Monoochrom said:
pulse2 said:
Monoochrom said:
pulse2 said:
I do feel sorry for her, and while she might have had an interesting opinion in regards to immigration it all just came out as pointless jabber.
2 things.
1. Where did you get the idea that she might have a interesting opinion? Surely not out of that incoherent rambling in the video.
2. How are you any better if you are stereotyping aswell.
You fail.
There's a little more to my stereotype then you might believe and based on her behavior and rant my stereotype isn't far from the truth. Its very difficult to say that all blacks eat chicken for example, as I know quite a few who are vegetarian, but I called her a chav, why? Because she swears in front of children and has little regard for who might be listening, she has little or no idea of what she is talking about considering nicafriga is neither a country or race.
The term "chav" doesn't have to refer to ones clothes, hobbies, tastes etc, those are baseless stereotypes, but one's behavior at that moment can be assessed. The 'typical' chav hurls insults, shouts and behaves inappropriately in public places and there's more, but I'm sure you can look up the word if you really cared enough.
Its no different from calling her a hooligan, antisocial, a public disturbance because the way in which she behaved at THAT time demonstrated all of these.
You say I fail, but unless you can prove to me I'm wrong, you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
Chav? Who said anything about Chav? I'm refering to claiming her to be illiterate in the Threadtitel. As you know this commonly refers to someone a lack of education in general, however, and more importantly, it suggests that the person cannot read or write.
So, in other words, because she was rude on the Tram, while I personally don't see if there was any action that caused this reaction from her, you just decided that makes her too stupid to read or write.
Also, no, I don't have to disprove you, you made a blind statement without actually knowing the person, not me, so I would suggest you go hold up a piece of paper and ask her to read it while filming her. Sure, she might be ignorant or racist, that however doesn't necessarily make her stupid. Saying something like Nigafrica (thats what I understood) also means practically nothing in that regard, she is obviously flustered.
Therefore, I hold my ground, you are also being ignorant and have for that reason failed.
I think you are simply looking at the word illiterate from a very strong literate point of view, like you said yourself, illiterate means the inability to read or write, but it also denotes lack of education, lack of ability to use and / or process information and construct it into something meaningful.
A person who has read, researched and listened to constructive judgement would have been able to sustain a far better argument then she did. I'm not talking about her writing ability in particular but quite often your writing is impacted by what you read and how well you can read, this all comes out in what you say and how you say it. I can tell someone is well educated by their ability to construct decent understandable sentences, hold an argument that may not be to everyone's tastes but at least has a point or is what we call an "opinion". That doesn't mean that all those who can speak well make the greatest writers, but writing is very much dependent on basic literary skills. I should know, I write, I have writer friends, I enter writing competitions and meet other writers, they may not all be GREAT at what they do, but they ALL read and it always comes out in the way they speak, not their accent or their personal slang, those are different things entirely and don't define a person's intellect, but their "knowledge", because as you know, knowledge is power.
Her "opinion" consists of mostly swearing (which she does VERY well throughout that video), melodrama, and talking nonsense, yes immigration is a problem, but its pretty obvious she has no idea what she is talking about which only makes her look stupid, had she read more, she would have discovered quite an array of information to back up her radical claim. Further reading would have revealed more information about immigration that includes even herself and her ancestors.
If you make a stupid claim without "knowing" what you are talking about people WILL believe you were too foolish to do more research aka "READING". Its not that she "can't" read, its that she "didn't" read, and considering that illiteracy has been the biggest issue here in Britain over the last few months, with radical reforms within the educational sector said to be on the way, it's no surprise that the first word people will relate her to is illiteracy, not because all illiterate people "can't" read, some are more than capable of doing so, its that they "don't want to" read, you only have to listen to some of the reasons rioters had for burning down shops, their radical comments which came off as rants revealed that they were illiterate, not by me, but by the government. Learning is free, computers are everywhere, books are everywhere, we are hardly living in a deprived country, even the poorest people here have access to free information across the internet, even if they have no computer at home. Furthermore, had she actually been poor her rant would have had even lesser value.
Flustered? No, simply stupid. She's only flustered because she started an argument which she didn't need to start in the first place and then didn't even have the basic mental capacity or relevant proof to back up her abuse, instead of arguing her case, she just told people to "fuck off", fuck off isn't constructive criticism or relevant information, its just abuse, abuse that wasn't needed because no one had abused her yet, they just kindly asked her to stop using foul language in front of children. Maybe she was drunk, maybe she was simply fed up with blackies and brownies, whatever the reason, it didn't make her seem more intelligent, nor did it give off the vibe that she had done any research whatsoever.
So no, I haven't "failed", whatever that means, even if you don't agree with my use of the word, because you've just proven that you have the intellect to be able to argue with me and have even done your research enough to be able to tell me your interpretation of the word "illiterate", which all in all is a farscape from what she did.