George Lucas Says He Sold Star Wars to "White Slavers" - Update

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

...Does anyone really give a fuck?

Yeah, you tried to do something new with every film, and it was awful. After the war crimes that were the prequel films, is it really a surprise that Disney told him to piss off?

To add insult to injury Disney has turned the Star Wars franchise into a SJW propaganda machine.

Going to stop you right there. it's okay you didn't like a movie but using your dislike to push you political agenda is another thing. I've only heard that complaint from "Return Of Kings" and when they said that they were laughed at.

Having characters you don't like doesn't mean SJW propaganda if one of them happens to be black and/or a woman (like the original trilogy).

 

[CaptainBill22]

... the sheer amount of paranoia in calling Episode 7 an "SJW Propaganda Machine" is just so ridiculous. You might not like it... fair enough.. but why does it have to be that Finn's a token black guy or Rey's only strong because vagina? There is just so much projection in your hatred for something that to be honest is a rather inoffensive simple action adventure movie. It's not some brilliant piece of soviet propaganda, settle the hell down.

Paranoia is believing in or thinking something is a conspiracy without anything to substantiate your claims. That said, allow me to kill your counter argument here and now. Jar Jar Abrahms is known for and boasts the fact that what he does is politically correct. Various Feminist and other SJW groups praised the casting for being "diverse" and passing the Bechdel test which so many movies would fail. Disney who also owns Marvel has also gone ahead and replaced formally straight white characters with characters of different backgrounds instead of coming up with a new and original characters. Also have you ever heard of Affirmative Action and the government enforced diversity quotas that come along with it? Yes it does exist and I've been denied work because of it. I've been denied a job saying the position has been filled or I don't meet some arbitrary criteria only to see that they're still advertising job openings for the same position. These are real things going on today.

 

[Rawbeard]

Dear George,

thank you for telling us you never understood what Star Wars was about. Now go back to trolling your rich neighbours.

cincerly,

a random person on the interwebs.

 

[CaptainBill22]

...Does anyone really give a fuck?

Yeah, you tried to do something new with every film, and it was awful. After the war crimes that were the prequel films, is it really a surprise that Disney told him to piss off?

To add insult to injury Disney has turned the Star Wars franchise into a SJW propaganda machine.

Going to stop you right there. it's okay you didn't like a movie but using your dislike to push you political agenda is another thing. I've only heard that complaint from "Return Of Kings" and when they said that they were laughed at.

Having characters you don't like doesn't mean SJW propaganda if one of them happens to be black and/or a woman (like the original trilogy).

I'm not the one making this politics, I'm just the one calling a spade a spade and that political correctness is out of control in movies. If the movie focused on Rey being a main protagonist instead of a co-protagonist with Finn or vice versa it wouldn't be as bad. The original trilogy was a sci-fi version of the Hero's Journey which the audience could readily identify Luke as the main protagonist. The main protagonist must also be flawed and not start off very strong. Episodes 4-6 follows Luke as he grows stronger and stronger until he is able to go toe to toe with Vader. In PC SJW films the main female character NEEDS to be absolutely perfect from the get go. Rey needs no training to use the Force she just does it. She knows more about fixing the Millennium Falcon than Han Solo and Chewie who have owned and maintained the ship longer than she's been alive. She has no formal training in how to fight with a light saber or with the force, yet she kicks the crap out of Kylo Ren who has so many years of training. It would've been a fantastic opportunity for them to have both of them soundly beaten by Ren at the end to demonstrate that they are weak and need training, but since this needs to be PC that is not acceptable for a woman to be beaten by a man. Finn on the other hand is not as bad and could've been a great secondary character, instead he is thrust into a position of being a co-protagonist of course for the sake of diversity. I can definitely see him as a defector, but he knows way too much for a janitor. Finn and Rey both have God mode activated, and are perfect, and the only flawed characters are white men.

 

[RealRT]

...Does anyone really give a fuck?

Yeah, you tried to do something new with every film, and it was awful. After the war crimes that were the prequel films, is it really a surprise that Disney told him to piss off?

>comparing a bunch of sci-fi movies to war crimes

Do I really need to explain why I hate OT fanboys?

 

[LazyAza]

Ironic that a man who has made incredibly racist statements in the past would refer to a company like disney as being like that.

And he hates the retro look? fucking hell like the prequels looked better? almost everything in the prequels was an ugly over designed stupid looking mess. The best thing to ever happen to star wars was Lucas getting the boot.

This is a man who walked in to the studio working on the canceled (but amazing looking) Darth Maul game, ignored the devs, walked up to two action figures, pushed them together and said look they're friends, make that happen in the game. And one of said figures was a character who is a literal enemy of Darth Maul that would want nothing more than to kill him. And Lucas' response was basically to give the middle finger to this established aspect of the characters.

The man can't walk 5 feet in his own franchise without potentially fucking something up. The only reason the original movies were as good as they were was because he had other people telling him no and calling him out on his stupid bullshit.

Thank god he isn't involved anymore, thank fucking god.

 

[jklinders]

So if Disney are "White Slavers" and the Star Wars franchise are Lucas' children, exactly what does that make the Lucas who sold his children to "White Slavers?"

Hyperbole aside, let's get a little more serious. I enjoyed the movie quite a bit but I will not ignore that it is nearly a shot for shot rehash of Episode 4. Only real difference is that the cantina scene happened a little later and was a little more important.

I actually regret that Han had so much screen time as it took away opportunities to give Rey and Finn a bit more character development which I think was needed. As it stands they are both a little flat.

Even so, that is about all the good I can say for Lucas' criticisms. You want to innovate for innovation's sake, great, but you will likely get a hashed together mess. Innovation comes as a child of need to overcome an obstacle. If you try to force the issue you will likely end up with something that doesn't feel like it belongs. Then it looks messy, then people start to nitpick which is a big reason for the revulsion towards the prequels.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

I'm not the one making this politics, I'm just the one calling a spade a spade and that political correctness is out of control in movies. If the movie focused on Rey being a main protagonist instead of a co-protagonist with Finn or vice versa it wouldn't be as bad. The original trilogy was a sci-fi version of the Hero's Journey which the audience could readily identify Luke as the main protagonist. The main protagonist must also be flawed and not start off very strong. Episodes 4-6 follows Luke as he grows stronger and stronger until he is able to go toe to toe with Vader. In PC SJW films the main female character NEEDS to be absolutely perfect from the get go. Rey needs no training to use the Force she just does it. She knows more about fixing the Millennium Falcon than Han Solo and Chewie who have owned and maintained the ship longer than she's been alive. She has no formal training in how to fight with a light saber or with the force, yet she kicks the crap out of Kylo Ren who has so many years of training. It would've been a fantastic opportunity for them to have both of them soundly beaten by Ren at the end to demonstrate that they are weak and need training, but since this needs to be PC that is not acceptable for a woman to be beaten by a man. Finn on the other hand is not as bad and could've been a great secondary character, instead he is thrust into a position of being a co-protagonist of course for the sake of diversity. I can definitely see him as a defector, but he knows way too much for a janitor. Finn and Rey both have God mode activated, and are perfect, and the only flawed characters are white men.

first of all you spoiled the movie for me the thanks a lot. (which I've read up on since you already ruined it for me)

second of all from what I've read fin was a storm trooper (aka Nazi in space) and is trying to make amends and Rey kind of has abandonment issues and doesn't want to be involved and doesn't care that the new order is doing at the beginning so them being perfect human being is kind of throw out the window.

third the spoiler stuff

Spoiler

the reason she was able to fix the ship is because she's a mechanic and I think driving and fixing a car are two different things. they were was able to beat Kylo Ren is because at that point he was mentally and physically messed up. her being able to use her force powers isn't any less ridiculous than Luke destroying the death Star when he first used it

Also there's a discussion that Star Wars is a sjw film already happening here
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.932176-Return-Of-Kings-celebrate-making-The-Force-Awakens-lose-4-2-mil?page=1

 

[Dalisclock]

So if Disney are "White Slavers" and the Star Wars franchise are Lucas' children, exactly what does that make the Lucas who sold his children to "White Slavers?"

Booker DeWitt?

Does this mean he's gonna star in a Bioshock Infinite movie(since he already kinda looks like Comstock)?

OT, I don't really give much of a crap what Lucas says. He's only made 2 good SW movies and it's not like ANH was terribly creative to begin with. The entire Finale of Ep 4 is ripped from a couple somewhat Obscure WW2 movies, and the main plot owes not a little to Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress.

That's before even going into the fact that Jedi was ruined by Ewoks causing the downfall of the Empire(or at least greatly contributing to their defeat), "Greedo Shot first"(no he didn't, Georgie), and Ep 1-3, the best of which could be charitably described as "not shit".

I have no love for Disney, but Georgie had plenty of time to mess around with the franchise, mostly failed to do anything particularly good with it and then sold it to a butt ton of money. So I don't have much sympathy for the man.

 

[chikusho]

If the Star Wars movies are his kids... Is he an abusive parent? Instead of complaining about the wreck he made of episode 1 through 3, maybe we should have just called social services...

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

...Does anyone really give a fuck?

Yeah, you tried to do something new with every film, and it was awful. After the war crimes that were the prequel films, is it really a surprise that Disney told him to piss off?

I'd take a spectacular mess rather than the bland mess that was the new movie, serving only to exist so as to set up the sequels and as a marketing exercise.

As much hate as Lucas rightfully deserves, the primary draw of the original Star Wars was that it presented otherwordly stories to a humongous amount of people. It came in, immediately revived the Hollywood Blockbuster and solidified sci fi in popular culture by using age old storytelling techniques but with spectacular imagination, world building and VFX.

The new one just apes that and is basically just nostalgia bait. I hope that VIII turns out better and has more originality and less fucking around.

 

[Somebloke]

So if Disney are "White Slavers" and the Star Wars franchise are Lucas' children, exactly what does that make the Lucas who sold his children to "White Slavers?"
...

I just now watched the clip in the article, and as far as I can tell; That was his entire point. -He did not accuse Disney of being white slavers; He made a self-deprecating joke about how the selling makes him a bad parent, with "white slavers" there to make the deed more severe -- the assigning of the epitath to the particular buyer, is all the work of the viewer.

As an aside: Here lies the actual issue, that the Escapist staff resolutely swept under the rug, when they defended click-bait article titles recently, instead going on and on about their financial motives, and all the other kids also doing it.

Issue is that these titles go out of their way to be misleading, and that people will read only the title, take it at face value, and form strong opinions without the real context, as evidenced by every comments section to an article ever -- even when we do read, we do so primed with a prejudice that colours the reading.

 

[stormtrooper9091]

So, outrageous sensationalist clickbait title. And then an update saying it didn't really happen like that. Wow Escapist, just wow

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Wow there's a lot of hate for George Lucas. Yes the "white slavers" comment was inappropriate, but I can kinda understand how he feels. It must be hard to watch something you put so much time and effort into in the hands of someone else and not being able to contribute.

Besides you have to admit, as awesome as it was (and it was awesome), TFA was almost a point-for-point retread of A New Hope. Reluctant hero(s), droid with important info that everyone's chasing, doomsday weapon, death of mentor figure etc.

 

[EyeReaper]

I would have at least went with "White Privileged Neo-Nazi Cishetero slaving rape apologist rebuplican gamergating jewish bro patriarch furries

Oh, c'mon. I thought we were past the furry hate now.

@OP: Nothing else really that needs to be said that everyone else here hasn't already said. You sold Star Wars for 4 bill. Stop crying. Maybe you should start making a new IP however if you really think you know what makes a good movie, Lucas.

It's not hating to point out the face of their company is an anthro mouse.

besides, Some of my best friends are furry. I'm pretty sure that makes it ok.

 

[Naldan]

German online magazine "Der Spiegel" translated white slavers with "Maedchenhaendler". Maedchenhaendler means girl traders, people who trade/sell girls. Not even adult women. How did this happen? And I took it. In fact, this was the reason I gave them a click on the headline. Mofos.

Thanks to you, I know now that they were full of crap.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

While I think I can see what George was aiming at with an ill advised choice of words (although castigating Disney for "pimping" a franchise he sold out almost from the moment it gained popular mass is hilariously hypocritical), I'm genuinely getting tired of hearing the man speak. He's an idiosyncratic, embittered hack who has developed a propensity at lashing out at everything and everyone who does not embrace the fruits of his incompetent endeavors, rather than sparing a moment for self-reflection or humility. He's also appeared to develop a touch of Ridley Scott disease, lionizing his past accomplishments and completely overlooking the fact he had a team of competent professionals "creating" Star Wars alongside him. This is the man who wanted to make Han Solo a frog-faced alien (later realized with the Gungans) or C3PO a used car salesman (later realized with Watto). The man's "creativity" gets praised a lot, but frankly it's not particularly challenging or laudable to create garbage.

As to questions of Disney's new film being "safe", of course it was. That's what happens when you poison pill your own franchise by releasing six hours of garbage and then yelling at fans for not appreciating it. "People don't understand how funny Jar Jar Binks is, he's the key to all of this".

I gave the guy full credit for finally realizing it was time for him to step down, but alas it comes apparent that he was anticipating the new steward of Star Wars to fumble the ball. His petulant sniping does not do him credit. Just enjoy your retirement George. You got lucky and caught the crest of a pop culture zeitgest, and rode it to fame and fortune...much of which was quite possibly undeserved. Quit while you're ahead.

 

[Pinkilicious]

Well he's not wrong. Force Awakens was a feature length theme-park ad.

Nebulon-Black Pearl manned by Capn Jack Shreebird when

And Kylo gets thumped by Ragetti and Pintel wielding deckbrushes. And you thought losing to Rey and Fin was embarrassing!