there wasn't) then why should anyone feel sorry for him? He willingly sold the rights, and for more money than anyone in this thread will ever see in their lifetime. This isn't some small time independent artist who got screwed over by some corporation while trying to make a living, he has plenty of money and experience in the industry, he should have known better and if he cared that much about maintaining some form of creative control then he should have negotiated that beforehand and signed some kind of legal documents.
Secondly, I don't buy into the idea that we should all be nice to him for "giving us Star Wars". Last time I watched any of the Star Wars films I don't remember there being only a single name in the credits. While he can still be credited for a lot of the work on the original Star Wars films, that goodwill is not indefinite, and he has since done well to systematically discard every bit of it.
Thirdly, while there is a certain amount of poignancy to the whole affair, I think the majority of fans are glad he's not involved. While it might not be so good for George (except for the incomprehensibly large stacks of money, or course) that doesn't mean it isn't good for the fans.
That said, I do sometimes wonder what it must be like for people such as George. How would it feel to have had a hand in creating something as large as Star Wars, only to become despised for your later additions? I sometimes wonder how much the creative works actually mean to various high profile people. How much does all that money and success dull the fact that your legacy is better off without you?
For starters, I have zero sympathy for him. Unless there was some kind of underhanded coercion to sell the rights (unless I'm missing some news, there wasn't) then why should anyone feel sorry for him? He willingly sold the rights, and for more money than anyone in this thread will ever see in their lifetime. This isn't some small time independent artist who got screwed over by some corporation while trying to make a living, he has plenty of money and experience in the industry, he should have known better and if he cared that much about maintaining some form of creative control then he should have negotiated that beforehand and signed some kind of legal documents.
Secondly, I don't buy into the idea that we should all be nice to him for "giving us Star Wars". Last time I watched any of the Star Wars films I don't remember there being only a single name in the credits. While he can still be credited for a lot of the work on the original Star Wars films, that goodwill is not indefinite, and he has since done well to systematically discard every bit of it.
Thirdly, while there is a certain amount of poignancy to the whole affair, I think the majority of fans are glad he's not involved. While it might not be so good for George (except for the incomprehensibly large stacks of money, or course) that doesn't mean it isn't good for the fans.
That said, I do sometimes wonder what it must be like for people such as George. How would it feel to have had a hand in creating something as large as Star Wars, only to become despised for your later additions? I sometimes wonder how much the creative works actually mean to various high profile people. How much does all that money and success dull the fact that your legacy is better off without you?
In Disney's defense, they're giving their directors/producers a substantial amount of creative freedom. This is why the MCU has done so well - comic book writers are creating comic book movies. I welcome our mouse-eared overlords.Caramel Frappe said:
Funny thing is it is really true. I used to work at Disney and I know a LOT of people that have. Many of their employees are only a step above slaves. Especially college program employees. They don't care if you only get a few hours of sleep and have to drive a long way to and back to work, how sunburned, tired, overworked.. Nothing. You work unrealistic shifts or you get fired. Call in sick? Your manager just might call you at home to badger you. Seriously. Some people had to sleep in their cars in the parking lot because their shifts were so tightly packed. I even did it once. I was graciously given 3 hours to sleep in my parking in the fucking parking lot.
Currently, they are systematically firing all their experienced IT workers literally hundreds at a time (many of which have multiple decades of loyal service despite harsh workloads and underpayment) to replace them with inexperienced foreign workers with work visas. Which is illegal, as those visas are only supposed to be used to fill gaps that can't be filled otherwise. But fuck the law when you have oceans of money and an army of lawyers and politician in your pocket. The last big wave of firings I was aware of was a few weeks before last Christmas. Yep Christmas is coming up. By the way, you all have two weeks and then you're fired. NO more of a warning than that so they could start looking for other jobs. And during those two weeks you will be TRAINING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPLACING YOU. Just so the people higher up can make more money.
Fuck Disney. FUCK. Disney.
Currently, they are systematically firing all their experienced IT workers literally hundreds at a time (many of which have multiple decades of loyal service despite harsh workloads and underpayment) to replace them with inexperienced foreign workers with work visas. Which is illegal, as those visas are only supposed to be used to fill gaps that can't be filled otherwise. But fuck the law when you have oceans of money and an army of lawyers and politician in your pocket. The last big wave of firings I was aware of was a few weeks before last Christmas. Yep Christmas is coming up. By the way, you all have two weeks and then you're fired. NO more of a warning than that so they could start looking for other jobs. And during those two weeks you will be TRAINING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPLACING YOU. Just so the people higher up can make more money.
Fuck Disney. FUCK. Disney.
The steaming pile of excrement we call Star Wars Episode 7 is nothing but a shameless rip off of the original trilogy. To add insult to injury Disney has turned the Star Wars franchise into a SJW propaganda machine. Aftermath is just a cess-pit of political correctness. Rey doe not come off as believable because she's got God Mode activated throughout the movie and refuses help from any male character. Captain Phasma serves no purpose than to shoe horn in another "strong" female character that does diddly squat. Finn is the token black guy. In the movie white men are relegated to the duties of bad guys, dead guys, or minor characters. Poe Dameron was a far more interesting and likable character than Finn, Rey, or Kylo.TheRightToArmBears said:
Edit: With the terrible plot holes in the story Episode 7 is much worse than the prequels which were very much a product of their time. Early 2000s was CGI heavy which meant bad CGI. There also wasn't a good selection of new talent at the filming of the prequels either.
... the sheer amount of paranoia in calling Episode 7 an "SJW Propaganda Machine" is just so ridiculous. You might not like it... fair enough.. but why does it have to be that Finn's a token black guy or Rey's only strong because vagina? There is just so much projection in your hatred for something that to be honest is a rather inoffensive simple action adventure movie. It's not some brilliant piece of soviet propaganda, settle the hell down.CaptainBill22 said: